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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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Joedaddy
United States1948 Posts
On January 19 2012 13:28 Plexa wrote: We punish hate speech, but nothing like what you linked and I doubt we ever will. Can I ask why? Would sexual harassment be tolerated? | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On January 07 2012 04:00 Humanfails wrote: you're an animal too. To claim you are not is a fallacy religion has pushed since the beginning of time. Animals feel pain. animals have brains. you have a brain (presumably). you feel pain. ethics derives from concepts of right and wrong. He didn't even say what religion, it could have been islam for all you know. Like I said, we moderate against hate speech of all forms. | ||
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Joedaddy
United States1948 Posts
I just feel like if there are expectations on respecting people's race, gender, and sexual orientation that similar standards on respect for religious beliefs would and should be made as well. | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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Joedaddy
United States1948 Posts
On January 19 2012 13:46 Plexa wrote: So should we moderate against people who claim Bisu is the best player in the world? People are allowed to have opinions, sorry. Of course people can have opinions. I'm not suggesting that they shouldn't, nor am I suggesting that everyone's opinions have to be the same as mine. But what if I had the opinion that: "Females playing SC2 is silly. They'll never be as good as Males." I can't imagine that being an acceptable post. It's narrow minded, offensive, and disrespectful to females. It's an opinion though and might only truly offend the "super sensitive." Or maybe it would be an acceptable post? | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
you're an animal too. To claim you are not means you are a dipshit for following some idiotic religion Animals feel pain. animals have brains. you have a brain (presumably). you feel pain. ethics derives from concepts of right and wrong. | ||
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Joedaddy
United States1948 Posts
I can't come close to understanding how "Females playing SC2 is silly. They'll never be as good as Males" could be interpreted as hate speech. Sexist, yes. Disrespectful, yes. But it doesn't imply that I hate females or that I hate females who play SC2. It is an opinion. Interestingly enough, you interpreted it as "hate speech" while I perceive it to have the same level of offensiveness as you perceived the example post to have. So who is right and who is wrong? What we do know for sure is that just because one person finds something offensive doesn't mean that someone else will. People's religious beliefs are as near and dear to their heart as gay pride may be to a homosexual. I find it incredibly offensive there are threads dedicated exclusively to and titled for "Gays" while any thread about religion specifically is closed. You can't make gay jokes that could possibly offend someone, but the standards for making fun of religion are incredibly lenient. Please tell me why things should be allowed to continue this way. | ||
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don_kyuhote
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and how old/young are they? | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On January 19 2012 14:22 Joedaddy wrote: I'm not great at expressing myself in writing and getting all my thoughts/ideas out there in a way that can be easily understood. The example I linked was just that, an example. I didn't post it seeking action against the poster nor did I intend for it to be the epitome of disrespect of religious beliefs on TL. I can't come close to understanding how "Females playing SC2 is silly. They'll never be as good as Males" could be interpreted as hate speech. Sexist, yes. Disrespectful, yes. But it doesn't imply that I hate females or that I hate females who play SC2. It is an opinion. Interestingly enough, you interpreted it as "hate speech" while I perceive it to have the same level of offensiveness as you perceived the example post to have. So who is right and who is wrong? What we do know for sure is that just because one person finds something offensive doesn't mean that someone else will. People's religious beliefs are as near and dear to their heart as gay pride may be to a homosexual. I find it incredibly offensive there are threads dedicated exclusively to and titled for "Gays" while any thread about religion specifically is closed. You can't make gay jokes that could possibly offend someone, but the standards for making fun of religion are incredibly lenient. Please tell me why things should be allowed to continue this way. Your example is bad because it implies that all females suck at starcraft and hence feel that they are inferior at SC. There was no such implication in the post you quoted. TL isn't a religious website, and any "offensive" posts about religion are invariably not directed towards gaming ability and the like. What is said about general topics is more lenient because of that. | ||
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Joedaddy
United States1948 Posts
On January 19 2012 14:45 Plexa wrote: Your example is bad because it implies that all females suck at starcraft and hence feel that they are inferior at SC. There was no such implication in the post you quoted. TL isn't a religious website, and any "offensive" posts about religion are invariably not directed towards gaming ability and the like. What is said about general topics is more lenient because of that. I don't want the discussion to be focused on "this" example, or "that" example. They're just my inept attempts to make my position clear. The bottom line is that in the current state there are standards against offensive posts about someone's race, gender, and sexual orientation, yet you can make fun of a person's religion and call it every name in the book. However, you can't say anything that might be construed as offensive to someone's sexual orientation, race, or gender. I want you to understand that making fun of someone's religion is just as offensive to some/most/all(?) religious people. If I can't make fun of homosexuality, then why should someone else be allowed to be make fun of Christianity, Mormonism, Islam, etc? Religion is an issue just as important to those that have it as any of the previously three listed things. Yet there is nothing in place that prevents making fun of it. TL isn't a religious site, I get it. But it is a site where thousands of people come together to discuss a plethora of subject matter. There are rules set up and designed to foster respectful and constructive discussion. I strongly feel that the same "protections" should be extended to include religion. What is lost by saying "ok guys and gals, you don't have to share someone's religious beliefs but it is no longer acceptable to make fun of them and degrade them." | ||
Antoine
United States7481 Posts
On January 19 2012 14:24 don_kyuhote wrote: Who is the oldest in the staff and who is the youngest? and how old/young are they? gtr is the youngest, he's 15 i'm not sure who the oldest is. | ||
infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
On January 19 2012 15:07 Antoine wrote: gtr is the youngest, he's 15 i'm not sure who the oldest is. I want to say Mani is the oldest. Also exactly in the middle of the staff ages is semioldguy | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27158 Posts
On January 19 2012 14:22 Joedaddy wrote: People's religious beliefs are as near and dear to their heart as gay pride may be to a homosexual. I find it incredibly offensive there are threads dedicated exclusively to and titled for "Gays" while any thread about religion specifically is closed. You can't make gay jokes that could possibly offend someone, but the standards for making fun of religion are incredibly lenient. You can't make fun of religion here. Your earlier linked example is not someone "making fun of religion". You writing "incredibly lenient" is bullshit and makes me think you are arguing for the sake of arguing, not because you have any evidence. As to your other point, the reason religious threads are closed is because of the simple fact that people on the internet cannot discuss the topic without insulting / belittling / or offending people. TL doesn't want that environment and decided years ago to remove those threads. Homosexuality threads do not suffer the same fate because people are able to discuss the issues without those problems. | ||
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Joedaddy
United States1948 Posts
On January 19 2012 15:31 Manifesto7 wrote: You can't make fun of religion here. Your earlier linked example is not someone "making fun of religion". You writing "incredibly lenient" is bullshit and makes me think you are arguing for the sake of arguing, not because you have any evidence. As to your other point, the reason religious threads are closed is because of the simple fact that people on the internet cannot discuss the topic without insulting / belittling / or offending people. TL doesn't want that environment and decided years ago to remove those threads. Homosexuality threads do not suffer the same fate because people are able to discuss the issues without those problems. I haven't kept a running list of every post referencing religion that offended me. If it will help, I will start making notes and adding links here as examples and supporting evidence. I'm not arguing for the sake of arguing. Please understand this. I spend a silly amount of time hanging out just browsing the forums, watching streams etc. I love TL!! I'm not posting here to cause a scene. This is just something that has been bothering me for a while that I feel very strongly about. I understand that "people on the internet cannot discuss the topic without insulting / belittling / or offending people." I've seen it. I don't think its fair to discriminate though. It is atrocious that TL would close this thread which offers a place for Christians to find each other, gather together and have fun on bnet while this thread offers a gathering of gay SC players to find each other, gather together and have fun on bnet remains open. There is no amount of reasoning that changes the fact that as it stands, religious people are currently heavily discriminated against on TL to the point that they aren't even allowed to have a thread dedicated to them. | ||
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actionbastrd
Congo598 Posts
On January 19 2012 15:54 Joedaddy wrote: I haven't kept a running list of every post referencing religion that offended me. If it will help, I will start making notes and adding links here as examples and supporting evidence. I'm not arguing for the sake of arguing. Please understand this. I spend a silly amount of time hanging out just browsing the forums, watching streams etc. I love TL!! I'm not posting here to cause a scene. This is just something that has been bothering me for a while that I feel very strongly about. I understand that "people on the internet cannot discuss the topic without insulting / belittling / or offending people." I've seen it. I don't think its fair to discriminate though. It is atrocious that TL would close this thread which offers a place for Christians to find each other, gather together and have fun on bnet while this thread offers a gathering of gay SC players to find each other, gather together and have fun on bnet remains open. There is no amount of reasoning that changes the fact that as it stands, religious people are currently heavily discriminated against on TL to the point that they aren't even allowed to have a thread dedicated to them. I dont understand. Like seriously, My beliefs aside, You get offended when i say god isnt real? Well i could easily get offended when you say that god is real. Why in the world do you care so much really? Nothing you have shown is insulting at all. People differ in opinions, you say we are not animals but gods children, others say we are animals. Big deal? I dont understand why you dont get where plexa and mani are coming from. If everyone went around getting offended every time someone has a different belief or opinion on something... wow that would be annoying. Dont be so one sided. I really hope you dont get offended every time someone has a different belief in you. If i said i think god will give me 72 (or w/e it is) virgins when i die, will you be offended because you (probably) dont believe the same thing? Thats silly. If you were truly comfortable in your faith with god you wouldn't even have this problem to begin with because you would know that you are going the right path and its okay if not everyone feels the same way because you are content. Sometimes i feel like people get offended with those comments just because it makes them question themselves :-/ And religious threads are flame fests that always end in failure. | ||
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Manifesto7
Osaka27158 Posts
I understand that "people on the internet cannot discuss the topic without insulting / belittling / or offending people." I've seen it. I don't think its fair to discriminate though. It is atrocious that TL would close this thread which offers a place for Christians to find each other, gather together and have fun on bnet while this thread offers a gathering of gay SC players to find each other, gather together and have fun on bnet remains open. Sorry you think it is atrocious, but as I have clearly explained, history formulated that site policy. You don't have to like it, but all the precedent is on my side. | ||
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Nauru12397 Posts
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Zurich15361 Posts
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