EPTShould give anyone an idea what the posting standards are and what the mods have to endure day after day. Also you can familiarize yourself with some of the mods/banlings and established community members and trolls.
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surfinbird1
Germany999 Posts
Should give anyone an idea what the posting standards are and what the mods have to endure day after day. Also you can familiarize yourself with some of the mods/banlings and established community members and trolls. | ||
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ChaoSbringer
Australia1382 Posts
Don't know how people could live without it. | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
Finally, you just signed away countless hours of your life, enjoy!  | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9033 Posts
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CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
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SarR
476 Posts
On September 02 2011 00:04 Emporio wrote: I disagree that you should never be the minority. There are times that you shouldn't express your opinion because it's unnecessary (SC2 in BW topics) or you're being a massive troll (posting crap in a fan club). However if in the proper place and with a good attitude, disagreements are key to good discussion. EDIT: Now that you've edited your post I realize you are trolling in one of the stupidest topics for you to be doing that in. My post is based on observing trends here with posting. Im a person that tends to aggregate things in my mind and categorize them perhaps more so than the average person. My conclusion comes mainly from observing the Automated Ban List thread and the threads where the users got banned. Ive noticed a pattern here when people disagree with the majority. Let me illustrate the pattern i've observed here. Someone creates a thread here. Imagine a generic thread where most posts go like this. Oh man that really sucks. or Why did that have to happen. They should [insert opinion here] so this kind of thing wont happen again. If someone comes along and breaks the trend with something like:- This [insert lifeform or organization here] deserved this because [insert reasoning here]. Then what tends to happen is subsequent users turn on this poor sod and eventually the poor sod bites back when one of those users gets a liitle out of line like this:- Its idiots like this that make me [insert melodramatic nonsense here]. You obviously are [insert harsh words of harsh tone here]. You're a moron. What i've seen often is that the user above gets a warning and the user that first countered the trend ends up getting banned,not right away but eventually, ultimately because his efforts derail the thread by inducing emotionally charged responses which do little to discuss the topic. So I say again, if you find yourself in disagreement with 90% of posters in a thread, its better to avoid posting about it. | ||
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AlgoFlash
Canada96 Posts
On September 02 2011 00:29 SarR wrote: My post is based on observing trends here with posting. Im a person that tends to aggregate things in my mind and categorize them perhaps more so than the average person. My conclusion comes mainly from observing the Automated Ban List thread and the threads where the users got banned. Ive noticed a pattern here when people disagree with the majority. Let me illustrate the pattern i've observed here. (1) Someone creates a thread here. Imagine a generic thread where most posts go like this. or If someone comes along and breaks the trend with something like:- Then what tends to happen is subsequent users turn on this poor sod and eventually the poor sod bites back when one of those users gets a liitle out of line like this:- What i've seen often is that the user above gets a warning and the user that first countered the trend ends up getting banned, ultimately because his efforts derail the thread by inducing emotionally charged responses which do little to discuss the topic. So I say again, if you find yourself in disagreement with 90% of posters in a thread, its better to avoid posting about it. I thinlk that a better advice is: always show a constructed opinion with facts as evidences. Nobody cares if you prefer red or blue, and in a good thread it will get you banned. | ||
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SarR
476 Posts
On September 02 2011 00:38 AlgoFlash wrote: I thinlk that a better advice is: always show a constructed opinion with facts as evidences. Nobody cares if you prefer red or blue, and in a good thread it will get you banned. Problem is that cognitive bias influences their responses and they counter with their own 'facts', which is constructed under the influence of said cognitive bias. This leads to a never ending "back and forth" which a moderator eventually ends. | ||
Chill
Calgary25990 Posts
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
So as Emporio suggested, it's a good idea not to start posting a ton if you have no experience. As is obvious, TL isn't like most other forums. Never EVER martyr in any way whatsoever (even if you don't mean it in a martyrish way, just saying you "might be temp banned for this" will get you temp banned as far as I know). It's also important to know your place in the community, and know that although Rekrul (or any other well-respected veteran for that matter) might get away with calling people (IdrA, specifically, in 2007  ) names doesn't mean you can. Basically says this in the 10 commandments.I'm not sure what else I can say that hasn't already been said... If you use common sense it should be pretty easy to not get banned or rejected, though sometimes one can find that common sense isn't all too common on the internet. Reading the ABL (Automated Ban List) will help a bit with understanding what works on TL and what doesn't. Take note of when banned user was registered, post count etc.. A user with 10k posts that's been here since '05 might not get as quickly banned as Mr. SCV with 13 posts who registered a week ago. | ||
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Avius
Iraq1796 Posts
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
Chill. | ||
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
Don't bring up SC2 vs BW. Anywhere. | ||
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
On September 02 2011 00:29 SarR wrote: My post is based on observing trends here with posting. Im a person that tends to aggregate things in my mind and categorize them perhaps more so than the average person. My conclusion comes mainly from observing the Automated Ban List thread and the threads where the users got banned. Ive noticed a pattern here when people disagree with the majority. Let me illustrate the pattern i've observed here. Someone creates a thread here. Imagine a generic thread where most posts go like this. or If someone comes along and breaks the trend with something like:- Then what tends to happen is subsequent users turn on this poor sod and eventually the poor sod bites back when one of those users gets a liitle out of line like this:- What i've seen often is that the user above gets a warning and the user that first countered the trend ends up getting banned,not right away but eventually, ultimately because his efforts derail the thread by inducing emotionally charged responses which do little to discuss the topic. So I say again, if you find yourself in disagreement with 90% of posters in a thread, its better to avoid posting about it. If you go to any "police beats man" thread, you'll find that this is entirely untrue. Most of those threads are riddled with "fuck the cops" "oh god america police state" "nazis??" stuff like that. Usually not a person will stick up for the police, but I tend to. Obviously if it was just straight up brutality or w/e I'm not going to condone it, but when some sensationalist article comes out with absolutely zero details other than like...5 lines saying "guy in so and so town gets shot by three police" and nothing about why or what happened and stuff, I'm going to give the police the BOTD until details come out. I know of three threads where I've been the vocal minority, on this specific issue, and never gotten banned for it. As long as you're not doing it just to troll "Hey [thread topic] is fucking dumb because they do [this] and that's just not right" and you're actually supporting a counter argument with some meaning, then you'll be fine. | ||
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BroOd
Austin10833 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50601 Posts
Don't fuck with pros. Don't fuck with forum veterans. don't bring up unecessary arguments(like SC2 vs BW) On September 02 2011 01:03 BroOd wrote: Just remember that the names you see on the forums are actually real people somewhere. Treat them with the same respect you'd give someone if you were meeting them irl for the first time. This,but you will learn to understand this once you either meet them in real life or talk to them in Vent/TS | ||
Daigomi
South Africa4316 Posts
On September 02 2011 00:43 SarR wrote: Problem is that cognitive bias influences their responses and they counter with their own 'facts', which is constructed under the influence of said cognitive bias. This leads to a never ending "back and forth" which a moderator eventually ends. Well, it depends on a few things, including how convincing your arguments are. It's easy to say that the only reason people don't agree with you is because they are biased to look for evidence confirming their own opinions when in actual fact you're just not providing a convincing argument. Also, it's not as if you yourself is not influenced by the same bias. As someone who gets involved in way too many debates, my advice would be: 1. You are very rarely 100% right, so accept it when you are wrong and make a point of mentioning it, even if it's on a minor point. Doing so will not only allow the debate to progress more quickly, it will also force you to reexamine your own position occasionally. Also, the person debating with you will be more likely to concede when they are wrong if they see you doing the same thing. 2. Be specific when you disagree with someone. Tell them specifically what they said that you don't agree with and give clear reasons why you disagree. 3. If you can't debate without throwing in personal insults, don't debate at all. Once people start flaming, the debate goes down hill very quickly. If you absolutely have to, call someone's ideas dumb, not the person. 4. Know when to let it go. This goes along with what you said. Sometimes a debate just doesn't make progress and you have to let it go (or take it to PM) before a mod steps in. Also, don't try to get the last word in when you feel a debate has reached its end. Just say "This isn't going anywhere, so lets agree to disagree," or something like that. In the end, the purpose of any debate should be to find the truth, not to show that you are right. That doesn't mean you shouldn't argue your own opinion, but you should do it without relying on rhetorical tricks or being disingenuous. No mod will ever ban you if you debate honestly. | ||
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suxN
Finland1167 Posts
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SnetteL
Belgium473 Posts
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