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This thread is for discussing recent bans. Don't discuss other topics here. Take it to website feedback if you disagree with a ban or want to raise an issue. Keep it civil. NOTE: For those of you who want to find the actual ABL thread where the bans are posted. Please look in here: https://tl.net/forum/closed-threads/ | ||
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
On June 28 2010 22:27 Sadistx wrote: There is http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=azz But I doubt he'll ever get banned with that posting speed  Most bans seem to come before 5 posts, so it could happen. | ||
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
I play starcraft with lazz. He's actually a really nice guy. But I have only read a handful of his posts here recently and telling the OP in the thread that got him banned to get laid more was a little uncalled for. I guess some people try and post politely and others just don't give a crap . | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
I always thought it is alright at TL to trash caught hackers,(example:this ) I need some input form some admins in where I should draw the line and stop in the future. I was really only trying to point out to the new users in TL that TT1 was a caught hacker all because they are making the fallacy of argument from authority in their debate with each other. | ||
motbob
United States12546 Posts
On June 30 2010 01:27 rei wrote: I got own for 2 weeks by kennigiti for being a smart ass in this thread I always thought it is alright at TL to trash caught hackers,(example:this ) I need some input form some admins in where I should draw the line and stop in the future. I was really only trying to point out to the new users in TL that TT1 was a caught hacker all because they are making the fallacy of argument from authority in their debate with each other. If someone isn't banned from TL, it means that they've worked their way back into the good graces of the community. Members of the TL community who were implicated in the swath of hacking convictions handed out by Iccup were perm banned and have not been unbanned. Some of the banned members were well-respected in the community (well, actually really only one.) Generally, bringing up past offenses that have been paid for with past ban time is, for lack of a better term, a "pretty douche move." Besides, the condemnation of TT1 in the 2008 thread you linked was about as mild as possible. Observe: The sad part about this is that TT1 is currently in the Top 16 of the TSL ladder, hosted on ICCup which we have not yet found a replay where he is “dirty.” He has made statements to Manifesto and Hot_Bid that promise that he does not hack anymore and that his TSL games are clean, which we believe. He also promises to make FPVODs of all matches in an effort to clean his reputation. While we appreciate the sentiment and meaning behind his words, it is quite clear that he has hacked within the past year, as recently as February 2008. This violates the policy of the TSL of hacking within the past year so TT1 will be disqualified and removed from the TSL. To some of you this punishment may seem harsh given the number of clean games he’s played, and to some of you this punishment may not seem harsh enough. TT1 has made several false statements, and it is our decision in this case to stick with our rule. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
and also the argument about getting good at the game and doing good at events will clear a hacker's name is a fallacy, because doing good at events and hacking is 2 completely different things. On April 21 2008 08:40 Liquid`NonY wrote: To clear his name how? If he is good at SC:BW, then the tarnish on his reputation for being a cheater is cleared? The two things have nothing to do with each other. It's a sad thing that he's even eligible to compete in WCG. TT1 didn't just hack, he lied about hacking, he betray his friend who he shared an account with and point the finger to that friend of his and said it was his friend who were hacking. I'm not sure whom you meant by a well-respected hacker, do you mean testie? I respects his skill in sc1, but i don't respect him as a person who cheated repeatedly and got caught over and over. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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Kralic
Canada2628 Posts
On June 30 2010 02:31 rei wrote: The condemnation from incontrol and nony ( here ) Clearly stated that the community does not welcome a hacker back from any kind of competitive events. and also the argument about getting good at the game and doing good at events will clear a hacker's name is a fallacy, because doing good at events and hacking is 2 completely different things. TT1 didn't just hack, he lied about hacking, he betray his friend who he shared an account with and point the finger to that friend of his and said it was his friend who were hacking. I'm not sure whom you meant by a well-respected hacker, do you mean testie? I respects his skill in sc1, but i don't respect him as a person who cheated repeatedly and got caught over and over. Apparentley you do not like TT1 which is fine, but sometimes people take their hatred for others to far which is what I see you are doing here by bringing up this issue over and over again. Why are you trying to get an admin to explain to you why you were banned when you should really PM the admin who banned you in the first place and leave the drama off the forums( I think you like attention though). It seems TT1 is unbanned in this community, he streams his games for us to watch and he seems to be trying to leave his past behind. | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On June 30 2010 02:31 rei wrote: The condemnation from incontrol and nony ( here ) Clearly stated that the community does not welcome a hacker back from any kind of competitive events. and also the argument about getting good at the game and doing good at events will clear a hacker's name is a fallacy, because doing good at events and hacking is 2 completely different things. TT1 didn't just hack, he lied about hacking, he betray his friend who he shared an account with and point the finger to that friend of his and said it was his friend who were hacking. This is not a black and white issue. You cannot take two year old quotes and apply them to a case which is much more complicated than you make it out to be. Check out this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=94907 The clear consensus in that thread is that tt1 has reformed. We can take the interview, and we can take the quotes by incontrol and Nony, which seem to argue against ever accepting claims of reform, and pit them against one another. Perhaps it is arguable whether tt1 is a member of the community who deserves a completely clean slate. However, the issue is not so clear-cut that you have the right to flame him without restraint. That's why you deserved the ban. (imo) | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
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Try
United States1293 Posts
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rei
United States3594 Posts
On June 30 2010 03:08 Try wrote: Alot of posters get banned for bad posting and one-liners, including me once (I've tried my best to get better in the past couple weeks); but why do some posters seem to be immune to these bans? All posters with over 10k+ posts have a vast majority of one-liners. While many of these posters more than make up for quite a bit of crappy posting by their contributions to the community (Konadora, Incontrol, etc.), I don't understand why guys like Frits can post nothing but crappy one-liners and be fine (don't mean to call you out, just using you as an example). I think it is because some one liners have no meaning at all, they are wasting of internet space, while other one liner has a meaning that is of importance. for example my one liner On June 30 2010 03:00 rei wrote: Thx motbob, you have answered all my questions. expresses my gratitude for another user's effort in enlightening my misunderstanding of the situation. another example of some bannable one liner: "cool story bro" it adds nothing, no meaning of anything that is of importance at all, so they are wasting internet space. | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On June 30 2010 03:08 Try wrote: Alot of posters get banned for bad posting and one-liners, including me once (I've tried my best to get better in the past couple weeks); but why do some posters seem to be immune to these bans? All posters with over 10k+ posts have a vast majority of one-liners. While many of these posters more than make up for quite a bit of crappy posting by their contributions to the community (Konadora, Incontrol, etc.), I don't understand why guys like Frits can post nothing but crappy one-liners and be fine (don't mean to call you out, just using you as an example). From what I've seen (this is just my experience as a site veteran), you can have the most vapid posting in the universe and get away with it if you just stay positive. Example: GoSu / Mojawi)SoJu / whatever his name is now. However, it is very difficult to keep up a sunny disposition on the internet, and crappy one-line posters generally slip up after a while. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On June 30 2010 03:20 motbob wrote: From what I've seen (this is just my experience as a site veteran), you can have the most vapid posting in the universe and get away with it if you just stay positive. Example: GoSu / Mojawi)SoJu / whatever his name is now. However, it is very difficult to keep up a sunny disposition on the internet, and crappy one-line posters generally slip up after a while. That's when it pays to go back and read your own posts and edit them lol I have probably posted stuff that's tempban worthy but I go back and edit it because I realize it's a shit post | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32130 Posts
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On June 26 2010 08:58 nicoaldo wrote: Did u read that OP of that blog? i don´t think he really had a bad attitude. at all Just read it now. Thanks, it was an interesting read and I loved BroOd's movie story for CheAse's life. I recommend everyone should read it - here After considering how decent the OP was and how mature he was about his situation I now think the 2 days was waaaay too lenient. I guess you were hoping to show me that thread and make me change my mind. Oh well, guess we just disagree  . | ||
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BlasiuS
United States2405 Posts
On June 30 2010 03:17 rei wrote: another example of some bannable one liner: "cool story bro" it adds nothing, no meaning of anything that is of importance at all, so they are wasting internet space. bad example imo, "cool story bro" isn't bannable because it's a one-liner, it's more because it's a meme post, which tl.net generally frowns upon. It's an especially bad meme post because it's a "4-chan meme" which tl.net hates even more than other memes (read through the automated ban list and look at how many ban reasons are "This is not 4chan"). saying "cool story bro" isn't simply an empty line, it obviously has meaning (otherwise it wouldn't be a meme). In this particular case, "cool story bro" generally means "your story/post is bad because it is generally meaningless and/or doesn't have a real point, and therefore doesn't interest me (or the typical reader)" A better example of a ban resulting from a terrible one-liner: here moral of the story: don't post one-liners AND don't post memes, especially ones that come from 4chan | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
On June 30 2010 03:20 motbob wrote: From what I've seen (this is just my experience as a site veteran), you can have the most vapid posting in the universe and get away with it if you just stay positive. Example: GoSu / Mojawi)SoJu / whatever his name is now. However, it is very difficult to keep up a sunny disposition on the internet, and crappy one-line posters generally slip up after a while. GoSu? Toad? He still posts here? I kinda miss his blog :\ EDIT: well I guess he does, but it seems he has no blog  | ||
Chill
Calgary25995 Posts
On June 30 2010 03:08 Try wrote: Alot of posters get banned for bad posting and one-liners, including me once (I've tried my best to get better in the past couple weeks); but why do some posters seem to be immune to these bans? All posters with over 10k+ posts have a vast majority of one-liners. While many of these posters more than make up for quite a bit of crappy posting by their contributions to the community (Konadora, Incontrol, etc.), I don't understand why guys like Frits can post nothing but crappy one-liners and be fine (don't mean to call him out, just using him as an example). The issue with one-liners isn't the length of the post, it's the thought going into the post history. Do you really want to be in a community that has rules like: If ( ) then ban ? Of course not. When someone says "stop posting one-liners" they are really saying "Improve your post quality". I thought this was inherently obvious. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On June 30 2010 03:48 BlasiuS wrote: bad example imo, "cool story bro" isn't bannable because it's a one-liner, it's more because it's a meme post, which tl.net generally frowns upon. It's an especially bad meme post because it's a "4-chan meme" which tl.net hates even more than other memes (read through the automated ban list and look at how many ban reasons are "This is not 4chan"). saying "cool story bro" isn't simply an empty line, it obviously has meaning (otherwise it wouldn't be a meme). In this particular case, "cool story bro" generally means "your story/post is bad because it is generally meaningless and/or doesn't have a real point, and therefore doesn't interest me (or the typical reader)" A better example of a ban resulting from a terrible one-liner: here moral of the story: don't post one-liners AND don't post memes, especially ones that come from 4chan despite all the stuff you said here, "cool story bro" is a ridiculously bad post - meme or not all one liners have meaning.. if the language makes sense it's obviously going to have some meaning.. that doesn't make it a good post and btw "cool story bro" has about the least meaning of any post possible. about 95% of the time it's posted it seems to me that it's equivalent to posting "im a douche" | ||
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Try
United States1293 Posts
On June 30 2010 03:55 Chill wrote: The issue with one-liners isn't the length of the post, it's the thought going into the post history. Do you really want to be in a community that has rules like: If ( ) then ban ? Of course not. When someone says "stop posting one-liners" they are really saying "Improve your post quality". I thought this was inherently obvious. I wasn't aware that someone who posts only one liners could still be a thoughtful, high-quality poster. Also, even if it was possible, its certainly not the case with many people who have 10k+ posts. Hell, just look at Frits's or Charliemurphy's posting history (at least Charlie has some redeemable traits/posts). Yet some of these guys can get to 10k comfortably without being permabanned for terrible posting. I'm just wondering about the double standard here. I think you misunderstood the point of my post. | ||
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