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Poll: top48 qualify pts will be?
(Vote): B-
(Vote): B
(Vote): B+
(Vote): A-
(Vote): 9500~
(Vote): 10000~
(Vote): A or above
alright so the first day of ladder in TSL is practically over
the ladder will be for about 3 weeks if ive understood it correctly
however a fun thing i like to do with my friends in leagues like this (ASL, TSL etc) is to guess what the player on place #48 will have as rank
personally i think its gonna be A- or somewhere near there, what do u think? 
Poll: what rank will be #1?
(Vote): A-
(Vote): halfway to A
(Vote): A
(Vote): halfway to A+
(Vote): A+
(Vote): Olympic
On November 22 2009 10:23 Liquid`NonY wrote:
what's it going to take to get first?
i think A rank, somewhere there xD
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I think B+ or B, this year it's going to be deadly.
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United States10774 Posts
voted b+.
will be somewhere aroudn b+/a-
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51593 Posts
at least a-, with that much money on the line you are definitely going to see players mass gaming like mad.
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
over 9000!!
which I believe means A-
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Braavos36399 Posts
I think it'll be a higher point than last time, so A-
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Trinidad/Tobago1177 Posts
A- for sure. Alot of foreigners can get to this if they dodge wisely LOL
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Dominican Republic825 Posts
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it was a- ish last season I dont know why it wouldnt be this time...
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I voted B+ but I now think that A- is possible because Lzgamer hit it like 20,000 times on his stream. I guess people can just stop playing when they hit it.
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Be realistic. Kwark/Mana are B already and it hasn't even been 24 hours or something. Gonna be way over B+ :O
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DAMN IT my max rank is only C+  looks like i wont win
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8751 Posts
what's it going to take to get first?
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On November 22 2009 09:31 3 Lions wrote:
over 9000!!
which I believe means A-
rofl nice :D
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I just want one person to get A :D
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there are currently 108 b+ non-Koreans on the ICCUP ladder + many more players capable of reaching that rank that are inactive or other players playing under a Korean flag and many other players just shy of reaching B+. you throw money on the line and its IMPOSSIBLE that the top 48 is not at least B+. I say B+ 8800 points or so for #48 with 40 A- players
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Hm i voted B+ but after thinking about it I have to go with A-, too.
With dodging good players and things like that there should be some more people that are able to get to A-. I guess they would stop playing then, but could get there.
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1st poll: B
2nd one: A
I may be wrong for the former though. We'll see.
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half way to A+ is B- soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo not that one for the person coming first
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Well considering there are quite a few A- players and a few A players participating in this TSL I'm thinking that the first place person will be ranked A.
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I hope that number 1 gets to A+, but its probably gonna be A
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A+ is maybe possible for ret or idra..
but I guess nr.1 will be a HIGH A
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Norway28794 Posts
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only at A- you lose 140 points. So anyone can just stop playing at A-.
With TSL it was already B+. But at A- you lose more points so you can't get to A. You can just massgame to A-. Just find a group of B guys and all massgame vs each other. Stop when you get to A-. With each game played they will get more net points.
If you have like 25 guys that are all of similar level and they mass game vs each other, most of them will get to A- regardless of how bad they are. Of course there's a rule against playing vs each other too much. So it helps if you can just crush any player of B- or lower. But if you can you can mass game vs each other.
To get to A your opponents need to lose points. You can get 1 guy to A if you collect enough points at A- or B+. But then they will have to drop to B so the A- guy can get to A.
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It's going to be all green and gold this season. Blue ranks just ain't gonna cut it.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
I think the top 16 will easily clear the A's.
Very likely the top 32 will make it as well.
I think even the final 4-6 slots will be on the high B+ end of things.
I'd be very excited if the leader cleared A+. I'd suspect only IdrA could do that, ret's ZvZ will keep him from being quite that high.
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51593 Posts
for reference, last tsl;
top 48 cutoff at b+ (aprox 8400 points)
top 20 were all a-
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Going to agree with low A- being the most likely cutoff point. As for #1, that really depends on the how much people like Ret or Idra care about getting #1, but I'd guess somewhere high A.
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When there's tons of foreigners that have reached A- you only need to be an above average top foreigner to make A. It all depends on dodging progamers and about how many games total are played.
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Norway28794 Posts
you guys need to realize that while its possible to massgame and get to a- through just playing eachother, this does not work with going from a- to a. you need to win more than 50% of your games to even maintain your a- rank and it's not possible for a bunch of foreigners to get a- and then automatically get a just through playing more.
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its true.. so true..
actually going from D to A- in 2 or 3 days like Idra did it is much easier ( its still hard yes.. ) than going from B+/A- to solid A in 2 weeks..
Basicaly.. we will see many A-'s in a few days and then things wont change dramatically.. people who give themselves an edge will keep on playing ( ret, whitera,idra ) and try to get 1 or at least into the top 12 and the rest will try to stay in top 48 or better..
+ the fact that suddenly all the A-'s except kors u can play against are TSL guys makes it even harder and even more dangerous to keep on playing with A- because it gives the winner an even huger boost and the loser gets down even quicker..
Eri has a point there..
So i guess top 48 will be mainly A- but then their will be huge dodgefests and only the top 10 ( or even less... probably mondi, ret, idra, kolll, white ra , Sen ) might get close to A or might go above 10.000 and not stay between 9.000 and 10.000.. depending on how much time they have and how hard they try of course
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Yeah above A- it will be about dodging. If all TSL A- accounts played each other then for every person getting to A, 8 to 10 will drop back to B+. So for a top 48 of A players you need maybe 400-450 A- players. And of course these A- players know which ones of them will be able to go towards A. So why will they risk playing them? Of course Idra will gladly play any other A- because he knows he needs to win 55% or more to gain points.
There will probably be somewhere between 50 and 100 A- players. So that means between 5 and 10 A players. That also means probably no A+ player. Maybe Idra could do it. He would have a good enough win percentage vs those A players. But they will dodge him probably.
But anyway, there are progamers there and they will take away a lot of points from the top ranks.
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Norway28794 Posts
you can't really dodge above a- because nobody bad is at a-. if they are "bad" compared to other a-, they fall down to b+ every game they play on a-, so you only get 1 game from them. I know this is what has happened to me this season, I've moved between b+ and a- like 15 times already. getting out of b+ to a- has been pretty easy, stabilizing myself above 9200 is something I have not been able to do. ive also been seeking out A koreans with the best stats possible and maybe if I tried to handpick b+ nonkoreans with 150-130 stats i'd be able to do it, but it's really not easy.
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Of course you can dodge. If you have no reason to believe your odds to win are like 60% it's better not to play at all.
Of course this will change when there are more than 48 A- accounts. Then they will need a win or two at A-. So they will need to take risks. If they win 40% at A- then on average after 6 or so tries they will get the 2 wins at A- they need.
If there are 500 people on the ladder in the B ranks that keep mass gaming until the last day then these games create a lot of points for the people at A- to feed on. If people at B level give up when they see everyone being A- after a week, then it will be more difficult to reach A.
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Norway28794 Posts
you need 1500 points from a- to a
thats 12 straight wins vs other a-, or if you win 60% of your games vs other a- (which is very good - people will have to play either vs other tsl players or vs a- koreans), it's more than 90 games.
thinking a large portion of foreigners are going to play 90 a- games in two weeks is ridiculous, or even 50 if they have a significantly higher win ratio..
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I think the minimum will be A-, just because of how late in the season it is... but I also think if you get A- you can probably just stop laddering.
Anyone significantly higher than A- is probably gonna get maybe 5-10 people, or abusers =P
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I think when you get 9200 points you are guaranteed top48. You can stop playing that moment.
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Drone is completely right, the gap between A- and A is about 20 times as large as that between B+ and A-. I can't possibly imagine any TSL player reaching A without playing all their games vs B+ guys with bad records. The top 48 is just going to be a huge traffic jam between 9000 and 9300 unless people seek out bad record opponents for every game.
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On November 24 2009 04:10 city42 wrote:
Drone is completely right, the gap between A- and A is about 20 times as large as that between B+ and A-. I can't possibly imagine any TSL player reaching A without playing all their games vs B+ guys with bad records. The top 48 is just going to be a huge traffic jam between 9000 and 9300 unless people seek out bad record opponents for every game.
which they will
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which is nothing u can blame them for when money is on the line..
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Pretty much everyone in top 48 will be A- with maybe 1 or 2 hitting A, and possibly a few B+s. I think most players will get there A- then stop playing.
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I think there will be maybe 10 B+'s, guys playing to win the TSL, but end up slipping down out of A-. The fact that there are others like them will lead them to keep at it and38-48 will be filled with die hards just under par.
Then we'll have the majority of the other players. Sitting on A-, taking some tough games off of those B+ players in the TSL, and hoping to not get overtaken.
The true gosu of the foreign scene will obtain an A rank I think.
The guys who are set on placing first.
I think the best bets for those ranks are Idra, Ret, and White-Ra, if they have the time.
I may be 100% wrong in all things, I just think it is going to be a fierce competition.
Anything could happen.
Top 48 could be decided in the last minutes.
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it'll be A-, then we'll have some crazy high level foreigner games
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I'm with Jeddus on the "who will make it at the end" -part. In my opinion the TSL admins will have to be incredibly strict with the time TSL ladder is closed. Those bottom spots are going to shift ALOT in the last hour(s).
Now There is bound to be B+ players in the top 48. I'm sorry I just don't see 48 A- foreigners :p And even thou I don't know if we will have an A player in the ladder I certainly hope we will see one.
I find myself rooting for IdrA to get the highest rank on the ladder stage. I think that if he really puts his heart and time into it he can get A. But then again I'm a dreamer (and a bit of a romantic too).
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nulung is the only semi-foreigner i've seen get to A so far this season (and just barely)... I'd be impressed if we saw even 1 or 2 A's at the end of this. I also think B+ will be the cut-off, regardless of what last season was.
/prediction
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Incredible stats by MaNa.
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nong would have gone A me thinks
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b+
and a
...if you were first in the ladder what kind of price will u be getting?
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#1 has the advantage to have the best chances of all to qualify for the main event.. u dont get any ''price'' for being #1 on the ladder..
its all about getting better chances to qualify for the main event..
I guess A- is what u need for top 32 possibly even for top 48.. T_T
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Since there are already people acheiving A- ranks this early I would say you will need at least a 9000 rating or above to qualify.
That and everyone will be mostly dodging koreans anyway
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holy fuck idra is good
almost A rank after only this long, and playing almost only koreans, crazy
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i highly doubt that..
T_T
Top 50 A- okey.. but never top 100..
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It depends on how they dodge the koreans. Without dodging they will barely get higher than A-. If they only play inter-foreigners games they can reach A easily, Glaucus explained it very well on the previous page.
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top player will be A
top 12 will be A-
top 48 will be B+
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Im pretty sure there will be more than 12 A-'s ..
T_T
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On November 25 2009 07:16 s.a.y wrote:
top player will be A
top 12 will be A-
top 48 will be B+
Yea wtf? There's no way only 12 people will hit A- ...
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that doesnt mean that only 12 will be A-, just that there wont be 48 A-'s
there could be 47 A-'s and 1 b+ and b+ would still be the cutoff for top 48
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if players continue playing like this there will be 100 A- im pretty sure
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On November 25 2009 15:39 Tarmak_mk wrote:
if players continue playing like this there will be 100 A- im pretty sure
I don't think there are really one hundred foreigner's that can hit A-, at least not without the Chinese involved.
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hmmm dont know but A- 9000 and A- 9500 not same, half will be 9200++ other 9000...thats my opinion
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On November 25 2009 16:23 Tarmak_mk wrote:
hmmm dont know but A- 9000 and A- 9500 not same, half will be 9200++ other 9000...thats my opinion
it might happen.
guess we will have to wait until the 10th December when all the players will push for top 12.
top 48 A- cutoff might also happen, the current level is 6500 (B) and has risen for 300 points in two days.
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Now its rather clear it ll be A- O_O
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this just proves that foreigners are too capable of getting really high ranks, they are just lazy to play many games. IdrA is 73# overall so that bullshit where top 200 were only koreans it was because they actually have a reason to play many games, while foreigners rarely get a reason like TSL to play so much
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Currently 18 players on the ladder who are or were A- at some point during this last week.
On November 30 2009 07:23 HazMat wrote:
Idra A+ soon...
See:
On November 30 2009 00:03 IdrA wrote:
im not gonna play anymore unless it looks like someones capable of catching me
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A- top 48 cut off , trust me ! ( !!! )
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United States43971 Posts
If I can dodge my way to A- about 150 top foreigners can. It won't be enough.
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On November 30 2009 05:10 Art.FeeL wrote:
this just proves that foreigners are too capable of getting really high ranks, they are just lazy to play many games. IdrA is 73# overall so that bullshit where top 200 were only koreans it was because they actually have a reason to play many games, while foreigners rarely get a reason like TSL to play so much
This is wrong. TSL is inflating the ranks. Good luck finding 200 foreigners at B+ to play vs if TSL isn't running.
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United States43971 Posts
Revised estimate, 10k to qualify.
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On December 03 2009 01:56 BalloonFight wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2009 05:10 Art.FeeL wrote:
this just proves that foreigners are too capable of getting really high ranks, they are just lazy to play many games. IdrA is 73# overall so that bullshit where top 200 were only koreans it was because they actually have a reason to play many games, while foreigners rarely get a reason like TSL to play so much This is wrong. TSL is inflating the ranks. Good luck finding 200 foreigners at B+ to play vs if TSL isn't running.
Yup, some pretty mediocre players are going to qualify as this ;o
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On December 04 2009 04:02 KwarK wrote:
Revised estimate, 10k to qualify.
Playing 100 D ranks is looking more and more tempting...
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On December 03 2009 01:56 BalloonFight wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2009 05:10 Art.FeeL wrote:
this just proves that foreigners are too capable of getting really high ranks, they are just lazy to play many games. IdrA is 73# overall so that bullshit where top 200 were only koreans it was because they actually have a reason to play many games, while foreigners rarely get a reason like TSL to play so much This is wrong. TSL is inflating the ranks. Good luck finding 200 foreigners at B+ to play vs if TSL isn't running.
But that is his point.
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On December 04 2009 11:02 Mastermind wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2009 01:56 BalloonFight wrote:On November 30 2009 05:10 Art.FeeL wrote:
this just proves that foreigners are too capable of getting really high ranks, they are just lazy to play many games. IdrA is 73# overall so that bullshit where top 200 were only koreans it was because they actually have a reason to play many games, while foreigners rarely get a reason like TSL to play so much This is wrong. TSL is inflating the ranks. Good luck finding 200 foreigners at B+ to play vs if TSL isn't running. But that is his point.
If this number of foreigners playing were the consistent norm then A- would no longer be considered a "high" rank and difficult for foreigners to attain. Therefore it is not his point. If you mean it proves his point that foreigners are lazy and don't play without a cash prize, then yes it does. But the effect preexists the cause.
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there should be a rule that a- players can play only vs a-
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On December 04 2009 22:38 Makin wrote:
there should be a rule that a- players can play only vs a-
No, there's simply not enough A- players. For the D and C ranks however. ~~
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the only reason im capable of getting A rank here is because of TSL. it it wasnt going it there wouldnt be enough foreigners to play and we both know the koreans on A- is still too hard for everybody but ret and idra and maybe a few few more
and let me tell you another thing, playing a A- vs B+ both foreigners is almost just as hard as A- vs A-. the level is almost the same trust me. u can see in my match list i lose more vs b+ than a-, coincidence? maybe, but i dont believe so
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It's obvious that with TSL it became a bit easier for top foreigner to achieve high ranks. But this mostly is because many people are trying to climb the ladder - because of TSL.
This does also indicate that foreigners could always reach high ranks if enough foreigners were actually trying. If suddenly for no special reason 100s of strong foreigners were mass laddering, they would still be able to achieve similar ranks as they can with TSL because it creates the same scenario.
If a single foreigner starts mass laddering, he will have trouble with the higher ranks, though.
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I think that this abusing is pretty sweet. Hoping to hit C by the end of this tournament, and then i prob. will be able to get some games from the top contenders. Sure - they wont get alot of points, but in the last few days i expect players to be really careful...And im a instant-win !
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On December 05 2009 03:15 Skeggaba wrote:
I think that this abusing is pretty sweet. Hoping to hit C by the end of this tournament, and then i prob. will be able to get some games from the top contenders. Sure - they wont get alot of points, but in the last few days i expect players to be really careful...And im a instant-win !
A- wont play D+... Its just too risky... consider how many point they get if they win and lose... they have to go like 90%+... and you can expect cheese almost every game and a 4 pool isnt much better at a A level than D+...
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It will definately be A- and some A's in the top. My B/B+ was so wrong. >__<
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Idra at #32 overall? A+ level? Jesus.
What a beast.
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Right now there are more A- than there are spots!! Holy freaking crap!
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Idra at A+ .... as a terran that is fucking insane.
Congrats!
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On December 09 2009 16:03 AttackZerg wrote:
Idra at A+ .... as a terran that is fucking insane.
Congrats!
Playing mostly Koreans nonetheless. Beastly shit.
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Idra A+ ; o Fucking insane.
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it's going to be between 9500-10000
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EPT
