EPTFor any other interested reviewers, watch the replay with Genesis.180's vision only first, then watch with the vision of everyone, really obvious.
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OpTicalRH
147 Posts
For any other interested reviewers, watch the replay with Genesis.180's vision only first, then watch with the vision of everyone, really obvious. | ||
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RedJustice
United States1004 Posts
On August 06 2011 05:32 OpTicalRH wrote: + Show Spoiler + KEEP IN MIND THAT Genesis.180 MADE ZERO OBSERVERS Map: The Shattered Temple Hacker Name: Genesis.180 League: Masters, Division Limes Uncle Keypoints: 6:19 proxy pylon without scouting (Probe had zero vision of the hill) 8:10 sends zealots in when main army is out 13:00 sends army in the base towards the medivacs, no sight at all *** Genesis made ZERO observers in the game *** Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/31f1xr ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/gdmoc.jpg) Edit. This is the image of the conversation and his info, not much but just an addition. I would have just flicked him off, but seeing that his rank is high and active, it seemed necessary to shun him to the public. Watching the replay from Genesis's vision: 6:19 - This pylon is certainly suspicious.Not sure why he then ran the probe into a majillion marines. 8:10 - I don't find this at all a problem, considering he just saw the marines and tank with the other half of his army. Furthermore, it appears that he meant to originally unite the zealots with the rest of his army to make a push, before seeing your forces. Then they were stuck at the pylon, and since your army was out of position it makes sense to try to do some damage in your base with them. 13:00 - I really find this a very weak argument. The entire game he's been keeping the units in his base away from the ramp in the back. The medivacs coming in coincide with the factory leaving. It seems to me he could simply be regrouping his units after he sent the stalkers to shoot at the factory. Also, why wouldn't he have reacted to the drop at the gold 3 minutes later then? I think you have an extremelyyyyy poor case for any kind of hacking. The only thing suspicious really looks like that pylon, but I really don't think that on it's own is enough evidence to accuse anyone of hacking. On the whole though, the game did look like much lower level play than Masters, from his perspective at least. :/ But without better evidence or a crazy win-rate, not hacking imo. | ||
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HyperDesi
63 Posts
Your Name: HyperDesi Hacker Name: aijd Replay:http://www.mediafire.com/?ycumr6qajv87nv7 Description:I 7p and he 14p but save 3 larvae and money for no reason without scout and then after defending sent lings straight to my base | ||
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
On August 06 2011 11:18 HyperDesi wrote: Server: NA Your Name: HyperDesi Hacker Name: aijd Replay:http://www.mediafire.com/?ycumr6qajv87nv7 Description:I 7p and he 14p but save 3 larvae and money for no reason without scout and then after defending sent lings straight to my base First, saving larvae on that build means nothing because it's very common. Second, just because he sent lings to your base doesn't mean he was maphacking. He was 99% just scouting. And if he was maphacking? He would've pooled earlier since he only barely held it off (at first). Edit: also your instant accusations are pretty douchey Edit2: obv someone else will need to look at this To probe: but wouldn't you say that is completely luck and there is no other concrete proof of hacking? | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
On August 06 2011 11:18 HyperDesi wrote: Server: NA Your Name: HyperDesi Hacker Name: aijd Replay:http://www.mediafire.com/?ycumr6qajv87nv7 Description:I 7p and he 14p but save 3 larvae and money for no reason without scout and then after defending sent lings straight to my base He does nothing out of the ordinary the whole game... then you BM him. He overlord scouts in the wrong direction, never takes a single peek through the fog, and only just manages to defend against the 7 pool. A maphacker would have probably 10 pooled or spined, he did neither. I think you just got outplayed here. And in regards to that last attack, he probably gave you some credit in assuming you weren't suicidal enough to 7 pool from cross position on TDA. If nothing else, that comes down to a 50/50 guess (since his overlord scouted southwest already) and I'm always going to check northeast first unless I'm given a reason not to, its just closer. | ||
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Acechi
United States50 Posts
Your Name: Monchix Hacker Name: Skizzu Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?c4d0l91gf0dc8ac Description: Hello TLers, I'm having trouble and have been contemplating on whether to send this replay for hacking to Blizzard. The description of the game and suspected hacking is as follows: - Both players open standard on Abyssal Caverns, with me going FFE and him 14 pool/gas. - @3:10 Skizzu right clicks his spawning larva on to my probe within the FOW at the nat. - @5:20 Looks at my base - @8:45 Looks at my base - @9:00 Looks again - @10:47 Looks at base and spots probe behind FOW - @11:10 Looks at base - @11:38 Spots wandering probe again - @12:32 Looks at front base, army and carrier However, I'm quite torn about sending a report to Blizzard for the following reasons: - @7:30 His roaches engage me when I have a void. (If he was map hacking, no need to attack) - @10:00 He doesn't respond well to my void poke. (i.e. he wasn't prepared / expecting it) If you guys could help me out and give me your blessing, I'd send / not send the report with your comments. Thank you!! | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
On August 06 2011 17:33 Acechi wrote: Server: NA Your Name: Monchix Hacker Name: Skizzu He drops his evo chamber after looking at your base through the fog, but before you reveal your voidray. Maybe he was just going for upgraded roaches... but the dozen or so fog peeks really put this one beyond reasonable doubt for me. Skizzu is maphacking | ||
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DamAnus
67 Posts
FORMAT Server: EU Your Name: mjwDamador Hacker Name: Savior Replay: http://www.megafileupload.com/en/file/322135/Antiga-Shipyard--16--SC2Replay.html Description: He never scouted, dropped at my base without scouting, look in the fog all the game long, nothing to say. just look at the replay on his pov. | ||
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rezyn8
Australia216 Posts
Server: SEA Your Name: rezyn Hacker Name: General Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/11327 Description: This was my placement match for Season 3. My 111 build was rushed by marines, so I reviewed to see what I could have done better. On viewing the vision of my opponent, it was quite clear that this player was using a map hack. He never sent out a scout or scanned. His vision moves to where my SCV does a pirouette at the Xel'Naga tower and continually looks at my base before rushing with marines. | ||
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Energie
Canada74 Posts
Your Name: Autumn Hacker Name: BisuShield Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?zu3m949vcwdcv1f Description: Pretty blatant hacker. Sends overlord towards my base, then sees my probe move out to proxy then moves it back. Immediately sends out probe to 'scout' my proxy. | ||
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RedJustice
United States1004 Posts
On August 08 2011 06:04 Energie wrote: + Show Spoiler + Server: NA Your Name: Autumn Hacker Name: BisuShield Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?zu3m949vcwdcv1f Description: Pretty blatant hacker. Sends overlord towards my base, then sees my probe move out to proxy then moves it back. Immediately sends out probe to 'scout' my proxy. Watched from BisuShield's POV: I don't think blatant is the word for this, but I feel fairly certain he is hacking. At about 0:11 when he sending an overlord towards your base he stops and 'stares' at the bottom middle base for a few seconds through the fog of war before turning it back towards his ramp. This feels weird because it directly coincides with the probe moving out. The drone going directly to your proxy gates doesn't actually bother me in itself. I have been proxygated from there numerous times and I like to check it. However, it bothered me that he decided to move his overlord from scouting for your base, and didn't put it close enough to see that little area behind the bushes. If he is careful about checking for cheese, why didn't he use the overlord sooner instead of sending a late drone? There was no FoW looking or anything, but for this game it wasn't necessary since everything important can be seen via minimap. Maybe he was not, but it really just feels like small things are off about it. I think he is hacking. On August 07 2011 22:46 rezyn8 wrote: + Show Spoiler + Its Season 3 but hackers are still alive unfortunately. Server: SEA Your Name: rezyn Hacker Name: General Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/11327 Description: This was my placement match for Season 3. My 111 build was rushed by marines, so I reviewed to see what I could have done better. On viewing the vision of my opponent, it was quite clear that this player was using a map hack. He never sent out a scout or scanned. His vision moves to where my SCV does a pirouette at the Xel'Naga tower and continually looks at my base before rushing with marines. Watched from General's POV. 0:15 - Looks at your base maybe? It's part of a larger glance around the map through the fow though. 0:23 - Now just staring at your base in fow. 1:14 - Staring at base... 1:43 - Looks at your scouting scv through fow. 1:55 - Looks at scv again. 2:19 - Staring at base... 3:03 - Staring at base... 4:03 - Staring at base... 4:23 - Staring at base... 5:07 - Staring at base... This is what blatant maphax is, lol. Side note rezyn: I think the problem was the macro. I don't play Terran so I can't tell you how to execute the build better, but you had a lot of minerals floating that could have been units right before he pushed in. | ||
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-y0shi-
Germany994 Posts
Your Name: mogoh Hacker Name: Shape Replay: http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/07-08-11/159836-Shape-VS-mogoh.html Got this replay from a friend of mine. ZvP Zerg plays 7 RR, P doesnt scout at all (all game) and blindly builds forge w 4 cannons. When Mutalisk arrive a bit later he moves his stalkers in place before he can see the mutas. He continues to build nothing but stalkers but instantly switches to zealots when Z starts building lings. He doesnt use any hotkeys, thats why his reactions are kinda slow at times, because he has to box his units first =_= He doesnt scout ever, even builds an obs and never uses it. Also at 13.37 (no joke) and once more shortly after, he sseems to check out Zs armee through the fog. he ddidnt do this before (or i missed it) but clicks straight onto Zs army twice. IMO this is really really suspicious although probably not 100% sure, mightve been dumb luck :/ Opinions pls e:/ [CONFIRMED]Hacker Name: sHAPE Hacker Name: sHAPE (Protoss) Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?jf7nbajur3h31r8 2)http://replayfu.com/r/Lnb2Tt 3)http://sc2rep.com/replays/%28P%29ATD_vs_%28P%29sHAPE_the_shattered_temple_sc2rep_com_20110706/10901 Three seperate replays, all with an abundance of long, caring stares into the FOW and short walks right to the unscouted base. The third replay is a proxy 2 gate with no prior knowledge of spawn location while the first two have an abundance of FOW scouting. maybe the same guy with a new name? Through he wasnt that blatantly obvious (or im just really bad at cheat checking) and its on eu instead of us. | ||
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Smaugalisk
United Kingdom2 Posts
Your Name: Smaug Hacker Name: Atlas + Stronghobo Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?yqa3k98j8m3wlcm Description: 0:00 - No scouting done at all 1:30 - Atlas goes to build 2 raxes on the correct side to lift and land in Mezro's base 2:20 - Stronghobo pre-emptively pulls off 5 drones to prevent probe scout 2:55 - Stronghobo's camera views fog of war where my base is at 3:10 - Stronhobo's Camera over Fog of War again 3:20 - Stronghobo's Speedlings being sent to the correct place - outside of the lower wall, none of which should have been discovered 9:30 - Stronghobo pre-emptively retreats/cuts in with speedlings when hellions move out to zerg's base 10:10 - Stronghobo notices Dark Templars pre-emptively (camera) 14:40 - Stronghobo's camera goes over our base through fog of war again 15:30 - Atlas+Stronghobo pre-emptively pulls SCV's off to prepare for our push 15:55 - Atlas Pre-emptively A-moves towards our army 18:40 - Atlas pre-emptively picks SCV's up and lifts his CC away ------ As a note, I'm certain Stronghobo was hacking, and he is a masters. Atlas, on the other hand, who is a silver player 1v1, played it alot more convincingly. At 15:55, he A-moves literally half a second before he actually sees our army, lifted his CC knowing we were about to scout his expo, builds the raxes on the correct side, and never looked into the fog of war. That said, either he was clever enough to merely only look at the minimap for information, or his friend was telling him over voice communication what was happening. That said, either way, he was using the hack to his advantage. They were given no clue for the entirety of the opening as to where our base was, yet Stronghobo looked at our base and no other bases (Tempest), especially looking at the wall we made at the bottom of the ramp, and when his lings come out, he knows he doesn't need to move his lings anywhere further than the wall, and knew to go for the pylon instead of the supply depot as that could be repaired. They are Diamond 2v2 together. Thanks for taking the time to view! Edit: Just spoke to Atlas, I am uncertain whether he is actually oblivious to his friend hacking or just trying to act casual. Pretty inconclusive. Atlas: no. we were cheesing Atlas has reconnected. Atlas:  You: lol Atlas: :d :D You: well done for building the raxes on the correct side without scouting, some pretty fine camera work, especially by your friend looking at our bases through fog of war too pretty impressive he also knew our walloff was at the bottom, where he rightclicked his lings to, knowing he didn't need to do a runby Atlas: thank you Atlas has disconnected. You: npnp Atlas is not online. | ||
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rezyn8
Australia216 Posts
On August 08 2011 07:51 RedJustice wrote: Watched from General's POV. ... This is what blatant maphax is, lol. Side note rezyn: I think the problem was the macro. I don't play Terran so I can't tell you how to execute the build better, but you had a lot of minerals floating that could have been units right before he pushed in. Thanks RedJustice! I didn't really review my play when I saw the map hack in play - one thing I forgot to do was drop a bunker. I'll check over it again see where I went wrong. Thanks again! | ||
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DamAnus
67 Posts
Server: EU Your Name: mjwDamador Hacker Name: Savior Replay: http://www.megafileupload.com/en/file/322135/Antiga-Shipyard--16--SC2Replay.html Description: He never scouted, dropped at my base without scouting, look in the fog all the game long, nothing to say. just look at the replay on his pov. | ||
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RedJustice
United States1004 Posts
On August 08 2011 09:54 -y0shi- wrote: + Show Spoiler + Server: EU Your Name: mogoh Hacker Name: Shape Replay: http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/07-08-11/159836-Shape-VS-mogoh.html Got this replay from a friend of mine. ZvP Zerg plays 7 RR, P doesnt scout at all (all game) and blindly builds forge w 4 cannons. When Mutalisk arrive a bit later he moves his stalkers in place before he can see the mutas. He continues to build nothing but stalkers but instantly switches to zealots when Z starts building lings. He doesnt use any hotkeys, thats why his reactions are kinda slow at times, because he has to box his units first =_= He doesnt scout ever, even builds an obs and never uses it. Also at 13.37 (no joke) and once more shortly after, he sseems to check out Zs armee through the fog. he ddidnt do this before (or i missed it) but clicks straight onto Zs army twice. IMO this is really really suspicious although probably not 100% sure, mightve been dumb luck :/ Opinions pls e:/ [CONFIRMED]Hacker Name: sHAPE Hacker Name: sHAPE (Protoss) Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?jf7nbajur3h31r8 2)http://replayfu.com/r/Lnb2Tt 3)http://sc2rep.com/replays/%28P%29ATD_vs_%28P%29sHAPE_the_shattered_temple_sc2rep_com_20110706/10901 Three seperate replays, all with an abundance of long, caring stares into the FOW and short walks right to the unscouted base. The third replay is a proxy 2 gate with no prior knowledge of spawn location while the first two have an abundance of FOW scouting. maybe the same guy with a new name? Through he wasnt that blatantly obvious (or im just really bad at cheat checking) and its on eu instead of us. Watched from Shape's POV: 7:25 - He starts to move his probe out. At a point during the series of move commands, he is looking at your roaches and moves towards them, but doesn't make sense he would send a probe directly into your army. 7:32 - Is looking at your natural, but hard to tell if this is just him trying to figure out where to send his probe (he is looking all over at random places in the fog of war at this point). 10:16 - Glances at your natural again, but really hard to say if he is actually looking. 10:40 - Okay, now I am convinced he is looking. At 10:16 he was staring directly at your mutas. He then warps in some more stalkers-ok-and moves them into his natural directly as your mutas fly in, despite the fact that he has been sitting in the back of his base with his units the whole time. Seems very very lucky. 13:10 - I feel like he is looking at the mutas hiding behind his base, but could just be suspicious of them coming back... 13:38 - Looks straight at your army in front of the natural. 15:23 - Looks at natural again. First this is a very low level of play happening, so he does a lot of things that are ??? Not scouting or using his obs seems pretty standard given the rest of his play. The timing of the stalkers moving to intercept the mutas after a look at your natural that appeared to be a click there and a click back (instead of a panning look around the map when he sent his probe out to proxy pylon) makes me feel like he was definitely seeing your units through fog of war. Then he appears to be looking more often after that, and react accordingly with his warp-ins. I think he is hacking. The muta intercept was just too lucky. @DamAnus: I attempted to review the replay the other day, but for some reason I am just not able to download it. If you want to put it up on another site, I will look at it, or you can wait for someone else to look at it.  | ||
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JediGamer
United States656 Posts
Thank GOD i knew he hacked b4 the game. He didnt scout even once. Cut off my banshee blindly too lol. | ||
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mogoh
Germany109 Posts
On August 09 2011 00:30 RedJustice wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 08 2011 09:54 -y0shi- wrote: + Show Spoiler + Server: EU Your Name: mogoh Hacker Name: Shape Replay: http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/07-08-11/159836-Shape-VS-mogoh.html Got this replay from a friend of mine. ZvP Zerg plays 7 RR, P doesnt scout at all (all game) and blindly builds forge w 4 cannons. When Mutalisk arrive a bit later he moves his stalkers in place before he can see the mutas. He continues to build nothing but stalkers but instantly switches to zealots when Z starts building lings. He doesnt use any hotkeys, thats why his reactions are kinda slow at times, because he has to box his units first =_= He doesnt scout ever, even builds an obs and never uses it. Also at 13.37 (no joke) and once more shortly after, he sseems to check out Zs armee through the fog. he ddidnt do this before (or i missed it) but clicks straight onto Zs army twice. IMO this is really really suspicious although probably not 100% sure, mightve been dumb luck :/ Opinions pls e:/ [CONFIRMED]Hacker Name: sHAPE Hacker Name: sHAPE (Protoss) Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?jf7nbajur3h31r8 2)http://replayfu.com/r/Lnb2Tt 3)http://sc2rep.com/replays/%28P%29ATD_vs_%28P%29sHAPE_the_shattered_temple_sc2rep_com_20110706/10901 Three seperate replays, all with an abundance of long, caring stares into the FOW and short walks right to the unscouted base. The third replay is a proxy 2 gate with no prior knowledge of spawn location while the first two have an abundance of FOW scouting. maybe the same guy with a new name? Through he wasnt that blatantly obvious (or im just really bad at cheat checking) and its on eu instead of us. Watched from Shape's POV: 7:25 - He starts to move his probe out. At a point during the series of move commands, he is looking at your roaches and moves towards them, but doesn't make sense he would send a probe directly into your army. 7:32 - Is looking at your natural, but hard to tell if this is just him trying to figure out where to send his probe (he is looking all over at random places in the fog of war at this point). 10:16 - Glances at your natural again, but really hard to say if he is actually looking. 10:40 - Okay, now I am convinced he is looking. At 10:16 he was staring directly at your mutas. He then warps in some more stalkers-ok-and moves them into his natural directly as your mutas fly in, despite the fact that he has been sitting in the back of his base with his units the whole time. Seems very very lucky. 13:10 - I feel like he is looking at the mutas hiding behind his base, but could just be suspicious of them coming back... 13:38 - Looks straight at your army in front of the natural. 15:23 - Looks at natural again. First this is a very low level of play happening, so he does a lot of things that are ??? Not scouting or using his obs seems pretty standard given the rest of his play. The timing of the stalkers moving to intercept the mutas after a look at your natural that appeared to be a click there and a click back (instead of a panning look around the map when he sent his probe out to proxy pylon) makes me feel like he was definitely seeing your units through fog of war. Then he appears to be looking more often after that, and react accordingly with his warp-ins. I think he is hacking. The muta intercept was just too lucky. @DamAnus: I attempted to review the replay the other day, but for some reason I am just not able to download it. If you want to put it up on another site, I will look at it, or you can wait for someone else to look at it. @RedJustice: Thanks for viewing and commentating. I reported Shape now. | ||
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Dag0N
Denmark25 Posts
[NEEDS REVIEW]Hacker Name: FatCaT Replay:http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=download&id=212199 Description: Reacts seemingly impossibly early to an SCV Marine all-in, also prepares by dropping three spine crawlers. I want to talk with the other members of the team about this replay, however feel free to watch and chime in. DO NOT STOP WATCHING until the end of the game - If you leave after the Terran's all-in, you will miss half of the reason why I'm putting this up for review - his army does not find the Terran's floated buildings for quite some time. Though he reacts perfectly, the player does not seem to be using maphacks. I feel like he simply got lucky. | ||
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