NOOOOOOOOOO.

good players need to stop cheating PLEASE. was looking forward to f91 as a chinese zerg threatening top foreigners, then hes out. was impressed by advokate's rise, really rooted for him with most everybody else, then hes out. even scan as a stremer i had some hopes for, but people had been pointing that out so i guess that wasnt as bad.

but yosh. ugh.

WHY????????? all of them screwed themselves out of a chance at big money and respect, instead basically losing it in the community's eyes. AND, despite their cheating i think we can all agree they were all solid players and by cheating they also are knocking down the potential quality of this tournament.

sigh.

blue_arrow

1971 Posts

December 13 2009 06:23 GMT

#107

I say the abuse all boils down to a lack of respect for SC as a professional competition, and a lack of respect for e-Sports in general.

I'm willing to bet that the same people, were they to be playing professional/near-professional soccer or football etc., would've never considered using performance-enhancement drugs; even if they were, it would be out of the utter respect for the sport and a desperation to win in something that they respect so much. This is not the case for SC, as I doubt anybody but Jaedong/the most devoted pros are true SC fanatics. These abusers' lack of respect for SC is also reflected in their poorly thought-out methods of abuse; they didn't even care enough to think of/research a plan that wasn't so dumb and that would've worked.

LorDo

Sweden485 Posts

December 13 2009 06:23 GMT

#108

On December 13 2009 15:15 Incanus wrote:
Oh shit, this guy probably played a game against someone who didn't even make the top 48 on a smurf account, let's burn him with the hackers.

Hmm, on the smurf account he BEAT:

datoby twice, would have qualified without those losses.

White-Ra four times

Octzerg, Mana and a bunch of other TSLers.

Maybe you should look into shit before making stupid assumptions.

Amnesia

United States3818 Posts

December 13 2009 06:23 GMT

#109

wow for fucks sake yosh is the last person on this ladder i wanted to see not play.
great.

wow.

fuck this.

HwangjaeTerran

Finland5967 Posts

December 13 2009 06:24 GMT

#110

1350 players taking part in TSL2, even if you are skilled enough to get top 5 it does not mean you can break the rules to get there just to save time. It doesnt matter if the cheating happens during D-rank or when you are already nr.2 you are still screwing all of the valid players even the ones below 1000 points and who have no chance of ever making it to top 48. Even if the price pool was a hundred times bigger resorting to such action is just low. Is it okay to steal the bank because there´s just a shitload of money?

The proof of these guys cheating is quite clear, I don´t see why anyone should defend them other than themselves. Saying it´s okay because the cheater didn´t really get much out of it is like saying it´s okay to Usain Bolt to take all the hormones in the world because he would probably win the race anyway.

I take my hat off for those who were clinging near the 48th place for what seemed forever and not once thought of cheating especially for those who didn´t make it, that´s the true winners mentality.

GreEny K

Germany7312 Posts

December 13 2009 06:24 GMT

#111

Wasn't expecting this from Yosh, dont really give a fuck about the other two. Don't know who the hell they are.

lac29

United States1485 Posts

December 13 2009 06:25 GMT

#112

I really hope these cheaters are banned from all future TSL events. That would make a big difference in discouraging future cheating. Then players will really think about again trying to cheat in a TSL event.

violett

Germany143 Posts

December 13 2009 06:25 GMT

#113

thx for the effort of the tsl admins and iccup staff.

i dont understand how the players would think that its so easy to abuse, iccup logs every ip of every single game more than 3 years now, due to over 100 ex-iccup-admins on iccup everyone knows that.
also the transfer before playing is even more suspicious to look over.

meeple

Canada10211 Posts

December 13 2009 06:26 GMT

#114

So what happens now to the people that Yosh smurfed? If he won, does that player still lose points?

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

December 13 2009 06:28 GMT

#115

It is great to see this level of enforcement from the TSL organizers and TL.net staff. I was looking forward to seeing some of these players in action over the course of the TSL event, but players must be held accountable for the rules, and all the punishments (disqualification) have been appropriate.

wswordsmen

United States987 Posts

December 13 2009 06:33 GMT

#116

I just thought of something. Last time at least players had to submit official rep packs for examination, what were these abusers planning on doing to avoid being exposed by that. I think TL's staff would notice an abuse win replay.

Athos

United States2484 Posts

December 13 2009 06:35 GMT

#117

Earlier I felt sorry for F91 and even tried to defend him, but now that I see how rampant cheating is the foreigner scene I am completely disgusted. Props to TL for having such a strict punishment for cheating. God this is sad. T_T

meeple

Canada10211 Posts

December 13 2009 06:40 GMT

#118

On December 13 2009 15:33 wswordsmen wrote:
I just thought of something. Last time at least players had to submit official rep packs for examination, what were these abusers planning on doing to avoid being exposed by that. I think TL's staff would notice an abuse win replay.

I don't think they watch every single replay... regardless I'm sure they played games that wouldn't be incredibly noticeable, just a normal game that has a predetermined result. Its much easier to look at IPs and stats transfers

blue_arrow

1971 Posts

December 13 2009 06:41 GMT

#119

theyll still probably randomly sample a couple reps from each player and perhaps check out all the suspicious-looking reps as well

i hope they check out all the least-suspicious looking ones too just cuz it's prudent