UK Sc2 Has been bubbling quietly for a long time now, never really making any breakthroughs. Right now there is a feeling going around that there's a lot of “almost there” players, looking for an opportunity to live Sc2.
For a few lucky people, this may just be that chance!
As of yet there is no date set, once a group of like minded individuals has been built, we will set a definite move in date that will accommodate the entire group fairly
September 1st is Looking to be the unofficial move in date so far, between the group that's already established. This will coincide with the end of MLG Raleigh
Possibly You!, Leave a comment in this thread if you are 18+ of Masters or higher skill level, and want to commit to playing sc2 for the foreseeable future. If you aren't masters level yet, you've probably got a good month or 2 to buck up, or strap down.. and improve
Quite simple really. Property prices here are very low, and compared to the more major cities such as London, the price of living is extremely low. Between 4 people, the cost could be as low as 1 afternoon of work per person.
Plymouth!
There are quite a few properties we have our eye on at the moment, once the group is formed, we can discuss price/space much more clearly. The Property will be located within a 10 minute walk of the main train-station. You can travel the country in one afternoon on the train for as little as £20 if tickets are booked early enough. A full highstreet/shopping centre, restaurant district and all the pubs/clubs/bars you could dream of will be located within 5-10 mins walk, all on a nice waterfront
- Get in touch for a more detailed breakdown, however assume an average cost of £50/week. if £10 either way is going to make or break your decision, you probably need to think about something else There's some very reasonable property available, which, when split between us all would come to roughly £40/week, and then there's larger much nicer property which would bring the costs to £50-55 possibly 60.
Once a reliable final group has been decided, we will budget according to the group.
For the love of the game, the time feels right, the opportunity is presented to us. Now is the time to take it! My thread on a shared office space for Plymouth locals spurred me into action after receiving a great amount of interest [http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=235554¤tpage=4 ]
Once the group is assembled, There is more than likely going to be a long weekend of sc2 hosted at my abode. So we can meet, see how we get along after a few beers and a bbq and discuss everything in person before fully committing.
If you like the idea, but don't have the money, and feel unsafe about committing, I'd be more than happy to Have the right person come and stay for a week or so, to get a chance to see the area, and have a look for part time work (of which there is a LOT going round atm!)
----- little update ----- Due to the pretty intense level of interest so far, I'll update a bit about what i/we are looking for
Each slot in the house has an Associated value assigned to it, which is a combination of various criteria: Personality - being personable, and in general easy going, respectful -has high value
Skill - Arguably the most important aspect towards Value, However if one person had enough of a "problem" in terms of group cohesion, then its very possible that the negative value they put on the other players, isn't worth their skill contribution
Ability to Commit - Players who can commit for longer time frame will add value to their slot in the house, as a result these players will receive higher priority come decision time.
So when contacting me just consider these simple things a bit, chances are if you know your a bit of an arse, its going to harm your chances :D:D
This is a good initiative to take! If I lived in plymouth and was employed I'd consider this. Sadly I'm down in swansea and jobless (but I do have an interview next week). Swansea's a really cheap place to live with alot of properties, hint hint
On June 22 2011 05:56 Sombrero wrote: Best of luck to you mate! I just finished university and I have no commitments but I am not good enough
Trust me, being in a house with other Starcraft 2 players, can get you from bronze level, to masters level in a matter of a couple weeks, easily. I'd give it a go!
Change the business model to "SC2 summer camp" and you might get more people joining in. Definitely has potential with holidays coming up. Throw in a couple nights in the pub with the guys (and ladies?) and barbecues... nobody's gonna become a pro, but it'd be lots of fun I imagine.
On June 22 2011 06:12 Dagobert wrote: Change the business model to "SC2 summer camp" and you might get more people joining in. Definitely has potential with holidays coming up.
business model?
Operating at a personal loss isn't a business model, it's a thing of passion
I'm not sure about the validity of a comment like "and you might get more" considering the age of the thread. Wait and see eh. No need to rush.
Feel free to take you own advice though - not particularly interested in running a summer camp for kids tho
Sounds very intresting and i get my Games Design degree from Bolton University soon so i would be free. I'll just have to man up and get into masters league first :p
On June 22 2011 06:19 Cruzzy wrote: Soons very intresting and i get my Games Design degree from Bolton University soon so i would be free. I'll just have to man up and get into masters league first :p
My skype details at the bottom of the OP.
Need any help/practice pm me. i'll do my best to help you out, at a minimum i can set you up with some cool prac partners
On June 22 2011 06:12 Dagobert wrote: Change the business model to "SC2 summer camp" and you might get more people joining in. Definitely has potential with holidays coming up.
business model?
Operating at a personal loss isn't a business model, it's a thing of passion
I'm not sure about the validity of a comment like "and you might get more" considering the age of the thread. Wait and see eh. No need to rush.
Feel free to take you own advice though - not particularly interested in running a summer camp for kids tho
Why are you talking trash now?
In case you haven't noticed, "more" is used when a comparison is made. I compared your current idea and existing models (gosucoaching), then mentioned that option. No clue why you go all aggro now. If your pride as martyr gamer is hurt now, sorry, didn't mean to hurt you.
On June 22 2011 06:12 Dagobert wrote: Change the business model to "SC2 summer camp" and you might get more people joining in. Definitely has potential with holidays coming up.
business model?
Operating at a personal loss isn't a business model, it's a thing of passion
I'm not sure about the validity of a comment like "and you might get more" considering the age of the thread. Wait and see eh. No need to rush.
Feel free to take you own advice though - not particularly interested in running a summer camp for kids tho
Why are you talking trash now?
In case you haven't noticed, "more" is used when a comparison is made. I compared your current idea and existing models (gosucoaching), then mentioned that option. No clue why you go all aggro now.
hmm this is totally disappointing, just finishing school, 16. Would have the opportunity to get into master league or plus but i guess your looking for 18 year olds and over. Shame really but good luck on finding more people and ofc upping the UK sc2 scene. Hopefully you could get Total biscuit over there with you.Just if your interested High platinum protoss.
On June 22 2011 06:24 Bourne wrote: hmm this is totally disappointing, just finishing school, 16. Would have the opportunity to get into master league or plus but i guess your looking for 18 year olds and over. Shame really but good luck on finding more people and ofc upping the UK sc2 scene. Hopefully you could get Total biscuit over there with you.Just if your interested High platinum protoss.
Bourne
18+ is just to avoid any legal complications, and bypass any parental crap. If you can provide evidenc ethat theres no problem, and your of a correct level of maturity (and skill) theres a place for you.
Eleaven, I was just wondering if this opportunity is offered only to UK residents or is it extended to the entire community, regardless of nationality?
On June 22 2011 06:32 JouriCarver wrote: im personaly quite tempted but would need a job in the area so that sucks a bit
check the last section, can give you a bed to sleep in for a week prior to any commitments if your only concern is finding work. Plenty of time to throws some cv's around.
On June 22 2011 06:24 Bourne wrote: hmm this is totally disappointing, just finishing school, 16. Would have the opportunity to get into master league or plus but i guess your looking for 18 year olds and over. Shame really but good luck on finding more people and ofc upping the UK sc2 scene. Hopefully you could get Total biscuit over there with you.Just if your interested High platinum protoss.
Bourne
18+ is just to avoid any legal complications, and bypass any parental crap. If you can provide evidenc ethat theres no problem, and your of a correct level of maturity (and skill) theres a place for you.
Cheers for the fast response. Guess i bet to man up and skill up. Just wondering what type of sc2 players that your going to get, Demuslim ? Dbling? Dapollo ?. Also, wondering if UK people are going to be participating in the Shropshire, telford i43 tournament at the end of august. Its moved from newbury and there is a sc2 tournament there and 2.5k is the minimum prize pool.
On June 22 2011 06:38 Invictus212 wrote: Eleaven, I was just wondering if this opportunity is offered only to UK residents or is it extended to the entire community, regardless of nationality?
Personally, i have had nothing but trouble securing visa's for my ex-team mates.
If you can get a visitation visa, or another type, then you can join in. Ofc i'm sure your aware its somewhat of a larger commitment. But at this stage there are no exclusions, provided you can deal with everything required.
If you think this is viable for you, get in touch on skype.
There's been some amazing interest in this so far. And it looks like we have 2 people already. Looking for between 4-6 Ideally.
Some interesting things going on in the local area, and whispers of local tournaments being set up of a rather large scale.
On June 22 2011 06:40 cactuschewer wrote: Plymouth, so far from Manchester D:
couple hours on a train.
I semi regularly go to london and back in a day. Not a big deal
Gonna grab some sleep now. I'll check back on this in the morning, and get back to anybody who's added me on skype that i haven't got round to talking to yet!
Thanks for the interest. Things look positive so far
wow this is a really cool thing to do, I really wish someone did something like this in the states. I mean it is a bargin all around, you pay significantly less than you would if you lived on your own.... But it is also a sc house.. amazing =D
Haven't you been promoting free living space in plymouth today ? Something defintly smells wrong and fishy here.... A mod should defintly look into this.
This sounds really very strange dont wanna see news headlines like "sexual offender gathered victims @team liquid" or something like this :S
or its some kind of loanshark ? But something is defintly wrong here, mods shoud check this out
This is awesome. Both the fact of there's somewhere to live in this rat hole of a UK and that you guys are doing something for us living here! I would love to do something like this but honestly i'm too scared and having a hell of a time in top diamond as it is ^^ you can do it!
On June 22 2011 07:47 Holy_AT wrote: Haven't you been promoting free living space in plymouth today ? Something defintly smells wrong and fishy here.... A mod should defintly look into this.
This sounds really very strange dont wanna see news headlines like "sexual offender gathered victims @team liquid" or something like this :S
or its some kind of loanshark ? But something is defintly wrong here, mods shoud check this out
No your wrong on all counts. How difficult would it be to look at threads, and deduce that your just flat out wrong?
TL profiles contain a posting history, My other thread discusses use of office space i have for Sc2 purposes, available to anyone in the local area to use during the daytime. A lot of interest was generated in that thread about it, from people who would be up for it, but needed a place to stay, Thus this thread was born.
Please actually read threads before you point wild accusations at people
Something is very wrong with your post, mods should check this out.
On topic, thanks for the overwhelming support/positive comments and all the people who've gotten in touch on skype. We'll make something out of uk sc2 eventually
Why did i just get engaged at the early age of 18 .
Good luck with you house dudes! I would be intrested in coming down for a weekend or so to spend some time with you guys, if not purely to leech off your skills being a high gold player! and of course, DRINK YOU ALL UNDER YOUR COMPUTER DESKS!.
On June 22 2011 07:47 Holy_AT wrote: Haven't you been promoting free living space in plymouth today ? Something defintly smells wrong and fishy here.... A mod should defintly look into this.
This sounds really very strange dont wanna see news headlines like "sexual offender gathered victims @team liquid" or something like this :S
or its some kind of loanshark ? But something is defintly wrong here, mods shoud check this out
I'm assuming people are going to trust him about as much as they trust any other random guy on the internet. For me that's taking him at face value right up to the point where he asks me to step into his windowless van.
On June 22 2011 08:04 Capped wrote: Why did i just get engaged at the early age of 18 .
Good luck with you house dudes! I would be intrested in coming down for a weekend or so to spend some time with you guys, if not purely to leech off your skills being a high gold player! and of course, DRINK YOU ALL UNDER YOUR COMPUTER DESKS!.
more or less posts than this..? i'm not sure which id prefer :D
On June 22 2011 07:47 Holy_AT wrote: Haven't you been promoting free living space in plymouth today ? Something defintly smells wrong and fishy here.... A mod should defintly look into this.
This sounds really very strange dont wanna see news headlines like "sexual offender gathered victims @team liquid" or something like this :S
or its some kind of loanshark ? But something is defintly wrong here, mods shoud check this out
I'm assuming people are going to trust him about as much as they trust any other random guy on the internet. For me that's taking him at face value right up to the point where he asks me to step into his windowless van.
LOL!
:D. Good to see you in another thread kwark!
Hmm, im gonna have to work on getting a licence.. so i can get a van.. yes.. that will complete the plan... muahahha!
On June 22 2011 08:13 Xorphene wrote: Upper age limit?
Personality, motivation, skill, desire - are things i'm concerned for, upper age limits haven't even entered my head. I'd say 50-60 with early on-set arthritis .
Honestly, the skill, and attitude matters so much more to me than age. The guys who've gotten in touch so far seem very easy going and pleasant.
On June 22 2011 08:16 dahornnn wrote: at those costs if no one has the money you can just dole it till you find part time work lol
rofl, yeah Dole would more than cover most scenarios. But there is work available if required, im not gonna endorse playing games all day and abusing the system, but yeah theres a variety of possibilities
gimble is quite good isnt he? think i saw him in some go4sc2's etc. any have you considered contacting players like bling from dignitas, or pureball, or fargo? anyways best of luck to you!
I liked the Mall thingy in Plymouth. Town center was a lot larger then expected. I think there are a few ppl at Plymouth uni who play SC too. Best of luck.
Wish I was 10 years younger and i'd be up for this but in london
Damn man, this sounds absolutely awesome. I'm a little too far away to join this, but i wish you the best of luck. Best example of "just get out there and do it". I'd love to see blogs and updates on how this goes too ^_^ Good luck!
On June 22 2011 08:39 Adeeler wrote: I liked the Mall thingy in Plymouth. Town center was a lot larger then expected. I think there are a few ppl at Plymouth uni who play SC too. Best of luck.
Wish I was 10 years younger and i'd be up for this but in london
They've put a lot of money into making plymouth more of a modern, nice city.. Gardens all over the place, futuristic architectures, white slab surfaces, and one of those massive out door tv's etc. its pretty neat at times
shame to miss out on you!. good luck with your endevours
On June 22 2011 08:47 Stijx wrote: Damn man, this sounds absolutely awesome. I'm a little too far away to join this, but i wish you the best of luck. Best example of "just get out there and do it". I'd love to see blogs and updates on how this goes too ^_^ Good luck!
When things are more concrete and real, a blog/website will be set up
You need to be very sure this is what you want. I know you wont listen because you are excited and when excited you tend to ignore rational or dismiss it as being overly negative etc etc, I am the worst culprit of this in the world. But this is a HUGE commitment, you will need to be practising >6 hours a day and not just with each other. Bear in mind that being a pro gamer is not as fun as you would expect, in terms of pay it is minuscule and the hours are dire. May I suggest that before you do this you try the life of a pro gamer for a month before and see if you can manage it and its still what you want you may find its not for you, and its better to discover this now.
Anyways good luck, hope you do succeed but remember there is a reason the UK sc scene is so bad.
On June 22 2011 06:24 Bourne wrote: hmm this is totally disappointing, just finishing school, 16. Would have the opportunity to get into master league or plus but i guess your looking for 18 year olds and over. Shame really but good luck on finding more people and ofc upping the UK sc2 scene. Hopefully you could get Total biscuit over there with you.Just if your interested High platinum protoss.
Bourne
18+ is just to avoid any legal complications, and bypass any parental crap. If you can provide evidenc ethat theres no problem, and your of a correct level of maturity (and skill) theres a place for you.
Cheers for the fast response. Guess i bet to man up and skill up. Just wondering what type of sc2 players that your going to get, Demuslim ? Dbling? Dapollo ?. Also, wondering if UK people are going to be participating in the Shropshire, telford i43 tournament at the end of august. Its moved from newbury and there is a sc2 tournament there and 2.5k is the minimum prize pool.
Demuslim lives in Cologne Germany XD,
Also you will see all the usual top UK players (Lau, Gomas, BlinG, Pureball, rANDY) I assume
On June 22 2011 09:01 DrN0 wrote: You need to be very sure this is what you want. I know you wont listen because you are excited and when excited you tend to ignore rational or dismiss it as being overly negative etc etc, I am the worst culprit of this in the world. But this is a HUGE commitment, you will need to be practising >6 hours a day and not just with each other. Bear in mind that being a pro gamer is not as fun as you would expect, in terms of pay it is minuscule and the hours are dire. May I suggest that before you do this you try the life of a pro gamer for a month before and see if you can manage it and its still what you want you may find its not for you, and its better to discover this now.
Anyways good luck, hope you do succeed but remember there is a reason the UK sc scene is so bad.
Plans for preliminary test runs have already been drawn. Financially sound, sc2 isn't about the money for me. It's about the desire to improve and exceed as much as possible.
Excited is the opposite of the emotion, caution is the first feeling. This isn't the first, nor will it be the last undertaking of such scale that i'll be part of. thanks for your concern, your voice of reason is echoing the one in my own head . Slow, steady progression is the aim here, nothing is rushed, no excited decisions. Commitment, passion and calm thoughts are the driving forces at work here.
On June 22 2011 09:01 DrN0 wrote: You need to be very sure this is what you want. I know you wont listen because you are excited and when excited you tend to ignore rational or dismiss it as being overly negative etc etc, I am the worst culprit of this in the world. But this is a HUGE commitment, you will need to be practising >6 hours a day and not just with each other. Bear in mind that being a pro gamer is not as fun as you would expect, in terms of pay it is minuscule and the hours are dire. May I suggest that before you do this you try the life of a pro gamer for a month before and see if you can manage it and its still what you want you may find its not for you, and its better to discover this now.
Anyways good luck, hope you do succeed but remember there is a reason the UK sc scene is so bad.
Plans for preliminary test runs have already been drawn. Financially sound, sc2 isn't about the money for me. It's about the desire to improve and exceed as much as possible.
Excited is the opposite of the emotion, caution is the first feeling. This isn't the first, nor will it be the last undertaking of such scale that i'll be part of. thanks for your concern, your voice of reason is echoing the one in my own head . Slow, steady progression is the aim here, nothing is rushed, no excited decisions. Commitment, passion and calm thoughts are the driving forces at work here.
Great to hear, right attitude, sounds like you know what you are doing. As long as you are ready to walk away if it all goes tits up, you are in the right frame of mind. Would love to be joining in on this because it sounds like a lot of fun, If you are short a man, and if I get shit exam results I could see myself coming. But Very small possibility, also I wouldnt be able to come if you didnt have a bowling lane locally, I am so addicted. Anyways, good luck and win some pride for the UK.
Oh and I forgot to say you need to be aware of the race of your players, you cannot only have one of a race, you would need at least 2 players of the race, so that when one starts losing the other can sit them down and deconstruct their loss so that the same bad beat doesnt occur again.
On June 22 2011 09:01 DrN0 wrote: You need to be very sure this is what you want. I know you wont listen because you are excited and when excited you tend to ignore rational or dismiss it as being overly negative etc etc, I am the worst culprit of this in the world. But this is a HUGE commitment, you will need to be practising >6 hours a day and not just with each other. Bear in mind that being a pro gamer is not as fun as you would expect, in terms of pay it is minuscule and the hours are dire. May I suggest that before you do this you try the life of a pro gamer for a month before and see if you can manage it and its still what you want you may find its not for you, and its better to discover this now.
Anyways good luck, hope you do succeed but remember there is a reason the UK sc scene is so bad.
Plans for preliminary test runs have already been drawn. Financially sound, sc2 isn't about the money for me. It's about the desire to improve and exceed as much as possible.
Excited is the opposite of the emotion, caution is the first feeling. This isn't the first, nor will it be the last undertaking of such scale that i'll be part of. thanks for your concern, your voice of reason is echoing the one in my own head . Slow, steady progression is the aim here, nothing is rushed, no excited decisions. Commitment, passion and calm thoughts are the driving forces at work here.
Great to hear, right attitude, sounds like you know what you are doing. As long as you are ready to walk away if it all goes tits up, you are in the right frame of mind. Would love to be joining in on this because it sounds like a lot of fun, If you are short a man, and if I get shit exam results I could see myself coming. But Very small possibility, also I wouldnt be able to come if you didnt have a bowling lane locally, I am so addicted. Anyways, good luck and win some pride for the UK.
Oh and I forgot to say you need to be aware of the race of your players, you cannot only have one of a race, you would need at least 2 players of the race, so that when one starts losing the other can sit them down and deconstruct their loss so that the same bad beat doesnt occur again.
Uhuh, keeping track of races
had some pretty high up e-sportsy people get in touch this evening, which brings with it a certain set of advantages and experience. So far so good.
Looks like player slots will be all full up very soon. But dont let that dissuade anybody from getting in touch! - you never know who has to drop out for x reason.
Best of luck.. I'll follow this with a ton of interest. I was just thinking to myself the other day that a few more gaming houses with high goals should be sprouting up outside of korea and around the globe as a natural progression of the exploding state of sc2 esports. I have 0 relevant experience to contribute so take everything i say with 2 pinches of salt, but I'd guess what might really help a lot is to find sponsors and start a team that's based and practices there. A sponsor could cover many essential costs like travel to tournaments and ideally relieve the pressure on the players to work to feed themselves, which takes away from practice time and gives up an edge to the korean pro houses who have the 'luxury' of dedicating all their time to practice. Also just out of curiosity would you open the doors of this house to talented players from mainland europe? imo talent and how 'personable' a player is and what they can bring to a house should be more important than whether or not they're english, but hopefully a bit of all 3 is doable.
Anyway I really hope to see something good come of this. I won't be in uk until september (gonna be in seoul actually over summer living the nerd dream or something like that) but if this house gets going you can count on me to at least pay a visit and treat all the players/any other staff for a nice meal out in Plymouth after then, to show my support
Sounds like a really cool idea. I wanted to get into playing a lot over the summer after exams and before uni. If Plymouth wasn't like a 5 hour train journey away I'd probably come down, at least to visit and meet more players. Best of luck.
On June 22 2011 10:16 Ket wrote: Best of luck.. I'll follow this with a ton of interest. I was just thinking to myself the other day that a few more gaming houses with high goals should be sprouting up outside of korea and around the globe as a natural progression of the exploding state of sc2 esports. I have 0 relevant experience to contribute so take everything i say with 2 pinches of salt, but I'd guess what might really help a lot is to find sponsors and start a team that's based and practices there. A sponsor could cover many essential costs like travel to tournaments and ideally relieve the pressure on the players to work to feed themselves, which takes away from practice time and gives up an edge to the korean pro houses who have the 'luxury' of dedicating all their time to practice. Also just out of curiosity would you open the doors of this house to talented players from mainland europe? imo talent and how 'personable' a player is and what they can bring to a house should be more important than whether or not they're english, but hopefully a bit of all 3 is doable.
Anyway I really hope to see something good come of this. I won't be in uk until september (gonna be in seoul actually over summer living the nerd dream or something like that) but if this house gets going you can count on me to at least pay a visit and treat all the players/any other staff for a nice meal out in Plymouth after then, to show my support
100% agree with you on that bit.
This isn't a UK ONLY team and every1 else stay out. It's just much easier to organise, and you don't need to fuss around with visa's etc.
Like i replied to a previous poster, if a euro/na player has the ability to move, and the paperwork to do so, that's totally fine.
Also, you can take this Reply as formal acknowledgement of your offer (which must be adhered to) of a meal. See you in september
On June 22 2011 14:58 LiteralZero wrote: If I was anywhere near masters level I would more than apply for this. This is a brilliant idea and I hope it gets somewhere big! <333 ^_^
Great oppurtunity if you want to put the effort in, bound to be a lot of bar work around there if you only needed enough work to pay the bills.
Only problem I see is where its located, soutwest coast where most lans are always so much further away, I suppose in that argument though you will be travelling/sharing lift with anoth 3-4 people if you all are going! So its not like youll be travelling long distances on your own!
On June 22 2011 15:37 Tommylew wrote: Great oppurtunity if you want to put the effort in, bound to be a lot of bar work around there if you only needed enough work to pay the bills. Only problem I see is where its located, soutwest coast where most lans are always so much further away, I suppose in that argument though you will be travelling/sharing lift with anoth 3-4 people if you all are going! So its not like youll be travelling long distances on your own!
Plymouth may soon be the venue for a large scale tournament event. I don't have specifics, but keep eyes peeled
On June 22 2011 15:52 HaeHei wrote: september 2nd should be able to get into masters in a few weeks just need start playing hardcore again been really busy lately
Add me on skype, and we can do some practice games, get your playing vs some good people, that will speed up the process, i'll help you as and where i can if you take it somewhat seriously.
Move in would be happening early late august early September, so you'd be 18 just in time for the move in.
Like i've said to others in similar positions, if you can somehow prove/show us that your 100% committed, and have the ability to relocate (as well as not being a douche) theres' a good chance of a spot. Although spots are filling up and there's an awful lot of interest already.
It's really up to you to show you want it, and want to put in the effort
Wow its kinda crazy that this is all happening two weeks before I move away from Plymouth, still, id love to take you for a pint dude sometime between 31st-7th coming up, if just to chat sc2.
On June 22 2011 16:58 Vequeth wrote: Wow its kinda crazy that this is all happening two weeks before I move away from Plymouth, still, id love to take you for a pint dude sometime between 31st-7th coming up, if just to chat sc2.
No problem, add me on skype, could do with a drink soon. Been a crazy 10 hours or so. edit: Bring my partner too? sounds like an evening!
On June 22 2011 17:27 caruso wrote: Can foreigners (in my case: Germans) apply?
I always wanted half a year abroad and that might be just the opportunity I've been waiting for. My English is pretty decent, I'm willing to play Starcraft a lot and the only thing that worries me is organizing these things from afar.
I'm 23 years old, though, would that be an age problem?
Message me, if you can't find enough Englishmen
Age isn't a problem, nationality no problem. Commitment may be a problem. Not really selling an sc2 holiday , want to give the best people, the best opportunity to flourish
I'm literally 50/50 about this. It's such a cool idea and it's an hour on the bus away from me, but still leaving home for the first time is a hard decision to make. I'm hoping this doesn't fill before I've made my mind, but I'll understand if it does, it's a sick good opportunity.
This sounds like an awesome opportunity, I'm really glad that someone is doing something like this for the UK scene, with things like this perhaps we'll soon be able to compete with the big eSports nations of Europe.
This is something that would interest me, I'm hoping to commit as much as my time as I can to practising starcraft over the next year now that I'm done with uni, but at the moment I'm not up to the required standard.
On June 22 2011 21:39 drooL wrote: this is so nice suggestion for the op: reupload the images with the TL image uploader to have them in the correct size.
Took your advice, not sure if it made any difference though. Can't tell .
On June 23 2011 00:37 thespitfire wrote: not masters or 18 but might knock on the doors if i am ever in Plymouth, hopefully when i am 18 i will be good enough to get in.
Best of luck with this. I hope this kind of oppurtunity is still around when I am at a point where I can commit to something like this if it feels right, but for now its out of the question sadly =(
On June 23 2011 01:25 nVusPip wrote: It's really good that this is happening in the UK :D hope you get some streams up after so us British peeps can see
100% going to happen
Waiting for some confirmation from one of the players. If he's a positive then we have a single slot left (short of major downfalls to a player etc)
Keep the pm's/skype add's rolling in, don't be shy
(the interest so far has been staggering, considering the thread is less than a day old yet, the number of PM's, and skype convos/replies etc just amazing. Thanks TL community! BEen great so far
On June 22 2011 07:47 Holy_AT wrote: Haven't you been promoting free living space in plymouth today ? Something defintly smells wrong and fishy here.... A mod should defintly look into this.
This sounds really very strange dont wanna see news headlines like "sexual offender gathered victims @team liquid" or something like this :S
or its some kind of loanshark ? But something is defintly wrong here, mods shoud check this out
I'm assuming people are going to trust him about as much as they trust any other random guy on the internet. For me that's taking him at face value right up to the point where he asks me to step into his windowless van.
Then it must have been my mistake I am sorry, but I defintly recalled someone offering free office space on TL for SC II and must have been my mind playing a trick recalling it was also in plymouth, I'm sorry.
Yeah, it was this guy. I just assume people aren't going to be retarded about it. If he'd specified he wanted underage people or something then I'd close but I trust adults with their own decisions.
This looks so awesome and id love to be involved but don't have the skill (Yet ) and lack the freedom to do this right now, what i would say is how many rooms you got cos I think allot of people would go down for a week or two if their was a spare place to stay.
On June 23 2011 03:05 Geordie wrote: Are any actually established english pro-gamers there, or will it all be a rag-tag bunch of aspiring master leaguers?
How many established English pro gamers are there?
Its looking more like a GM house, with a couple of highly personable, high potential masters players to finish it off.
Im 18, 19 this year just finished 6 form and play sc a lot would love to do this but my mother would most definitely not agree :D. Good luck though really refreshing to see!
and its not the nicest place either but i guess if you want to be able to afford this then you have to look low!
also job wise you'd be competing with the uni as i remember my mate trying to get part time work and he struggled due to the amount of students looking for part time work but at the end of the day your pursuing your dream and i guess something will only get in your way if you let it!
On June 23 2011 03:23 MaK UK wrote: Plymouth is litrally the cheap of the cheap
and its not the nicest place either but i guess if you want to be able to afford this then you have to look low!
also job wise you'd be competing with the uni as i remember my mate trying to get part time work and he struggled due to the amount of students looking for part time work but at the end of the day your pursuing your dream and i guess something will only get in your way if you let it!
Second hand experience man so much second hand experience.
Plymouth has changed a lot in the last 10 years, lots of money injected into it. As to the uni/student thing, thats hardly city specific, uni's tend to attract students lol
lol at the price! That has to be some the cheapest property I've seen.
Best of Luck with it hopefully we can get some more pro's into the scene!!! (Only one I can think of is the Devil/Gentleman Terran, Ben 'DeMuslim' Baker... and Apollo )
On June 23 2011 06:29 Kuhva wrote: lol at the price! That has to be some the cheapest property I've seen.
Best of Luck with it hopefully we can get some more pro's into the scene!!! (Only one I can think of is the Devil/Gentleman Terran, Ben 'DeMuslim' Baker... and Apollo )
living it up in germany :D. UK will find its place... ^^
Due to the pretty intense level of interest so far, I'll update a bit about what i/we are looking for
Each slot in the house has an Associated value assigned to it, which is a combination of various criteria: Personality - being personable, and in general easy going, respectful -has high value
Skill - Arguably the most important aspect towards Value, However if one person had enough of a "problem" in terms of group cohesion, then its very possible that the negative value they put on the other players, isn't worth their skill contribution
Ability to Commit - Players who can commit for longer time frame will add value to their slot in the house, as a result these players will receive higher priority come decision time.
So when contacting me just consider these simple things a bit, chances are if you know your a bit of an arse, its going to harm your chances :D:D
On June 23 2011 07:58 Capped wrote: Theres no reason you / denied players couldnt organise a replica sc2 house nearby, with collaborations between the two of you is there?
Just something for you all to consider here, Eleaven is the pioneer, but i doubt he's copyrighted it! :D
Not at all, if people want to take something like this on for themselves, that's fucking fantastic. Making something happen was my original goal, if this spurs more people to do things then that's amazing. Some centralisation in the UK sc2 scene would be great too.
Oh man, I would definately be interested, but alas I have "girlfriend commitments" Masters level Terran here and looking to join a British team, from Dorset...
On June 23 2011 08:44 Eeeegor wrote: Awesome initiative - hope it goes places
Never like to get excited about something before actual results show from it, but yeah.. There's enough interest, and importantly, interest from the right sort of people. I'm quietly confident that good things will come of it for those who are involved.
On June 23 2011 06:29 Kuhva wrote: lol at the price! That has to be some the cheapest property I've seen.
Best of Luck with it hopefully we can get some more pro's into the scene!!! (Only one I can think of is the Devil/Gentleman Terran, Ben 'DeMuslim' Baker... and Apollo )
On June 23 2011 08:22 Psychobabas wrote: Oh man, I would definately be interested, but alas I have "girlfriend commitments" Masters level Terran here and looking to join a British team, from Dorset...
Great initiative. Sadly i'm too shit and my girlfriend wouldn't be too happy, but i'd definitely like to come visit and have a look around for ESFI when you get settled.
On June 23 2011 21:02 Arjofski wrote: Might of been better more centrally located in the UK, but who am I to judge.
Good on you for helping out the UK SC2 community!
London: 600k for a 2 bed flat above a shop Plymouth 450k for a 5 bedroom house with a pool and an acre of land.
There's no real contest there
With events coming to Plymouth, and London being a couple of hours on the train for anything else. the location feels good, accessible. :D
London isn't central, I think he was referring to somewhere in the midlands.
London is central really. All transport links go to London, so often it's closer time-wise to many places, even if it's further distance-wise.
Pretty much, for all real intents and purposes london is central. But the premium you pay for that is quite frankly ridiculous, for some very specific things its worth it, but the rough 4x pricing increase doesn't bestow that many, if any benefits to something like this.
On June 23 2011 21:02 Arjofski wrote: Might of been better more centrally located in the UK, but who am I to judge.
Good on you for helping out the UK SC2 community!
London: 600k for a 2 bed flat above a shop Plymouth 450k for a 5 bedroom house with a pool and an acre of land.
There's no real contest there
With events coming to Plymouth, and London being a couple of hours on the train for anything else. the location feels good, accessible. :D
London isn't central, I think he was referring to somewhere in the midlands.
London is central really. All transport links go to London, so often it's closer time-wise to many places, even if it's further distance-wise.
Pretty much, for all real intents and purposes london is central. But the premium you pay for that is quite frankly ridiculous, for some very specific things its worth it, but the rough 4x pricing increase doesn't bestow that many, if any benefits to something like this.
True dat. Out of interest how many players have you had interested so far?
On June 23 2011 21:02 Arjofski wrote: Might of been better more centrally located in the UK, but who am I to judge.
Good on you for helping out the UK SC2 community!
London: 600k for a 2 bed flat above a shop Plymouth 450k for a 5 bedroom house with a pool and an acre of land.
There's no real contest there
With events coming to Plymouth, and London being a couple of hours on the train for anything else. the location feels good, accessible. :D
London isn't central, I think he was referring to somewhere in the midlands.
London is central really. All transport links go to London, so often it's closer time-wise to many places, even if it's further distance-wise.
Pretty much, for all real intents and purposes london is central. But the premium you pay for that is quite frankly ridiculous, for some very specific things its worth it, but the rough 4x pricing increase doesn't bestow that many, if any benefits to something like this.
True dat. Out of interest how many players have you had interested so far?
I've said to others "lost count at 50" - Not everyone interested is viable tho ofc But there's a healthy pool to draw from.
This look's awesome, well played for doing this, sounds like a nice place aswell, you'll have to post pics or give us an artosislike video tour.
I agree that london is way to expensive, its easy for the person who's not paying to look at it like that xD
Looking forward to seeing some of these players make it big! Someone should do a blog on how things are going to hype players aswell, would be a shame if people just forgot this was happening, sc in the uk has needed something like this for a long time.
On June 23 2011 22:52 Ren91 wrote: This look's awesome, well played for doing this, sounds like a nice place aswell, you'll have to post pics or give us an artosislike video tour.
I agree that london is way to expensive, its easy for the person who's not paying to look at it like that xD
Looking forward to seeing some of these players make it big! Someone should do a blog on how things are going to hype players aswell, would be a shame if people just forgot this was happening, sc in the uk has needed something like this for a long time.
Sure video of the moving in will most likely be done, setting up everything etc. When the list is final We'll see about some documentation and updates on progress
And your so right, it's very easy for people not involved to say "oh you should just do x" when they've got no actual first hand experience of something like this, haven't done any of the figures, haven't spent days looking round various areas, and haven't spent every waking hour sorting through everything . Let alone really acknowledging the financial risk side of things. Alas, all in good spirits anyway Nice to see all the support
On June 23 2011 23:18 ThatGuy89 wrote: wow this looks good, we must have more of a SC2 fan base here in uk then i thought im gonna keep an eye on this see how you guys do
On June 23 2011 08:22 Psychobabas wrote: Oh man, I would definately be interested, but alas I have "girlfriend commitments" Masters level Terran here and looking to join a British team, from Dorset...
On June 24 2011 02:21 SeriouR wrote: OMG! So exited for that!!!:O:O I will think about this and if I decide about it i will practise like crazy to take part on it.
Very, very nice idea.
One quick question, is the house open for people from outside the UK?
Yes, 1 player is from Greece, you just have to have good english, and ofc be able to afford the travel as well.
I think he got flights for 60 euros.. very cheap .
Ofc you'd also have to be the correct level of skill and get on with everyone add me on skype.
On June 23 2011 21:02 Arjofski wrote: Might of been better more centrally located in the UK, but who am I to judge.
Good on you for helping out the UK SC2 community!
London: 600k for a 2 bed flat above a shop Plymouth 450k for a 5 bedroom house with a pool and an acre of land.
There's no real contest there
With events coming to Plymouth, and London being a couple of hours on the train for anything else. the location feels good, accessible. :D
Well it should also be noted Plymouth is cold and damp being right next to the sea.
And london you can easily get a 3 bedroom house with garden, kitchen, full size bathroom for well under 300k(I should know I helped to buy extra 2 recently) Zone 4. if you want to go Central central you'll pay out of your arse. But i'm only 25min from victoria or london bridge so I dunno how central ppl 'need' to be.
On June 23 2011 21:02 Arjofski wrote: Might of been better more centrally located in the UK, but who am I to judge.
Good on you for helping out the UK SC2 community!
London: 600k for a 2 bed flat above a shop Plymouth 450k for a 5 bedroom house with a pool and an acre of land.
There's no real contest there
With events coming to Plymouth, and London being a couple of hours on the train for anything else. the location feels good, accessible. :D
Well it should also be noted Plymouth is cold and damp being right next to the sea.
You mean, on average having the warmest temperatures in the UK, being furthest south? I think that's what you meant! couldn't possibly be speaking out your ass xD
I went to Plymouth this past august & september and it was cold and damp and everyone told me it was like that a lot. I should really ask my sister who actually lives there hows its been throughout the year.
And london you can easily get a 3 bedroom house with garden, kitchen, full size bathroom for well under 300k(I should know I helped to buy extra 2 recently) Zone 4. if you want to go Central central you'll pay out of your arse. But i'm only 25min from victoria or london bridge so I dunno how central ppl 'need' to be.
On June 24 2011 02:38 Adeeler wrote: I added more in you reply so fast
I went to Plymouth this past august & september and it was cold and damp and everyone told me it was like that a lot. I should really ask my sister who actually lives there hows its been throughout the year.
And london you can easily get a 3 bedroom house with garden, kitchen, full size bathroom for well under 300k(I should know I helped to buy extra 2 recently) Zone 4. if you want to go Central central you'll pay out of your arse. But i'm only 25min from victoria or london bridge so I dunno how central ppl 'need' to be.
yeah I'm not sure either. but its not a big problem really . If people want to set up in London, good on them ^^ - I'd just be glad to not have to pay for it on average the prices are much much higher, and like has been said already, there really isn't much benefit for it
Some seasons there's no rain at all and 30+ every day for 2 months, other years, you get rain pretty much all summer. I hail from cambridge area, and it was the same there. It was the same in Boston (USA) and the same in the middle of france around Poitiers. Sometimes you get bad runs of weather, sometimes good. Nature man?!?!? how does it work :D:D
it snowed when i went to Jamaica :L - prolly cos its a tropical island xDDD
Weather shouldn't be a problem as long as the house has double glazing and good heating. Also ppl shouldn't need to go out anyways as they should be training.
On June 24 2011 02:54 Adeeler wrote: Weather shouldn't be a problem as long as the house has double glazing and good heating. Also ppl shouldn't need to go out anyways as they should be training.
Lol the way you speak make it seem like its the south pole or something lol! jesus, right now its like 22 degrees, suns been out all day and every1s walking around in shorts and t shirt
It's hilarious, but im just not gonna reply on the subject again haha. Thanks for the lols though :D
To be honest, being English i wouldnt feel comfortable moving to a place where i couldnt complain about the whether. Think about all the spare time you would get...
On June 24 2011 03:09 QuAnTuM314 wrote: To be honest, being English i wouldnt feel comfortable moving to a place where i couldnt complain about the whether. Think about all the spare time you would get...
spare time to.. play sc2!! my god. something must be done!
This is slightly OT Eleaven, but do you think you could hook me up with some practice partners? I've been having trouble finding people on EU who are actually willing to play with and help someone who's unranked and never played SC before. My SC2 thing is Mackem.496 if it helps.
On June 24 2011 03:42 Mackem wrote: This is slightly OT Eleaven, but do you think you could hook me up with some practice partners? I've been having trouble finding people on EU who are actually willing to play with and help someone who's unranked and never played SC before. My SC2 thing is Mackem.496 if it helps.
Cheers.
I don't know any of high skill/merit that's gonna give away time freely, but there's a channel on EU entitled "Bronze Practice" That has a whole range of skill levels that help each other out and play games.
On June 22 2011 06:42 Bourne wrote: Cheers for the fast response. Guess i bet to man up and skill up. Just wondering what type of sc2 players that your going to get, Demuslim ? Dbling? Dapollo ?. Also, wondering if UK people are going to be participating in the Shropshire, telford i43 tournament at the end of august. Its moved from newbury and there is a sc2 tournament there and 2.5k is the minimum prize pool.
Holy balls, I hadn't heard of this. I'm in Telford all the time (it's my nearest cinema venue) I'll definitely be there. Less sure about entering though - I'm low diamond with no real incentive to get better - more of a spectator.
Great news. Really want to see some major players in the pro-scene coming from the UK.
If I wasn't living with my girlfriend I'd actually be more inclined to stop laming team brackets and work on hitting mid-high masters 1v1 to be in with a shot in this house!
If things start getting rocky with her you might be hearing from me haha.
Either way goodluck with the house lads and do it for England!
On June 24 2011 04:06 jexxto wrote: Great news. Really want to see some major players in the pro-scene coming from the UK.
If I wasn't living with my girlfriend I'd actually be more inclined to stop laming team brackets and work on hitting mid-high masters 1v1 to be in with a shot in this house!
If things start getting rocky with her you might be hearing from me haha.
Either way goodluck with the house lads and do it for England!
On June 23 2011 21:02 Arjofski wrote: Might of been better more centrally located in the UK, but who am I to judge.
Good on you for helping out the UK SC2 community!
London: 600k for a 2 bed flat above a shop Plymouth 450k for a 5 bedroom house with a pool and an acre of land.
There's no real contest there
With events coming to Plymouth, and London being a couple of hours on the train for anything else. the location feels good, accessible. :D
London isn't central, I think he was referring to somewhere in the midlands.
London is central really. All transport links go to London, so often it's closer time-wise to many places, even if it's further distance-wise.
Nottingham/Derby is pretty cheap, £30-40 a room a week I would say. Birmingham isn't so much no where near London levels. scummy student accommodation its about £50 a room a week (25 a week if doing 2 per a room.) Been living in that type of house 4 years now but finally moving some where nice on the canal in July!
Those living below the Watford Junction seem to forgot about the rest England, which is shame as they are missing out on... not much tbh (Growing up in the Peak District has spoiled me )
On June 23 2011 21:02 Arjofski wrote: Might of been better more centrally located in the UK, but who am I to judge.
Good on you for helping out the UK SC2 community!
London: 600k for a 2 bed flat above a shop Plymouth 450k for a 5 bedroom house with a pool and an acre of land.
There's no real contest there
With events coming to Plymouth, and London being a couple of hours on the train for anything else. the location feels good, accessible. :D
London isn't central, I think he was referring to somewhere in the midlands.
London is central really. All transport links go to London, so often it's closer time-wise to many places, even if it's further distance-wise.
Nottingham/Derby is pretty cheap, £30-40 a room a week I would say. Birmingham isn't so much no where near London levels. scummy student accommodation its about £50 a room a week (25 a week if doing 2 per a room.) Been living in that type of house 4 years now but finally moving some where nice on the canal in July!
Those living below the Watford Junction seem to forgot about the rest England, which is shame as they are missing out on... not much tbh (Growing up in the Peak District has spoiled me )
UK has so beautiful areas, and it also has the midlands..
the top and bottom of the country are both nice imo. cumbria has its own cold windy allure, and down with the southern fairies.. yeah its pleasant here too. Never enjoy myself in the mids though haha. Probably get in trouble with friends for saying that.
Honestly, if I didnt have uni, I'd just move in for the rent. Would be amazing to find something for that cheap to live in UK :0 even if you were sharing with 8 guys, which wouldn't be too much of a problem if everyone has a shared interest in the game.
On June 24 2011 04:15 Piy wrote: Honestly, if I didnt have uni, I'd just move in for the rent. Would be amazing to find something for that cheap to live in UK :0 even if you were sharing with 8 guys, which wouldn't be too much of a problem if everyone has a shared interest in the game.
Best of luck with it
6 guys, come on man. it's not THAT sort of party..
amazing idea, i'd love to join but im gonna need alot of practice to get to the level i need to be at. Would be great to see some players from the uk competing at the highest level
On June 24 2011 18:45 Tommylew wrote: seems interested be great to see where these guys are now and how theya re in like 2-3 months!!! See how much a house like this will benefit people!!
Yah that'll be interesting to document. I'm sure it will be a learning experience for us, but also for the community.
On June 24 2011 20:39 Tsenister wrote: Electricity/Gas/Council Tax. Just make sure you know what you're getting people into before quoting a couple hundred quid a month for rent....
You speak as though people dont know what living away from home entails, have a little faith.
On June 24 2011 20:39 Tsenister wrote: Electricity/Gas/Council Tax. Just make sure you know what you're getting people into before quoting a couple hundred quid a month for rent....
You speak as though people dont know what living away from home entails, have a little faith.
I have faith. I really hope it works just for the betterment of the UK SC2 scene. We need more homebrew UK pros
On June 24 2011 20:39 Tsenister wrote: Electricity/Gas/Council Tax. Just make sure you know what you're getting people into before quoting a couple hundred quid a month for rent....
I'd give you per unit calculations for electric and gas, but its not that important unless your involved and interested in the behind the scenes process. There's a lot of effort put in, and it would be very odd to overlook something like "electricity costs money" This isnt a 13 year old trying to arrange a club house for his teen pals. Everyone is 20-24. Within that age range people have lived in different places and understand bills.
If you'd like to verify stuff with your own sums that's cool though. There's plenty of websites where you can look at property, regional energy/water prices, council tax bands for the area etc.
a 4-5th person "double" checking the sums isnt a problem to me
Then divide those numbers by 4 to get per week totals, and then split that 6 ways, and things end up very cheap.
On June 24 2011 02:54 Adeeler wrote: Weather shouldn't be a problem as long as the house has double glazing and good heating. Also ppl shouldn't need to go out anyways as they should be training.
So saying that at this house you will not be allowed to actually go out on a night and or enjoying the weather just because your trying to go pro? I dont think you need to spend every minute of your walking day trainng when your trying to make a career out of something.
this is really exciting i wish i was ina situation where i could look into this. As for the gas/electric/council tax I only pay the equivilent of £160 ish a month for both. I dunno how rates vary across the country, and i only live in a 2 bedroom house so it'll probably be a bit more for this, but even if it was £200 a month for both, youre lookin at £50 per person. I think thats pretty reasonable per person tbh.
@geordie i dont think its like that. Unless you live in korea, no pro gamer spends all day every day training imo. You'd get sick of it if you did that, you need times to go out and stuff.
I think youre doing a great job Eleaven, everytime someone asks someone you just answer it really prefessionaly and completely accurately. I think your doing Esports a massive favour, and the UK too :D keep up the good work mate and i hope this doesnt fall through or get runied by some prick who wont pay bills on time or just dicks about and doesnt commit enough and doesnt tidy up and stuff. Pisses me off when my GF does that and i can control her lol if youre living with randoms who technically you have no control over it could get a bit sticky :/
all the best anyway, hope this turns out to be really successful :D
On June 25 2011 23:11 ThatGuy89 wrote: this is really exciting i wish i was ina situation where i could look into this. As for the gas/electric/council tax I only pay the equivilent of £160 ish a month for both. I dunno how rates vary across the country, and i only live in a 2 bedroom house so it'll probably be a bit more for this, but even if it was £200 a month for both, youre lookin at £50 per person. I think thats pretty reasonable per person tbh.
@geordie i dont think its like that. Unless you live in korea, no pro gamer spends all day every day training imo. You'd get sick of it if you did that, you need times to go out and stuff.
I think youre doing a great job Eleaven, everytime someone asks someone you just answer it really prefessionaly and completely accurately. I think your doing Esports a massive favour, and the UK too :D keep up the good work mate and i hope this doesnt fall through or get ruined by some prick who wont pay bills on time or just dicks about and doesnt commit enough and doesnt tidy up and stuff. Pisses me off when my GF does that and i can control her lol if youre living with randoms who technically you have no control over it could get a bit sticky :/
all the best anyway, hope this turns out to be really successful :D
Hey thanks for the support there .
I'm currently in the process of writing up a legally sound all party pleasing contract that should help deter any "dicking around" with finances etc. The players coming are all aware of the opportunity, and you have to be taking sc very seriously to even consider something like this. Naturally i'm not expecting the worst, but Id be an absolute fool to not protect myself from the myriad of problems that people could try to cause. (especially with the rise of compensation culture in the last 7-8 years)
And to be quite frank If anyone was having some strange problem causing thoughts, I'd hope that "peer pressure" from the 5 other guys they'd be letting down will stop anything like a refusal to pay rent. It would be such an odd scenario, but one out of thousands that has to be considered, and plans put in place to limit the damage any one player could cause.
Personally I like all the guys who've come forward so far, and I'm genuinely excited about all of this, but just a couple more weeks of emotionless organising and revising/double checking of everything will help make this whole process so much more pleasant for any player coming along .
Regarding your comment on the all day every day thing. In my opinion you are absolutely right, it's bad for your mindset if you have no other distractions or things to enjoy, like exercise or a social life. Of course practising starcraft is a priority for anybody who wants to take part, but rarely is doing one thing so much, that it starts to exclude everything else that makes the normal person happy a good thing. It's just destructive.
This reply is a little longer than i originally intended for a Saturday afternoon, but i hope some people appreciate the transparency . If this proves successful I'd like all of my experience with this to be available to help others achieve the same, or more. And if some terrible unforeseen events cause its failure? Well total transparency should ward others away from the same mistakes. (not that i believe any are being made )
Sounds like a really great idea, looking forward to see how it turns out for sure! I'm not in a position where I'd be looking to contact you to apply to live in the house but, I'd be quite happy to be a practice partner if you are going to need one; I am of the level you specified in the OP with a high scope for improvement. Drop me a pm for my username and identifier should you wish to take me up on the offer!
Jeez, This sounds like an amazing idea. I'm trying to move out of Brighton at the moment and if I was anywhere near as good as you guys i'd be all over this.
Hopefully you guys might throw a few events or something. I hope this is the start of something big
On June 26 2011 03:10 Carti wrote: Jeez, This sounds like an amazing idea. I'm trying to move out of Brighton at the moment and if I was anywhere near as good as you guys i'd be all over this.
Hopefully you guys might throw a few events or something. I hope this is the start of something big
This really does sound exciting. I would look to potentially get involved in this but it seems as though you have sorted out the people that will be involved already? It is also too early for me to confirm anything but should somebody drop out and/or I get to a stage where I am 100% ready to confirm a month or so down the line I would love to have a good chat about all of this to potentially get involved. Will add you on skype for a chat / perhaps play a few games if that is cool with you?
On June 26 2011 04:33 Baz wrote: This really does sound exciting. I would look to potentially get involved in this but it seems as though you have sorted out the people that will be involved already? It is also too early for me to confirm anything but should somebody drop out and/or I get to a stage where I am 100% ready to confirm a month or so down the line I would love to have a good chat about all of this to potentially get involved. Will add you on skype for a chat / perhaps play a few games if that is cool with you?
Just chiming to add my support and interest in the project. I'm nowhere near of the level to join but I hope it all goes well for all involved and would love to see some tournaments :-)
I would be interested but am only 16 and college -- However, if you guys in the house want to hit me up in the house I'm a top 8 master zerg player merth.402
Woah, there's actually a SC2 scene in Telford, I knew about the iSeries coming here but I genuinely thought that I was the only person in Telford who played SC2.
If only I had my own flat, HomeStory Telford edition would be so bro, sometime during iSeries.
On June 26 2011 11:05 MrSnibbles wrote: Woah, there's actually a SC2 scene in Telford, I knew about the iSeries coming here but I genuinely thought that I was the only person in Telford who played SC2.
If only I had my own flat, HomeStory Telford edition would be so bro, sometime during iSeries.
Yah seems like we have small pockets of sc2 dotted around the place. It'll be fun to see if it all starts clumping together into something much better than what we have now.
Starcraft 2 grows with popularity at the iseries after each event. I'll be there in August to get my game on and hopefully meet a few TL community members there.
On June 26 2011 23:13 StarBrift wrote: Great initiative. Hopefully sometime in the future there will be 3-4 progamer houses in ever country so that the community can really flourish.
You've inspired me to pull up my esport socks and work toward something similar in Canada. Hoping everything works out for you and I look forward to following the developments here!
Consider me! I am 27 and have a huge passion for the game, I am Masters and been playing since beta and competing in UK tournaments like the esl pro league.
On July 01 2011 19:26 aka_star wrote: Consider me! I am 27 and have a huge passion for the game, I am Masters and been playing since beta and competing in UK tournaments like the esl pro league.
Skype me as I_Davo
Tidus told me a little about you. I've added you to skype but im going to be doing some work today. I waited around a bit but apparently ur also at work?
This sounds pretty sick, best of luck to everyone who does move in etc... keep us updated if you're planning any LAN's in the local area etc and i'll be right over to get spanked by the Masters guys..
On July 06 2011 11:09 ReTrY wrote: This sounds pretty sick, best of luck to everyone who does move in etc... keep us updated if you're planning any LAN's in the local area etc and i'll be right over to get spanked by the Masters guys..
Im very interested in this. I'm 18 and i feel i can excel well in the environment you're offering. Currently diamond but should make masters by the deadline pretty easily . Feel free to skype me on Chris.Waszczuk
On July 07 2011 07:28 WaZz wrote: Im very interested in this. I'm 18 and i feel i can excel well in the environment you're offering. Currently diamond but should make masters by the deadline pretty easily . Feel free to skype me on Chris.Waszczuk
Idra Sums it up nicely.
"Until the very very top, in almost anything, all that matters is how much work you put in. The only problem is most people can't work hard, even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for."
Unless you're already putting in full days of practice in the comfort of your own home, it's going to be EXTREMELY difficult to get used to that sort of routine in a completely new environment.
Playing sc2 all day isn't easy, takes a ton of motivation, and the sort of people that are that motivated are already doing it!
So, keep working hard if you already are, and you should rank up in no time.
I would be very keen to contribute to this venture, not necessarily by participating as a player or member in the house but through helping manage logistics, perhaps website or filling gaps in organisation where needed, I will catch you on skype to see if you think there are possibilities around those areas.
Great venture and I will be following this thread closely to see how you get on.
Interesting, i'm sure many people would dream of something like this, maybe when I am a little older and my chains have been taken off from the parents.
However, GL finding a team. This is pretty cool for the UK to see.
bloody hell I cant believe it is happening, good luck you guys going in the house, hoping to see some next Demuslims that are that different level to our other GM and master players!!!!
Hah! If only I was better Btw I'm at Cambridge Uni next year so if anyone's in the Cambridgeshire area and fancies putting up a few get togethers then let me know!
On August 04 2011 17:29 Tommylew wrote: So now Eleaven is unbanned any update on this? Surely someone else should know?
has it gone down? Any improvements already? lol
They are paying for the house this Saturday and the 2 English players will move in immediately with the foreign players moving in at the start of next month I believe
oh are they top foreign players or just random people who want to get better? Any names or do they not want to release that yet? Be great to see their progress in time!!!
On August 04 2011 20:31 Tommylew wrote: oh are they top foreign players or just random people who want to get better? Any names or do they not want to release that yet? Be great to see their progress in time!!!
I wont give names as not sure if they want it known yet, but they are GM, so not just some random players
If you get off the ground, you should consider hosting some events/lans or whatever. The UK scene is so dead and i just wish i could attend some live events fairly close by and from Brighton to Plymouth isnt that far.
If you need any other help with anything from Casting to managing your Web presence and other stuff i can help. Just PM me ingame or on TL.net. Starzbrain.846
Keep up the good work and i hope to see you guys in some mayjor events soon.
This. Sounds. Awesome. I'm studying in London for three months starting in September, so if you guys ever need a masters player to buy some beers I'd love to come check the house out ;D
On August 10 2011 05:53 GimbleB wrote: Ok, so some major shit just went down regarding the teamhouse.
Over the past few weeks, Dan (Eleaven) hasn’t been online that much, but the times he was online, he reassured us that things were moving along smoothly and that we’d start moving down to him so we could find a place together. He also mentioned an un-named sponsor possibly providing help to pay rent (we had originally all planned to pay our % of the rent).
So while I’m in the middle of getting my visa sorted for Raleigh, Dan comes online on for the first time in a couple of days and says
Group B John Campbell Alex Y. Mike Griffiths David Barett Darren Hazelden Jordan Williams
Group A are to move in between August 25-September-30th. It's unlikely that group B will be moving in.
Group A was determined by activity level/ongoing effort/enthusiasm/help and discussion. Wasn't an enjoyable decision to make.
I'm going to be away between August 9th-15th, but emails do go to my phone. If you feel you've been wrongly placed feel free to email me to explain why.
feint.kr@gmail.com
He then logs offline and leaves the conversation on skype. Several things came up afterwards amongst the people in the skype conversation (we’d had it opened since around the time this thread started).
1. Dan was actively talking to the people in Group A about what was going on, but made no mention of this until now.
2. Who were John Campbell and Jordan Williams (I might’ve talked to her on bnet at one point?)? Nobody else had heard of these people until now.
3. What determined “activity level/ongoing effort/enthusiasm/help and discussion”? I might not have taken part in every conversation, but I was reading and letting people know that I had read them. This was in part due to being busy practicing and playing in tournaments (I also couldn’t move until after I got back from Raleigh). One of the guys in group B was about to hand in his notice for work and another had already purchased his plane ticket.
4. Erik explained that the sponsor was only willing to pay for 4 people (including Dan) and that despite everyone being willing to pay our own rent, they were only going with 4 people.
It’s worth noting that Erik has been great with explaining the situation and what’s happening (Lewis and Paul were afk when Dan dropped the bomb on this) and I personally wish him the best. From what Erik and Paul have said since, they aren’t happy about the way we were told either (Lewis is still afk at the writing of this post).
It’s sad that something that seemed to be going so well turned out like this. Alex, Darren and I are talking about setting up a separate house (possibly in the Newcastle area). If anyone is interested, send me a PM and we’ll get a group set up to talk about it. We’ll likely start a new thread for this tomorrow if people show interest.
At the end of the day, I’ll be trying to get back into a good practice regimen and competing. Hopefully this serves as a lesson so people can learn from our mistakes.
WTF this looked like an awesome thing and now it has gone south fast l really don't know what to say but I hope things work out for those who are involved and who were going to commit to this but have been turned away at the last moment.
Gimble, i said a while back that this was a retarded idea, much like a stranger asking you if you like smarties and want to stroke his "puppy" in his mystery van.
It is no suprise that a non entity in the uk community has come up with shit that is not viable/trustworthy, yet astoundingly you all jumped in the van to then realise that there were indeed no puppies nor aformentioned smarties but indeed a raging rapist waiting to pounce.
The UK community is very small indeed, i think the community is so tight knit that we all know each other through the community site at ukstarcraft.net and all the events such as Iseries TEC ECL etc.
Unless someone is completely legit and known, then it's naive to believe someone who no one has heard of to live with them, this farce is going to make the UK scene look like a complete joke and the quicker this gets sorted and forgotten about the better. I dont feel sorry for those being duped, as they are fools to be "hook, lined & sinkered" in the first place.
However if you and your mates are setting up a place that sounds like a good idea, and a much safer one, you should have went for this option first, it's sad that it took for all of this for you to realise it however.
Did seem a bit too good to be true, i feel bad for the guys strung along by this, best of luck setting up your own house if thats what you chose to do.
@Leon, you were right and like I said at the time, I was prepared for this to go badly and thus didn't have anything invested until I was to actually move in. But you're right, this does make us look bad, maybe we'll still have something good come out of it.
The Newcastle(?) house will be done by the group as opposed to one person in charge, so hopefully we can avoid bullshit like this again.
This is being done by the group gimble, You have made 0 effort to be a part of the group, as you yourself just said (nothing invested) I've been online every evening that I haven't been working.
There is no drama here, people who get told no will always find ways to rationalise it in other ways. I'd do the same.
The group is fine, the world isn't on fire, and we have the right people involved.
On August 10 2011 07:00 Eleaven wrote: This is being done by the group gimble, You have made 0 effort to be a part of the group, as you yourself just said (nothing invested) I've been online every evening that I haven't been working.
There is no drama here, people who get told no will always find ways to rationalise it in other ways. I'd do the same.
The group is fine, the world isn't on fire, and we have the right people involved.
Can you explain why one of the guys have bought a plane ticket and some one else was about to quit his job? Surely they didn't do this to create drama.
Surely you could of told them in a more professional way rather then uploading a txt file and linking them. Doesn't matter if you have the right people but if you have lead others on and handled this way your going to have zero community back.
On August 10 2011 07:00 Eleaven wrote: This is being done by the group gimble, You have made 0 effort to be a part of the group, as you yourself just said (nothing invested) I've been online every evening that I haven't been working.
There is no drama here, people who get told no will always find ways to rationalise it in other ways. I'd do the same.
The group is fine, the world isn't on fire, and we have the right people involved.
In gimble's defense you made it sound from the beginning like this was going to be a group of people paying their own way living the dream.
To me it seemed like a place where you could pursue this dream without having to worry about the expectations of a sponsor. Now it just seems like another progaming house where results will be expected.
Beyond this, why would a sponsor require you to only have 4 people? Why can't other people join in and pay their way, which seemed like the original intent. Just looks like you're making this into some exclusive team.
Money corrupts, I guess. Still awesome that you were able to organize a new team, wish it was under better circumstances. I was really looking forward to this.
On August 10 2011 07:00 Eleaven wrote: This is being done by the group gimble, You have made 0 effort to be a part of the group, as you yourself just said (nothing invested) I've been online every evening that I haven't been working.
There is no drama here, people who get told no will always find ways to rationalise it in other ways. I'd do the same.
The group is fine, the world isn't on fire, and we have the right people involved.
In gimble's defense you made it sound from the beginning like this was going to be a group of people paying their own way living the dream.
To me it seemed like a place where you could pursue this dream without having to worry about the expectations of a sponsor. Now it just seems like another progaming house where results will be expected.
Beyond this, why would a sponsor require you to only have 4 people? Why can't other people join in and pay their way, which seemed like the original intent. Just looks like you're making this into some exclusive team.
Money corrupts, I guess. Still awesome that you were able to organize a new team, wish it was under better circumstances. I was really looking forward to this.
So many assumptions! slow down.
Group A consists of the people who have actively put in effort to form some level of friendships with others in the group(and actively play the game). We all agree that once we have a fully functioning and stable core, we can expand if the benefit is there.
If by exclusive team you mean, people who actually show SOME effort towards their "passion" then yes, it's exclusive, for the good of the people who actually care.
Answering a couple of questions with one word answers, and then making no attempt to chat, or play with anyone else in the group isn't a great sign. If that simple level of effort can't be shown, what else do i have to go on? Why should i take the chance of worsening the environment by including someone who's just along for the ride and doesn't really care.
Perhaps gimble did care, but he didn't make any attempt at showing it, and when we have people taking a lot of effort to get here, i don't want to let them down by including people who can't be bothered to invest even a small bit of time.
On August 10 2011 07:00 Eleaven wrote: This is being done by the group gimble, You have made 0 effort to be a part of the group, as you yourself just said (nothing invested) I've been online every evening that I haven't been working.
There is no drama here, people who get told no will always find ways to rationalise it in other ways. I'd do the same.
The group is fine, the world isn't on fire, and we have the right people involved.
In gimble's defense you made it sound from the beginning like this was going to be a group of people paying their own way living the dream.
To me it seemed like a place where you could pursue this dream without having to worry about the expectations of a sponsor. Now it just seems like another progaming house where results will be expected.
Beyond this, why would a sponsor require you to only have 4 people? Why can't other people join in and pay their way, which seemed like the original intent. Just looks like you're making this into some exclusive team.
Money corrupts, I guess. Still awesome that you were able to organize a new team, wish it was under better circumstances. I was really looking forward to this.
So many assumptions! slow down.
Group A consists of the people who have actively put in effort to form some level of friendships with others in the group. We all agree that once we have a fully functioning and stable core, we can expand if the benefit is there.
If by exclusive team you mean, people who actually show SOME effort towards their "passion" then yes, it's exclusive, for the good of the people who actually care.
Answering a couple of questions with one word answers, and then making no attempt to chat, or play with anyone else in the group isn't a great sign. If that simple level of effort can't be shown, what else do i have to go on? Why should i take the chance of worsening the environment by including someone who's just along for the ride and doesn't really care.
Perhaps gimble did care, but he didn't make any attempt at showing it, and when we have people taking a lot of effort to get here, i don't want to let them down by including people who can't be bothered to invest even a small bit of time.
I hope this makes sense.
It does. Thank you for taking the time to respond. Gimble had made it sound like he got royally shafted and I wasnt able to see your post after his while typing my original response up. Unfortunate in any case, but thank you again for clearing this up. Was setting up to be really disappointed
On August 10 2011 07:00 Eleaven wrote: This is being done by the group gimble, You have made 0 effort to be a part of the group, as you yourself just said (nothing invested) I've been online every evening that I haven't been working.
There is no drama here, people who get told no will always find ways to rationalise it in other ways. I'd do the same.
The group is fine, the world isn't on fire, and we have the right people involved.
Can you explain why one of the guys have bought a plane ticket and some one else was about to quit his job? Surely they didn't do this to create drama.
Surely you could of told them in a more professional way rather then uploading a txt file and linking them. Doesn't matter if you have the right people but if you have lead others on and handled this way your going to have zero community back.
The only guy with a job, is handing his notice in next weekend, and then after the contractual 4 weeks, he'll be joining us. The guy with a plane ticket from Athens to London is also on board. There really is no drama, it's just easier to deflect than to accept.
I wish the guys who didn't make it all the best, and if you remember from the original post 2+ months ago, one of my hopes was that other people would finally take the initiative to start their own houses and get practising! It's great for sc2 and the UK scene if they want to put that level of effort in!
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Oh as to the sponsor paying 4 people point in gimble's post i have absolutely NO IDEA where that came from 0_o, nothing like that has ever been said, and i've maintained from day one, that if we are to get ANY support from a sponsor, it would only be once we have something to offer.
On August 10 2011 07:00 Eleaven wrote: This is being done by the group gimble, You have made 0 effort to be a part of the group, as you yourself just said (nothing invested) I've been online every evening that I haven't been working.
There is no drama here, people who get told no will always find ways to rationalise it in other ways. I'd do the same.
The group is fine, the world isn't on fire, and we have the right people involved.
Can you explain why one of the guys have bought a plane ticket and some one else was about to quit his job? Surely they didn't do this to create drama.
Surely you could of told them in a more professional way rather then uploading a txt file and linking them. Doesn't matter if you have the right people but if you have lead others on and handled this way your going to have zero community back.
The only guy with a job, is handing his notice in next weekend, and then after the contractual 4 weeks, he'll be joining us. The guy with a plane ticket from Athens to London is also on board. There really is no drama, it's just easier to deflect than to accept.
I wish the guys who didn't make it all the best, and if you remember from the original post 2+ months ago, one of my hopes was that other people would finally take the initiative to start their own houses and get practising! It's great for sc2 and the UK scene if they want to put that level of effort in!
Fair enough all I needed was it explained, but still sounds like you broke the news the worst way possible, I hope you understand that if you took the time to explain to them you would of not had these issues.
On August 10 2011 07:00 Eleaven wrote: This is being done by the group gimble, You have made 0 effort to be a part of the group, as you yourself just said (nothing invested) I've been online every evening that I haven't been working.
There is no drama here, people who get told no will always find ways to rationalise it in other ways. I'd do the same.
The group is fine, the world isn't on fire, and we have the right people involved.
Can you explain why one of the guys have bought a plane ticket and some one else was about to quit his job? Surely they didn't do this to create drama.
Surely you could of told them in a more professional way rather then uploading a txt file and linking them. Doesn't matter if you have the right people but if you have lead others on and handled this way your going to have zero community back.
The only guy with a job, is handing his notice in next weekend, and then after the contractual 4 weeks, he'll be joining us. The guy with a plane ticket from Athens to London is also on board. There really is no drama, it's just easier to deflect than to accept.
I wish the guys who didn't make it all the best, and if you remember from the original post 2+ months ago, one of my hopes was that other people would finally take the initiative to start their own houses and get practising! It's great for sc2 and the UK scene if they want to put that level of effort in!
Fair enough all I needed was it explained, but still sounds like you broke the news the worst way possible, I hope you understand that if you took the time to explain to them you would of not had these issues.
I'd spoken to everyone other than gimble days (and weeks) before hand about my concerns. It's almost (almost) funny, that the issue with gimble is that it's simply been impossible to get him to commit more than a yes or a no. I didn't want to assume the role of armchair psychologist and try to make him "open up to the group" the opportunity to be involved was there, and has been taken by 5 (out of 6) of the main contenders.
Thanks for listening to my point of view, i'll take your criticism on board. there are reasons for my shortness, but i'll not make excuses. I can understand gimble's frustration, and i hope he understands mine.
On August 10 2011 07:00 Eleaven wrote: This is being done by the group gimble, You have made 0 effort to be a part of the group, as you yourself just said (nothing invested) I've been online every evening that I haven't been working.
There is no drama here, people who get told no will always find ways to rationalise it in other ways. I'd do the same.
The group is fine, the world isn't on fire, and we have the right people involved.
Can you explain why one of the guys have bought a plane ticket and some one else was about to quit his job? Surely they didn't do this to create drama.
Surely you could of told them in a more professional way rather then uploading a txt file and linking them. Doesn't matter if you have the right people but if you have lead others on and handled this way your going to have zero community back.
The only guy with a job, is handing his notice in next weekend, and then after the contractual 4 weeks, he'll be joining us. The guy with a plane ticket from Athens to London is also on board. There really is no drama, it's just easier to deflect than to accept.
I wish the guys who didn't make it all the best, and if you remember from the original post 2+ months ago, one of my hopes was that other people would finally take the initiative to start their own houses and get practising! It's great for sc2 and the UK scene if they want to put that level of effort in!
Fair enough all I needed was it explained, but still sounds like you broke the news the worst way possible, I hope you understand that if you took the time to explain to them you would of not had these issues.
I'd spoken to everyone other than gimble days (and weeks) before hand about my concerns. It's almost (almost) funny, that the issue with gimble is that it's simply been impossible to get him to commit more than a yes or a no. I didn't want to assume the role of armchair psychologist and try to make him "open up to the group" the opportunity to be involved was there, and has been taken by 5 (out of 6) of the main contenders.
Thanks for listening to my point of view, i'll take your criticism on board. there are reasons for my shortness, but i'll not make excuses. I can understand gimble's frustration, and i hope he understands mine.
Just be responsible TBH a lot of these guys have been looking forward to getting involved in this and breaking the news that way is harsh not the fact that you had to make a hard call just they way it was delivered. I may be having a go but I still support projects like this cause it's what the UK needs.
I will try to give an objective statement on the stuff that has happened tonight. For those of you who don't know who I am, I am Erik Ramquist, aka Seala, one of the "group A" members of the house.
Mistakes were made by more then one person but overall it has not been nearly as dramatic as this thread makes it out to be. The only people this decision really affected was Gimble and Darren Hazelden as far as I know, all the others mentioned in group B were not even taking part in our discussions about the house or in any other way helped with this. Gimble and Darren were both present at discussions but hardly took part to be honest, even though I've been very active in our various chats I feel like I've hardly talked to Gimble or Darren at all compared to the other 4, so if I were to "boot" 2 out of the group those would be the obvious choice.
However I think it was poorly handeld by Dan (Eleaven) I told him earlier that he really should tell people as early as possible if they were not going to come. I think what happened is that Dan simply pushed it ahead of him because it's obviously both a hard decision to make and a diffcult thing to tell people. Because of personal reasons I won't say here Dan thought he would have to go away for a few days so that's probably why he rushed to tell people what was going on before leaving, it was perhaps not the smoothest way he could've told them but overall I think it was an overreaction from Gimble.
@Eleaven I said from the very beginning that I couldn't go down until September. I was reading the Skype conversations and saying that I was ok with everything you were planning. The times I wasn't around when people were talking, I went through what I missed and was up to date on what was happening. I joined in when people talked and was of the mindset "these seem like cool guys, but I'll focus on sorting out everything I need to do before I go down first."
People talked about playing games, but I rarely saw anyone on-line. The channel that was made for us to hang out in ended up with just me in it. I didn't have long conversations with people, that's true, but neither did I refuse to talk to anyone. I decided to spend my time trying to get good enough that I could actually make a worthwhile practice partner.
I will admit that I did not take this well. But after having been trying to get my level of play to a decent level (I've been playing on NA to prep for geforce/MLG), been talking when others were (I don't talk a lot normally) and been thinking how great it would be to live with you guys and how far we could get, it was pretty horrific to see you post a "these people are unlikely to make it into the house" and then log off. For the past couple of months this has been something I've been looking forward to and I had zero indication that there was anything wrong.
With regards to the yes or no mindset, I am a laid back person most of the time. So if I don't have a problem with anything, I won't voice any concerns. Everything you were saying about the plans to move in somewhere, I was happy with. If I seemed reserved at any point, it was due to - having nearly been conned before on-line (I didn't lose anything) and due to being busy playing in tournaments and practising on ladder.
The number 4 comes from "Well since Dan decided to just leave that there and then head off I will fill you in on what I know I guess, he decided to cut down on the house so that it's just 4 people because apparently it's ALOT cheaper," that was said after you left skype.
I'll delete the post now since it seems to have stemmed from mis-information and me getting angry due to that. I've calmed down a lot now, but I wish someone had said something to me. Spending 2 months going "fuck yeah, I'm going to move into a gaming house and it'll be the best thing ever" only to have it seemingly torn out from under you with an explanation of "you didn't care enough" was mortifying.
On August 10 2011 08:11 GimbleB wrote: @Eleaven I said from the very beginning that I couldn't go down until September. I was reading the Skype conversations and saying that I was ok with everything you were planning. The times I wasn't around when people were talking, I went through what I missed and was up to date on what was happening. I joined in when people talked and was of the mindset "these seem like cool guys, but I'll focus on sorting out everything I need to do before I go down first."
People talked about playing games, but I rarely saw anyone on-line. The channel that was made for us to hang out in ended up with just me in it. I didn't have long conversations with people, that's true, but neither did I refuse to talk to anyone. I decided to spend my time trying to get good enough that I could actually make a worthwhile practice partner.
I will admit that I did not take this well. But after having been trying to get my level of play to a decent level (I've been playing on NA to prep for geforce/MLG), been talking when others were (I don't talk a lot normally) and been thinking how great it would be to live with you guys and how far we could get, it was pretty horrific to see you post a "these people are unlikely to make it into the house" and then log off. For the past couple of months this has been something I've been looking forward to and I had zero indication that there was anything wrong.
With regards to the yes or no mindset, I am a laid back person most of the time. So if I don't have a problem with anything, I won't voice any concerns. Everything you were saying about the plans to move in somewhere, I was happy with. If I seemed reserved at any point, it was due to - having nearly been conned before on-line (I didn't lose anything) and due to being busy playing in tournaments and practising on ladder.
The number 4 comes from "Well since Dan decided to just leave that there and then head off I will fill you in on what I know I guess, he decided to cut down on the house so that it's just 4 people because apparently it's ALOT cheaper," that was said after you left skype.
I'll delete the post now since it seems to have stemmed from mis-information and me getting angry due to that. I've calmed down a lot now, but I wish someone had said something to me. Spending 2 months going "fuck yeah, I'm going to move into a gaming house and it'll be the best thing ever" only to have it seemingly torn out from under you with an explanation of "you didn't care enough" was mortifying.
It's really a horrible situation, with limited options to correct it. I simply hope that you succeed with your ambitions, and get your house going with your friends. Once You, and I are set up, It'd be great to use the houses as a friendly practice rivalry.
It's an unfortunate combination of misinformation and miscommunication, for which I'm genuinely upset about, but I feel there is little that can be done to rectify it. For what it's worth I appreciate and respect your honesty tonight.
Yeah, I hope we can both go forward from this too. I don't know if this could be rectified, but I hope that no long lasting harm comes from this either and that we can both work together to help push esports in the UK forward.
UK Sc2 Has been bubbling quietly for a long time now, never really making any breakthroughs. Right now there is a feeling going around that there's a lot of “almost there” players, looking for an opportunity to live Sc2.
For a few lucky people, this may just be that chance!)
If thats the case maybe you should edit the original post to say "EU SC2 has been bubbling"
And for the not classy part? rich coming from a man who tells people they can't join the house via text document then goes AFK...stay classy San Diego.
UK Sc2 Has been bubbling quietly for a long time now, never really making any breakthroughs. Right now there is a feeling going around that there's a lot of “almost there” players, looking for an opportunity to live Sc2.
For a few lucky people, this may just be that chance!)
If thats the case maybe you should edit the original post to say "EU SC2 has been bubbling"
And for the not classy part? rich coming from a man who tells people they can't join the house via text document then goes AFK...stay classy San Diego.
After having responded to everybody within a matter of minutes all night, I fail to see how and where I went "afk" I very clearly left an open channel of communication for everybody. You seem to be the only guy still on the witch-hunt here.
If the players involved are being amicable, why aren't you?
Your argument clearly has nothing left now that you're relying on semantics to dig at me, so just let it go. You'll have forgotten about this by the time you take the last sip of bedtime milk
UK Sc2 Has been bubbling quietly for a long time now, never really making any breakthroughs. Right now there is a feeling going around that there's a lot of “almost there” players, looking for an opportunity to live Sc2.
For a few lucky people, this may just be that chance!)
If thats the case maybe you should edit the original post to say "EU SC2 has been bubbling"
And for the not classy part? rich coming from a man who tells people they can't join the house via text document then goes AFK...stay classy San Diego.
Seems someone got their hopes up expecting some big drama and is now dissapointed...
Would you guys be willing to accept canadians? I would deffinatly be interested in relocating and starting fresh. I'm a master protoss and I spend alot of time everyday in custom games against other , higher skilled players than myself trying to work on mechanics and general skills. If you're interested toss me a PM and we can talk about it more.
After having responded to everybody within a matter of minutes all night, I fail to see how and where I went "afk" I very clearly left an open channel of communication for everybody. You seem to be the only guy still on the witch-hunt here.
If the players involved are being amicable, why aren't you?
Your argument clearly has nothing left now that you're relying on semantics to dig at me, so just let it go. You'll have forgotten about this by the time you take the last sip of bedtime milk
So you didn't leave a text document to those on skype and then said "back on monday"...seems pretty AFK, just saying.
And you then fail to address the point I mentioned. It seems you have changed your tune dramatically from the offset where you said it was based on helping grow the UK scene (want me to quote again?) and then go and offer a place to a swedish GM player (im sure hes a great guy and all but what about the original post about the UK players almost making it?)
That is what i was refering to by saying deviating from the plan, yet you act like the school girl and then have personal insults involving milk, pretty hypocritical. I have only pointed out facts and contradictions of the OP, yet you don't answer these and instead get personal.
I won't stoop to that level as it's sad, however since you are being tedious I will pull another golden quote from my magicians hat:
If you like the idea, but don't have the money, and feel unsafe about committing, I'd be more than happy to Have the right person come and stay for a week or so, to get a chance to see the area, and have a look for part time work (of which there is a LOT going round atm!)
Gimble stated he wanted to go and was willing, yet he didn't even get this courtesy, so i'll ask again, deviating from the original plan?
TBH with this mess i say this house will last a week tops given the terrible organisation from the start, and by throwing UK on the front of it (which you have lately pointed out that it is only location based rather than player) it will give the UK scene a bad rep.
After having responded to everybody within a matter of minutes all night, I fail to see how and where I went "afk" I very clearly left an open channel of communication for everybody. You seem to be the only guy still on the witch-hunt here.
If the players involved are being amicable, why aren't you?
Your argument clearly has nothing left now that you're relying on semantics to dig at me, so just let it go. You'll have forgotten about this by the time you take the last sip of bedtime milk
So you didn't leave a text document to those on skype and then said "back on monday"...seems pretty AFK, just saying.
And you then fail to address the point I mentioned. It seems you have changed your tune dramatically from the offset where you said it was based on helping grow the UK scene (want me to quote again?) and then go and offer a place to a swedish GM player (im sure hes a great guy and all but what about the original post about the UK players almost making it?)
That is what i was refering to by saying deviating from the plan, yet you act like the school girl and then have personal insults involving milk, pretty hypocritical. I have only pointed out facts and contradictions of the OP, yet you don't answer these and instead get personal.
I won't stoop to that level as it's sad, however since you are being tedious I will pull another golden quote from my magicians hat:
If you like the idea, but don't have the money, and feel unsafe about committing, I'd be more than happy to Have the right person come and stay for a week or so, to get a chance to see the area, and have a look for part time work (of which there is a LOT going round atm!)
Gimble stated he wanted to go and was willing, yet he didn't even get this courtesy, so i'll ask again, deviating from the original plan?
TBH with this mess i say this house will last a week tops given the terrible organisation from the start, and by throwing UK on the front of it (which you have lately pointed out that it is only location based rather than player) it will give the UK scene a bad rep.
You're flat out wrong, i can send you the chat log of me offering gimble that opportunity, and him refusing because he would be attending events during the time. If you don't think good players in tournaments in UK won't help then there's nothing convincing you. If you want a "pureblood cult" this isn't it.
Erik was a masters players when I first got in touch with him 2 months ago, and has now graduated to his deserved GM spot, if you don't see how having him as a practice partner is beneficial to the English players, then again i can't convince you.
You are looking for problems where they don't exist. If you want an all English team, go ahead and make one!
[B]On August 10 2011 09:43 Eleaven wrote: You're flat out wrong, i can send you the chat log of me offering gimble that opportunity, and him refusing because he would be attending events during the time. If you don't think good players in tournaments in UK won't help then there's nothing convincing you. If you want a "pureblood cult" this isn't it.
Erik was a masters players when I first got in touch with him 2 months ago, and has now graduated to his deserved GM spot, if you don't see how having him as a practice partner is beneficial to the English players, then again i can't convince you.
You are looking for problems where they don't exist. If you want an all English team, go ahead and make one!
Again, you miss the point entirely. he was willing to go, and was getting ready to go. He was so willing, he accepted the invitation to go down without wanting to scope the area, yet you didn't give him the courtesy of time.
Having one swedish player who only got to GM isn't going to boom the scene here, getting UK players to participate in tournaments and getting them to improve will, that is a 100% fact. Again you miss the point entirely, you changed your tune from the start and you fail to respond to this.
Plus Erik is a part of team infused, so whether he will be helping many people except his team mates is yet to be seen. You can't make the comment that him soley being here is going to help the UK SC2 community and its players, seen as though you have no clue about the scene in the first place.
Learn the scene before commenting on what it needs please.
On August 10 2011 09:43 Eleaven wrote: You're flat out wrong, i can send you the chat log of me offering gimble that opportunity, and him refusing because he would be attending events during the time. If you don't think good players in tournaments in UK won't help then there's nothing convincing you. If you want a "pureblood cult" this isn't it.
Erik was a masters players when I first got in touch with him 2 months ago, and has now graduated to his deserved GM spot, if you don't see how having him as a practice partner is beneficial to the English players, then again i can't convince you.
You are looking for problems where they don't exist. If you want an all English team, go ahead and make one!
Again, you miss the point entirely. he was willing to go, and was getting ready to go. He was so willing, he accepted the invitation to go down without wanting to scope the area, yet you didn't give him the courtesy of time.
Having one swedish player who only got to GM isn't going to boom the scene here, [b]getting UK players to participate in tournaments and getting them to improve will, that is a 100% fact. Again you miss the point entirely, you changed your tune from the start and you fail to respond to this.
Having one less English player in the house isn't going to KILL ESPORTS either, so calm down. Being willing to go isn't enough, I'd be willing to go and move to france, but I'm not putting in the effort in the correct directions to make it a possibility.
It has nothing to do with nationality, and everything to do with infrastructure. I understand if you can't see that.
Gimble has taken the time to speak with me, and even had the strength of character to admit he over reacted at first, which is more than i could have asked for. If you think having this one player will make such a difference, please go ahead and sponsor him or something, im sure the ad money from youtube is rolling in now!
edit: I really have a great respect for Gimble, but we both agree that as things stand currently, there's not much we can do together at this time.
Having one less English player in the house isn't going to KILL ESPORTS either, so calm down . Being willing to go isn't enough, I'd be willing to go and move to france, but I'm not putting in the effort in the correct directions to make it a possibility.
It has nothing to do with nationality, and everything to do with infrastructure. I understand if you can't see that.
Gimble has taken the time to speak with me, and even had the strength of character to admit he over reacted at first, which is more than i could have asked for. If you think having this one player will make such a difference, please go ahead and sponsor him or something, im sure the ad money from youtube is rolling in now!
edit: I really have a great respect for Gimble, but we both agree that as things stand currently, there's not much we can do together at this time.
Let it go Leon, you are getting silly.
This here statement sums it all up, you are clueless good luck, you will need it.
Having one less English player in the house isn't going to KILL ESPORTS either, so calm down . Being willing to go isn't enough, I'd be willing to go and move to france, but I'm not putting in the effort in the correct directions to make it a possibility.
It has nothing to do with nationality, and everything to do with infrastructure. I understand if you can't see that.
Gimble has taken the time to speak with me, and even had the strength of character to admit he over reacted at first, which is more than i could have asked for. If you think having this one player will make such a difference, please go ahead and sponsor him or something, im sure the ad money from youtube is rolling in now!
edit: I really have a great respect for Gimble, but we both agree that as things stand currently, there's not much we can do together at this time.
Let it go Leon, you are getting silly.
This here statement sums it all up, you are clueless good luck, you will need it.
Going to assume that you are extremely intoxicated from this point onwards, it's the only way to connect your comments to reality. Enjoy the e-fame bro!
On August 10 2011 10:51 Munro wrote: What I think Gimble should now do is his own version of this, preferably located in Glasgow. I believe this would be pretty popular.
Would be rather epic, shame I couldn't join it but would help out the Scottish players who would find this much easier to commit to.
On August 10 2011 10:51 Munro wrote: What I think Gimble should now do is his own version of this, preferably located in Glasgow. I believe this would be pretty popular.
Would be rather epic, shame I couldn't join it but would help out the Scottish players who would find this much easier to commit to.
I think he was considering Newcastle, It'd be fun to have a friendly practice rivalry that spanned the entire country though !
Despite the epic controversy in this thread, I really think this house will be great for Starcraft and for everyone involved. From reading Eleaven's posts, he seems to be well organized and spoken so I'm sure everything will be sorted out.
On August 10 2011 12:06 silentrealm wrote: Despite the epic controversy in this thread, I really think this house will be great for Starcraft and for everyone involved. From reading Eleaven's posts, he seems to be well organized and spoken so I'm sure everything will be sorted out.
GL and HF
This made even ME question whether i'd unwittingly created a new account and posted LOL.
Lost a lot of respect for Leon from his posts in this thread. From what has clearly been written in this thread, all disputes have been resolved and we look to be on the path to something great for the UK scene. Yet apparently LeonStarcraft is determined to throw a spanner in the works. Certainly won't be watching his stream in future.
Anyways good luck Eleaven, hopefully if you ever choose to expand I will be free and available to commit this time!
Yeah I don't really see what Leon is getting on about, there's no issues at the moment and Dan has been nothing but proffesional other then the way he handled letting these players go. Trying to create drama where there is none isn't going to work out.
On August 10 2011 10:20 LeonStarcraft wrote: Having one swedish player who only got to GM isn't going to boom the scene here
Plus Erik is a part of team infused, so whether he will be helping many people except his team mates is yet to be seen. You can't make the comment that him soley being here is going to help the UK SC2 community and its players, seen as though you have no clue about the scene in the first place.
Watch me! And while yes it's true that I am part of team Infused I don't see how that affects me the house at all. Even if we live and practice together we will not be spending 12 hours a day in practice games with each other, there will be plenty of time to practice with both the people in the house, the people on Infused aswell as playing tournament.
On August 10 2011 15:38 Westy wrote: Lost a lot of respect for Leon from his posts in this thread. From what has clearly been written in this thread, all disputes have been resolved and we look to be on the path to something great for the UK scene. Yet apparently LeonStarcraft is determined to throw a spanner in the works. Certainly won't be watching his stream in future.
Anyways good luck Eleaven, hopefully if you ever choose to expand I will be free and available to commit this time!
+1, this is ONLY Good for sc2, the fact that someone who is so involved in the community can't see this is just... crazy :/
I've been looking forward to seeing what was going to happen, glad that all the shit's been wiped and gl to all involved!
hope you guys do well, not sure why Leon seems to be so bitter, so what if one player is swedish, he plays for a UK team now and the more the merrier. He probably wil have to spend some time playing with infused memebers but he also wil have time to help people in the house.
Hoping that the UK scene with this house and in general improves a lot!!!! Especially if another house mayb set up in the north of the country!!!
Lets see where this actually gets to cause just being in a house isn't a fast tract to being good; I mean if you look at EG's results at MLG after boot camping for 4 weeks it kind of sums it up. If some of the best players on the planet can't do well in tournaments having lived together for a month living and breathing starcraft not sure what some mid masters + 1 GM will do
Best of luck cause it seems you guys need it, always good to see more players in the UK though.
Apparantly im jelous from stating some rather obvious contradictions in the OP. if people want to bury their head in the sand and say its not so then i guess i'll allow them to live on cuckoo land longer.
People stating im jelous and they've lost respect for me too? If someone cares alot about a scene, and then something so shady as this goes wrong, what is going to look bad? Nothing but the UK SC2 community and then we are not taken seriously ever again.
Yet like i mentioned, the OP doesnt understand this and just: A: Took my original messages too personal & B: Started throwing personal abuse about.
Got nothing against the players participating individualy, nor the swedish player (ask anyone in infused i am great friends with all their SC2 players). All i am concerned about is the complete farce that has gone on, yet some still don't live in the real world and then complain when someone points this out.
Well that is a silly comment to make, i was reffering to the bad organisation and the "Who fancies getting a house" approach.
If people do it properly like what Gimble and his mates are proposing it could be good, but the idea of "yeah we like esports this will work" is a dillusion, and people are naive to believe it can only be good.
I'm still not sure what your complaining about. The only complaint anyone had was GimbleB, which he has now taken back due to it all simply being some miss-communication. Yet you still seem to be trying to make up some problems that don't even exist?
And you say "do it properly like what Gimble and his mates are proposing" all gimble has actually done is said "Yea probs going to make a house myself". Where as Elevean has put months of planning and effort into something that is very soon becoming real.
I'm sorry but every time you post you make it sound like your against the progression of SC2 in the UK. And let's just say it all goes tit's up, at least they tried, rather than sitting on forum trying to poke holes in other peoples attempts at helping the UK scene progress.
On August 10 2011 23:42 LeonStarcraft wrote: Well that is a silly comment to make, i was reffering to the bad organisation and the "Who fancies getting a house" approach.
If people do it properly like what Gimble and his mates are proposing it could be good, but the idea of "yeah we like esports this will work" is a dillusion, and people are naive to believe it can only be good.
To be fair, Gimble isn't pursuing any form of house atm, and is going to be dealing with some of his own commitments for the foreseeable future.
Of course, seeing as you seem to be in full control of all the facts, there's no need for me to inform you of this, right?
We can try, and we very well might fail, We can try and we might succeed.. or we can sit on TL and bash everything because of our own perceived contradictions/imperfections.
I just want to chime into this topic, as I was one of the few people "cut" from the house.
Our initial reactions were EXTREMELY pissed off for the reasons seen and that Leon picked up on. However, credit to Dan while he originally said "going away see you next week!" kind of leaving us, we were still able to contact him, and I know I personally exchanged several emails with him yesterday evening.
Am I still annoyed about the way he left it, despite rectifying it in part afterwards? Yes, it was unproffessional and rude. Am I still upset/disappointed about the very blunt ending to something that had been building up for a long time? Yes, extremely so.
HOWEVER Dan did not go into radio silence, he replied and gave reasons. Whether I (or others) disagree with the reasons various people (and some were for different reasons) were "cut", I don't personally hold a grudge. I HOPE it's successful, and I hope it goes well. If it goes badly, it simply sets esports in the UK back a step. If it goes well it can really accelerate it, and I wish the players heading down there all the best.
Leon has brought up both good and bad/incorrect points, and I won't go into them. I do feel the people badmouthing him in this thread are over the line though. His reaction is similar to mine and GimbleB's initial reactions. Some of his points stand true even with Dan's approach to resolving how he handled the situation, in my opinion at least.
either way, best of luck to the house. I hope it's successful if nothing else for the UK! And because it has some cool guys in it.
On August 11 2011 03:38 Westy wrote: I'm still not sure what your complaining about. The only complaint anyone had was GimbleB, which he has now taken back due to it all simply being some miss-communication. Yet you still seem to be trying to make up some problems that don't even exist?
And you say "do it properly like what Gimble and his mates are proposing" all gimble has actually done is said "Yea probs going to make a house myself". Where as Elevean has put months of planning and effort into something that is very soon becoming real.
I'm sorry but every time you post you make it sound like your against the progression of SC2 in the UK. And let's just say it all goes tit's up, at least they tried, rather than sitting on forum trying to poke holes in other peoples attempts at helping the UK scene progress.
On August 11 2011 03:38 Westy wrote: I'm still not sure what your complaining about. The only complaint anyone had was GimbleB, which he has now taken back due to it all simply being some miss-communication. Yet you still seem to be trying to make up some problems that don't even exist?
And you say "do it properly like what Gimble and his mates are proposing" all gimble has actually done is said "Yea probs going to make a house myself". Where as Elevean has put months of planning and effort into something that is very soon becoming real.
I'm sorry but every time you post you make it sound like your against the progression of SC2 in the UK. And let's just say it all goes tit's up, at least they tried, rather than sitting on forum trying to poke holes in other peoples attempts at helping the UK scene progress.
Shows how little you know.
Hes not talking about your actual efforts in the scene, just from how you are sounding in this thread.
I hope this all goes well guys. I actually live in plymouth and am a medium/high level master player and im in a clan called sG. I would love to come visit you guys at the house to chill out, have some beers and play some sc2. Sweet!!
sGJason.211
(plug-in) And for anyone who wants to visit the website I made for my clan a few days ago http://www.clansg.comli.com/ EU Channel: Clan sG
As a student at the University of Plymouth, it is awesome to know there are/will be such committed SC2 players nearby. Best of luck to everyone moving in!
I live pretty much around the UK, and mainly in Glastonbury. At the moment I'm a high Silver, but I'm damn sure getting my ass to Masters, and wouldn't mind coming down with a couple of cases of Brewskies, and enjoying SC II and hopefully learning some extra things from you guys, would be pretty awesome indeed. And as I play on me laptop makes it good for mobileness... Spawn.921
On August 13 2011 05:11 SuMDuMRtArD wrote: I live pretty much around the UK, and mainly in Glastonbury. At the moment I'm a high Silver, but I'm damn sure getting my ass to Masters, and wouldn't mind coming down with a couple of cases of Brewskies, and enjoying SC II and hopefully learning some extra things from you guys, would be pretty awesome indeed. And as I play on me laptop makes it good for mobileness... Spawn.921
Dude I'll join you. I'm up for visiting this house when it's all up n' running - bring some beers and play some SC2. If that's okay with Eleaven
I think the age thing is probably for a certain maturity level and avoidance of parents. Its a huge commitment to play a game 9+ hours a day every day and expect to be doing so for 5 years. Its not like many people in UK are really taught discipline anymore.
On August 29 2011 01:04 ForeverAzerG wrote: should be 16+ or 17+ imo limiting the amout of people that can join by making it 18+
tbh if i was doing this, i wouldnt want 16/17 year olds there too. Im only 21 but i would just find people that young too immature and wouldnt be willing to help keep the place tidy, and wouldnt pull their weight in helping out with money and stuff and would probably find it very hard to stay focused
On August 29 2011 01:04 ForeverAzerG wrote: should be 16+ or 17+ imo limiting the amout of people that can join by making it 18+
tbh if i was doing this, i wouldnt want 16/17 year olds there too. Im only 21 but i would just find people that young too immature and wouldnt be willing to help keep the place tidy, and wouldnt pull their weight in helping out with money and stuff and would probably find it very hard to stay focused
Thats completely subjective you think because you know a 16/17 year old who acts that way that they will all act like they don't want to pull their weight or stay focused, I'd say by your response and given that I'm 17 I'm probably more mature than you.
On August 29 2011 01:04 ForeverAzerG wrote: should be 16+ or 17+ imo limiting the amout of people that can join by making it 18+
tbh if i was doing this, i wouldnt want 16/17 year olds there too. Im only 21 but i would just find people that young too immature and wouldnt be willing to help keep the place tidy, and wouldnt pull their weight in helping out with money and stuff and would probably find it very hard to stay focused
Thats completely subjective you think because you know a 16/17 year old who acts that way that they will all act like they don't want to pull their weight or stay focused, I'd say by your response and given that I'm 17 I'm probably more mature than you.
Arguing about who's more mature is pretty immature.
On August 29 2011 01:04 ForeverAzerG wrote: should be 16+ or 17+ imo limiting the amout of people that can join by making it 18+
tbh if i was doing this, i wouldnt want 16/17 year olds there too. Im only 21 but i would just find people that young too immature and wouldnt be willing to help keep the place tidy, and wouldnt pull their weight in helping out with money and stuff and would probably find it very hard to stay focused
Thats completely subjective you think because you know a 16/17 year old who acts that way that they will all act like they don't want to pull their weight or stay focused, I'd say by your response and given that I'm 17 I'm probably more mature than you.
Arguing about who's more mature is pretty immature.
I understand where he is coming from though. He presumes that all 16+17 year olds are immature.
But you probably couldn't do it anyway legally ( i think )
On August 29 2011 01:04 ForeverAzerG wrote: should be 16+ or 17+ imo limiting the amout of people that can join by making it 18+
tbh if i was doing this, i wouldnt want 16/17 year olds there too. Im only 21 but i would just find people that young too immature and wouldnt be willing to help keep the place tidy, and wouldnt pull their weight in helping out with money and stuff and would probably find it very hard to stay focused
Thats completely subjective you think because you know a 16/17 year old who acts that way that they will all act like they don't want to pull their weight or stay focused, I'd say by your response and given that I'm 17 I'm probably more mature than you.
Arguing about who's more mature is pretty immature.
I wasn't arguing who was more mature just the fact that he thought all 17 year olds are immature which is a ridiculous assumption.
Does anybody else see the irony in a bunch of 17 year olds arguing they're capable of making mature and responsible decisions so they can quit their education and play video games full time?
On September 01 2011 02:46 KwarK wrote: Does anybody else see the irony in a bunch of 17 year olds arguing they're capable of making mature and responsible decisions so they can quit their education and play video games full time?
That isn't ironic and no one's arguing, its just short sighted to say all 17 year olds are immature and have a poor work ethic and I write this so that people try to look at it differently.
On September 01 2011 02:46 KwarK wrote: Does anybody else see the irony in a bunch of 17 year olds arguing they're capable of making mature and responsible decisions so they can quit their education and play video games full time?
On September 01 2011 02:46 KwarK wrote: Does anybody else see the irony in a bunch of 17 year olds arguing they're capable of making mature and responsible decisions so they can quit their education and play video games full time?
Implying they are in education?
Every responsible 17 year old should be in some kind of education or vocational training, they've got a long life ahead of them and it's an investment that'll pay dividends.
On August 29 2011 01:04 ForeverAzerG wrote: should be 16+ or 17+ imo limiting the amout of people that can join by making it 18+
tbh if i was doing this, i wouldnt want 16/17 year olds there too. Im only 21 but i would just find people that young too immature and wouldnt be willing to help keep the place tidy, and wouldnt pull their weight in helping out with money and stuff and would probably find it very hard to stay focused
Thats completely subjective you think because you know a 16/17 year old who acts that way that they will all act like they don't want to pull their weight or stay focused, I'd say by your response and given that I'm 17 I'm probably more mature than you.
Arguing about who's more mature is pretty immature.
I wasn't arguing who was more mature just the fact that he thought all 17 year olds are immature which is a ridiculous assumption.
I gathered your point, but I am just saying, stuff like "I'd say by your response and given that I'm 17 I'm probably more mature than you" takes away the credibility in the statement itself. So try to leave stuff out like that next time.
16+ is old enough to take care of you self and do your bit around the house. If they are not pulling their weight just tell them to leave. there so much young potential in sc2 i just feel making it 18+ is a bit to high.but thats just me
I think you need to be 18+ for the travel aspect. Most parents wouldn't want their 16 year old son (or daughter) travelling a distance to live in a flat with 'strangers'. Also, it just isn't right. Get some education, you don't see many professional gamers over the age of say 28. Unless you're talented right now and are a grand master level player its going to be a tough fight to make a career out of it without risking a lot (specifically time where education is easily available).
I think the age is right for numerous reasons. Anyway, I think that a better suggestion would be for you to lower the skill requirement (masters level). People in an environment such as this house will easily gain that skill level within say a month. (As long as they are not totally new to the game or bottom tier level).
Hopefully with the university enrollment out of the way more people will know what their going to do or what they aren't doing with their time and interest can spark. It's a great idea, just need to get it started somehow :D
Wow, I got excited after reading the OP, but now it seems it hasn't worked out? I live in Plymouth and if there's a SC2 house I'd love to pay you a visit.
Well there is a house starting in Northern Ireland! Currently, we've moved over 3 people from Europe, and are moving another over this week (3 swedes, 1 mexican), and are working to set up a pro house.
On September 01 2011 02:46 KwarK wrote: Does anybody else see the irony in a bunch of 17 year olds arguing they're capable of making mature and responsible decisions so they can quit their education and play video games full time?
Implying they are in education?
Every responsible 17 year old should be in some kind of education or vocational training, they've got a long life ahead of them and it's an investment that'll pay dividends.
MMM that eleven guy hasn't posted anything since August 24th, guess he has just disappeared. I can't imagine how pissed the players involved must feel, what a time waste. Guess people were right in saying it was going to flop.
People say that doing stuff like this doesn't hurt esports but when people start off doing something and then just stop half way through they actually do hurt esports, wish people would just not get involved if they don't have a clue about what they are doing.
Sounds awesome! Best of luck to you and I will try and contact you if I make it to masters!! “Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.”- James Dean
I said it wouldn't work and that it was a terrible idea, happy clappers jumped and said that i wanted sc2 to fail in the UK.
This is the reason i said it shouldn't have happened, Sombrero is right the UK will now look like a joke because of fools who have their heads up their ass.
On October 12 2011 01:38 LeonStarcraft wrote: I said it wouldn't work and that it was a terrible idea, happy clappers jumped and said that i wanted sc2 to fail in the UK.
This is the reason i said it shouldn't have happened, Sombrero is right the UK will now look like a joke because of fools who have their heads up their ass.
Guessing by the fact Eleaven hasn't been on skype in over 2 months I would say it definitely is not happening anymore. But I am still glad someone at least tried, rather than sitting on a forum putting people down for attempting to do good for the UK scene.
And how does the UK look like a joke? We have a couple of people in the UK that anyone anywhere actually cares about, other than them the UK scene doesn't look like anything...
At least if we all adopted your attitude the UK scene would grow, right?
On October 12 2011 01:38 LeonStarcraft wrote: I said it wouldn't work and that it was a terrible idea, happy clappers jumped and said that i wanted sc2 to fail in the UK.
This is the reason i said it shouldn't have happened, Sombrero is right the UK will now look like a joke because of fools who have their heads up their ass.
Guessing by the fact Eleaven hasn't been on skype in over 2 months I would say it definitely is not happening anymore. But I am still glad someone at least tried, rather than sitting on a forum putting people down for attempting to do good for the UK scene.
And how does the UK look like a joke? We have a couple of people in the UK that anyone anywhere actually cares about, other than them the UK scene doesn't look like anything...
At least if we all adopted your attitude the UK scene would grow, right?
didnt sound like he tried all that hard tbh, i can put up a post saying
"want to start a gaming house in my tool shed, anyone can come because im shady as hell, i have cookies"
i guess if i do that at least i have tried and im a good guy yeah?
You tell me, is the UK scene better off or worse off because of this thread? If you adopted my attitude you would get active in the scene and do something to help progress it. Me stating what i did was a realistic view and if you dont want to read realistic posts dont read the internet, go back to nursery and listen to fairy tales.
On October 12 2011 01:38 LeonStarcraft wrote: I said it wouldn't work and that it was a terrible idea, happy clappers jumped and said that i wanted sc2 to fail in the UK.
This is the reason i said it shouldn't have happened, Sombrero is right the UK will now look like a joke because of fools who have their heads up their ass.
Guessing by the fact Eleaven hasn't been on skype in over 2 months I would say it definitely is not happening anymore. But I am still glad someone at least tried, rather than sitting on a forum putting people down for attempting to do good for the UK scene.
And how does the UK look like a joke? We have a couple of people in the UK that anyone anywhere actually cares about, other than them the UK scene doesn't look like anything...
At least if we all adopted your attitude the UK scene would grow, right?
Its like this, if your car is not working very well but its getting you by and you want to make some changes to it, do you a.) get someone who doesn't know what they are doing to do the work, give it there best shot but ultimately fail, or b.) get someone who knows what they are doing to perform the work.
If you are setting up a UK SC2 house, it makes sense that someone who is established in eSports and has contact to sponors and relevant people organises it. I commend the effort, but if you aren't going to finish what you start, don't start at all; it makes the community take one step foward, two steps back.
how on earth does this hurt esports by this not working out? It doesnt effect it at all, making a big deal out of it etc.. in the end they tried to do something that would of been great for esports and it didnt work out. big deal, I commend them at least trying, but circumstances change.
Do think it was always going to run into trouble without it being a team adventure and a bunch of people who only knew each other from what they were tlaking about on skype. If they had known each other for months then it very well may of worked out.
On October 12 2011 19:21 Tommylew wrote: how on earth does this hurt esports by this not working out? It doesnt effect it at all, making a big deal out of it etc.. in the end they tried to do something that would of been great for esports and it didnt work out. big deal, I commend them at least trying, but circumstances change.
Do think it was always going to run into trouble without it being a team adventure and a bunch of people who only knew each other from what they were tlaking about on skype. If they had known each other for months then it very well may of worked out.
It hinders all future efforts of setting something like this up in the UK, people will be more reluctant to be part of a house because the only previous effort is this failure.
On October 12 2011 19:21 Tommylew wrote: how on earth does this hurt esports by this not working out? It doesnt effect it at all, making a big deal out of it etc.. in the end they tried to do something that would of been great for esports and it didnt work out. big deal, I commend them at least trying, but circumstances change.
Do think it was always going to run into trouble without it being a team adventure and a bunch of people who only knew each other from what they were tlaking about on skype. If they had known each other for months then it very well may of worked out.
It hinders all future efforts of setting something like this up in the UK, people will be more reluctant to be part of a house because the only previous effort is this failure.
It hinders all future efforts of setting something like this up in the UK, people will be more reluctant to be part of a house because the only previous effort is this failure.
Sheep just dominated the thread, it can now be closed
Plus its not liek anyone even moved in? Or people had paid first month rent and its all fallen through.
I agree someone who is well known in the community would probably of made it work if they had the idea but its not like the guy took their money and fleeced them. It just hasnt worked out.
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should be able to get into masters in a few weeks just need start playing hardcore again been really busy lately
