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On September 18 2010 09:32 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2010 02:46 eshlow wrote:On September 18 2010 01:40 AoN.DimSum wrote:eshlow said most of it. But I just wanted to add, when lowering the weight, it is the same as going up. So hips are moving backward when lowering the bar. Your hip placement wasnt moving which is why you had trouble lowering the bar. btw did you know the guy doing the snatch in the back? He was flexible. @travis if you want to try something only like 4-5 people in the world can do, try captain of crush #4. It is grip training which is insanely hard. http://www.ironmind.com/ironmind/opencms/Main/captainsofcrush.htmlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captains_of_Crush_Grippers Yeah, CoC 4 is crazy. I met one of the guys who completed it, and he was demo bending huge nails and crushing apples like it was nothing. Insane strength. Even doing the CoC1 will give you an extremely strong handshake or impressive grip compared to the rest of the population ...I'm interested. How do I start this sort of training? Which CoC should I begin with? I don't want to order one and have it be too easy/too hard and waste another twenty bucks on another one <.<
How strong is your grip? Do you know? A good place to start if your grip is already pretty good is the 1.5 (and by pretty good I mean about <140 but >120 lbs of crush pressure)...
I'd go with your max DL# and then divide by 2... and then get the one that is a bit above your level. DL strength doesn't correlate exactly because it's not crush grip but it will give you a general idea of where you are.
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On September 18 2010 08:40 Catch wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2010 14:04 fatduck wrote:On September 17 2010 12:12 Catch wrote:
Gigaudas. Agreed man
Anyway, does anyone else love leg days as much as I do?
Today did squats, deadlifts, and calf raises (Along with three quick machines at the end)
Squats = 95x5, 135x5, 185x5, 190x5, and then all the way back down. At 95 I did 10 deep squats and the finally the bar by itself. I did the same thing for my Calfs (190'd it) and then did the sitting calf machine. Topped out at 135 on that.
Deadlifts I finally learned to do properly I think. Got 125.
Damn, I love leg day. Even if I can barely get in my car 145 squat, 75 press, 175 deadlift. God I love deadlifting, there's something about pulling that weight up and just slamming it down that just feels fucking amazing, right? Completely. Although I wouldnt say slamming anything with deadlifting is a good thing, youll end up hurt lol .
Yes leg days are the best feeling in the world when you've spent an hour lifting as much weight as your body possibly can and can barely walk and legs feel like jelly. I miss having squats/deadlifts 3x a week; i'm restricting myself to 1x a week because of rugby season  Sucks but rugby is one of the few things i enjoy more than a good gym session.
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On September 18 2010 10:27 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2010 09:32 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On September 18 2010 02:46 eshlow wrote:On September 18 2010 01:40 AoN.DimSum wrote:eshlow said most of it. But I just wanted to add, when lowering the weight, it is the same as going up. So hips are moving backward when lowering the bar. Your hip placement wasnt moving which is why you had trouble lowering the bar. btw did you know the guy doing the snatch in the back? He was flexible. @travis if you want to try something only like 4-5 people in the world can do, try captain of crush #4. It is grip training which is insanely hard. http://www.ironmind.com/ironmind/opencms/Main/captainsofcrush.htmlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captains_of_Crush_Grippers Yeah, CoC 4 is crazy. I met one of the guys who completed it, and he was demo bending huge nails and crushing apples like it was nothing. Insane strength. Even doing the CoC1 will give you an extremely strong handshake or impressive grip compared to the rest of the population ...I'm interested. How do I start this sort of training? Which CoC should I begin with? I don't want to order one and have it be too easy/too hard and waste another twenty bucks on another one <.< How strong is your grip? Do you know? A good place to start if your grip is already pretty good is the 1.5 (and by pretty good I mean about <140 but >120 lbs of crush pressure)... I'd go with your max DL# and then divide by 2... and then get the one that is a bit above your level. DL strength doesn't correlate exactly because it's not crush grip but it will give you a general idea of where you are.
My max is 385, so does that mean that I should go for the 2? Because it seems hiiiighly unlikely that I'd be able to do that off the bat, according to the testimonials and whatnot. Maybe just start with a 1.5 like you said originally? If it's too hard, is there a way to work up to it without buying the 1?
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Uh I would just go light, if you buy one that you cant close, then it will be useless lol
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On September 18 2010 14:26 AoN.DimSum wrote:
Uh I would just go light, if you buy one that you cant close, then it will be useless lol
u could do negatives! :D
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I have a question, I'm 5''7, small frame, around 140-145 but I have some fat around my stomach area and waist. My ultimate goal is to get around 150-155 ripped. What should I be doing to reach my goal? I'm a complete noob to this so any advice is helpful.
I'm not sure whether i should just lift weights, do cardio to get rid of fat, etc.
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On September 18 2010 14:49 EndlessRain wrote:
I have a question, I'm 5''7, small frame, around 140-145 but I have some fat around my stomach area and waist. My ultimate goal is to get around 150-155 ripped. What should I be doing to reach my goal? I'm a complete noob to this so any advice is helpful.
I'm not sure whether i should just lift weights, do cardio to get rid of fat, etc.
Start with Starting Strength, a 3 day a week weight lifting program. Information on this is in the opening post. With it, eat like a horse, drink a gallon of whole milk a day, and aggressively add weight to each of your lifts every session; I would even recommend reading the book by Mark Rippetoe and going through the Starting Strength wiki for information on how it works.
Do this program until you cannot any longer (this point will be obvious after you read the book). After that, you can go from then.
What you can expect from this program:
40-60 pounds added in 3-6 months
Your squat to move up 150-200 pounds
Your upper body strength to increase dramatically
Your stature to increase and, although you will get some fat (about 30% of your weight gain will be fat), you will actually look slimmer and better
After this, if you want, you can cut the fat down with weight lifting and a low carb diet such as a ketogenic diet (this will come later). Or, if you're enjoying strength training, you can move on to something like Madcow's 5x5 and get even more strength. The reason why you should start with muscle building routines is that as your muscle mass increases, so does your metabolism and capacity to lower your body fat percentage easily. Do you know why so many people try to get a six pack but can't, regardless of the thousands of crunches they do a day? It's because a.) they don't have enough muscle mass to make it reasonably easy and b.) they're going about it all wrong.
This is my sincere advice. You can be 155 and ripped if you want through this methodology (if you want to just stop bulking at 165 or so), or what you can do is turn into a 170-190 pound lean powerhouse. It's up to you, but I recommend milking Starting Strength for all you can before going for aesthetics.
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On September 18 2010 14:49 EndlessRain wrote:
I have a question, I'm 5''7, small frame, around 140-145 but I have some fat around my stomach area and waist. My ultimate goal is to get around 150-155 ripped. What should I be doing to reach my goal? I'm a complete noob to this so any advice is helpful.
I'm not sure whether i should just lift weights, do cardio to get rid of fat, etc.
You can do both. Don't worry about losing muscle when doing cardio. Weight training is independent of cardio. The idea is that you start working out on a consistent basis such that there is a demand in your body for it to change.
For example, lift your upper body on monday, your lower body on tuesday, off on wednesday, repeat thursday and friday, and take the weekend off. Cardio can be done at any day, but it's best done after a weight session since you're already warmed up.
I woldn't worry too much about diet when starting out. Simply just cut out the junk (ie colas, sugars, etc). Eventually as I started getting in good shape my eating habits just gradually changed over the course of time. This will allow you to lose some fat calories so you can start looking ripped at the stomach.
A solid exercise program is SS as recommended by eshlow (check the front page). If you don't have time to hit the gym or have a gym membership, there are also workouts that use your bodyweight. I feel like your ultimate goal is a bit too exaggerated unless you're really working hard, but you will definitely see some results after 3 months. SS is great such that it uses basic exercises that you perform with heavy weight, resulting in greater intensity. The greater the intensity, the greater the amount of change that will happen in your body over the course of time.
On September 18 2010 15:09 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
After this, if you want, you can cut the fat down with weight lifting and a low carb diet such as a ketogenic diet (this will come later). Or, if you're enjoying strength training, you can move on to something like Madcow's 5x5 and get even more strength. The reason why you should start with muscle building routines is that as your muscle mass increases, so does your metabolism and capacity to lower your body fat percentage easily. Do you know why so many people try to get a six pack but can't, regardless of the thousands of crunches they do a day? It's because a.) they don't have enough muscle mass to make it reasonably easy and b.) they're going about it all wrong.
I would NEVER recommend a low-carb diet for weight loss. (without going into too much detail) You need carbrohydrates to get your workouts in. It'll work for the first week, but eventually it'll do more bad then good.
Reason people can't get six packs regardless of the many crunches they do is that they have a layer of fat covering their abs. Crunches itself is anerobic-it does not burn a single ounce of fat (it burns sugar). To get rid of that layer of fat, you have to simply diet and cardio so you can burn that fat off. You can still do crunches such that it'll look firm and tight once all the fat is gone, but it's the amount of body fat in one's body that results in that six pack. Hence it's b), they're going about it all wrong. For a), they're on the right track. You can do a basic simple crunch with just their bodyweight and it'll do just the job.
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I would NEVER recommend a low-carb diet for weight loss. (without going into too much detail) You need carbrohydrates to get your workouts in. It'll work for the first week, but eventually it'll do more bad then good.
First of all, the ketogenic diet is unique in that it is done in cycles. For the first two weeks you eat no carbohydrates, which is fine, but then after that, you start "loading" carbohydrates once a week. On the other days you eat zero carbs, but once a week, you do to give yourself an extra push during workouts.
Second of all, you are completely misunderstanding the body's chemistry by saying that we somehow need carbohydrates to perform physically. The body just does not shut down from a lack of carbohydrates; if that were true, humans never would have lived this long. While some people do report mild tiredness on a low carbohydrate diet, there is no reason why somebody cannot perform in the gym on one. It may not be a wise idea to enter a strongman competition after months of low-carb dieting, but when it comes to fat loss, the benefits far outweigh the downfalls, considering the body utilizes fat stores much better when glucose stores are spent.
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Correct, even on a ketogenic diet if you're lifting your body will product enough carbohydrates through gluconeogenesis (in the liver) to fuel your workouts and your brain.
Now if you are doing aerobic activity such as light running for an hour or more you may not have enough energy to fuel longer constant low intensity activities.... but why would you want to be doing significant amounts of cardio when changing your body composition? Body composition is changed primarily through diet, and high intensity exercise such as lifting weights, sprinting,etc.
Rather look like a sprinter or marathon runner? Weight lifter or a cardio bunny? Yeah, I think the choice for guys is pretty obvious. (Same thing for females thoguh... you'll look much bvetter with heavy lifting because you don't have as much testosterone as guys to put on mass.... but some muscle generally looks very good on females).
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If I don't low carb, I'd never be able to get rid of that last bit of fat. Hell, I've tried plenty of different diets over the last 2 years..
Low carb cycling along with intense weight lifting and HIIT seems to do the job. You also tend to naturally avoid gluten this way. Although I'm not really sure what's so bad about gluten if you're not allergic to it.
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On September 18 2010 21:34 Energies wrote:
If I don't low carb, I'd never be able to get rid of that last bit of fat. Hell, I've tried plenty of different diets over the last 2 years..
Low carb cycling along with intense weight lifting and HIIT seems to do the job. You also tend to naturally avoid gluten this way. Although I'm not really sure what's so bad about gluten if you're not allergic to it.
People like celiac are overtly (outside) allergic.
Controlling occultic inflammation is a primary factor in obtaining better body composition. Absorbing nutrients better, processing, etc. is not just due to lower carb, but avoiding inflammation in the gut from gluten and excessive carbohydrates screwing up endothelial cell function.
Even if you don't FEEL allergic and show it on the outside, does not mean your body doesn't have any allergic reaction to it. Training is a spectrum of effects it can have on the body just like diet is.
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I've always found it strange how in this paradigm of nutrition and dietary research, the recommended diet is high carbohydrate and low fat. It doesn't take a genius to realize that we survived on fatty meats for 2.5 million years prior to the agricultural revolution, and the idea that a diet lacking in carbohydrates would suddenly sap us of energy is ridiculous. As a matter of fact, it has been shown that a meat-based diet was essential to our growth as a species.
Honestly, it isn't dietary fat that kills us, and it isn't a lack of carbohydrates that messes up our body chemistry. It's sugar. It's high fructose corn syrup. To a certain extent, it's the carbohydrates themselves that ruin our body composition and increase our chances of developing heart disease and cancer. After I am satisfied with my amount of muscle, I am going to try and maintain an extremely low (<50g/day) carbohydrate and high-fat/high green veggie diet to see how I feel. People complain about a lack of energy on such diets, but I have also heard the polar opposite--that when the body gets used to a strictly low carbohydrate diet, it adapts naturally and provides us with all of the energy we need, including other benefits such as clearer skin.
Bleh, if anybody has the time, I recommend a good reading of Gary Taubes's book Good Calories, Bad Calories. There's a lot of broscience flying around about how "a calorie is just a calorie," but Taubes cites research which shows why this just isn't true.
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I had to miss workout yesterday due to work being dragged on .
And I went drinking last night.
Fuck me
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On September 18 2010 20:00 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:Show nested quote +I would NEVER recommend a low-carb diet for weight loss. (without going into too much detail) You need carbrohydrates to get your workouts in. It'll work for the first week, but eventually it'll do more bad then good. First of all, the ketogenic diet is unique in that it is done in cycles. For the first two weeks you eat no carbohydrates, which is fine, but then after that, you start "loading" carbohydrates once a week. On the other days you eat zero carbs, but once a week, you do to give yourself an extra push during workouts. Second of all, you are completely misunderstanding the body's chemistry by saying that we somehow need carbohydrates to perform physically. The body just does not shut down from a lack of carbohydrates; if that were true, humans never would have lived this long. While some people do report mild tiredness on a low carbohydrate diet, there is no reason why somebody cannot perform in the gym on one. It may not be a wise idea to enter a strongman competition after months of low-carb dieting, but when it comes to fat loss, the benefits far outweigh the downfalls, considering the body utilizes fat stores much better when glucose stores are spent.
The reason low-carb diets work is simply that you're eating fewer calories, which helps in creating a calorie deficit sufficient for weight loss. The concept of carb cyling is great that you still get in your carbrohydrates in, but you don't need to create a cycle to get that extra snap. You probably will when you do that since your body will feel tried from the lack of carbs at the end of a low-carb cycle, but why suffer the pain of that and just eat a normal diet with complex carbs so you will feel great throughout?
I didn't say that the body needs carbs, it's just the main source of fuel for our body. If they body lacks carbrohydrates for energy, then the body switches over to protein as an energy source, and where's the best available protein you have? your muscles!!! This is why atkins/low carb diets don't work for a certain extent. You lose weight, but you won't end up being as muscular as you wanted to be, because it starts to eat your muscles!!.
Also, for fat to be utilized as an energy source, it has to be converted from the liver into sugar, then be stored in the muscles as glycogen. To keep this process from going, work has to be done for this demand to happen long and consistent enough such that fat us used as an energy source. How do you do that? Aerobic activity such as cardio. Hence, it's a combination of the carbrohydates AND fat which allows for long periods of workout time. For fat to be convereted to sugar, it has to require energy to do that first, and if there's no carbs available to used as energy... once again it has to resort to using PROTEIN as an energy source, which defeats the purpose of having fat being converted into sugar. That's why you end up with those days where you dont' have that snap or jolt of energy, simply because you didn't allow sufficient time for your muscles to restore itself with glycogen, and with a low-carb diet, the lack of glycogen in the muscles results in that lack of energy. I'm not saying that you can't go the gym because you're muscles are tired, just that you won't have the energy to be able to perform your exercises with greater intensity. Loading up with carbs will help with that, but why suffer the ups and downs of diet cyling when all in all, on average (over the course of month, per se), you're eating the same amount of food as you would be on a normal diet?
The best diet advice is simply by creating a calorie deficit. Eat the foods you like, but eat less of it. Incorporate more complex carbs, avoid the empty carbs, and you're on your way. Fancy diets work because it creates a calorie deficit. Combined with exercise, this calorie deficit over time will result into weight loss.
On September 18 2010 23:58 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:I've always found it strange how in this paradigm of nutrition and dietary research, the recommended diet is high carbohydrate and low fat. It doesn't take a genius to realize that we survived on fatty meats for 2.5 million years prior to the agricultural revolution, and the idea that a diet lacking in carbohydrates would suddenly sap us of energy is ridiculous. As a matter of fact, it has been shown that a meat-based diet was essential to our growth as a species. Honestly, it isn't dietary fat that kills us, and it isn't a lack of carbohydrates that messes up our body chemistry. It's sugar. It's high fructose corn syrup. To a certain extent, it's the carbohydrates themselves that ruin our body composition and increase our chances of developing heart disease and cancer. After I am satisfied with my amount of muscle, I am going to try and maintain an extremely low (<50g/day) carbohydrate and high-fat/high green veggie diet to see how I feel. People complain about a lack of energy on such diets, but I have also heard the polar opposite--that when the body gets used to a strictly low carbohydrate diet, it adapts naturally and provides us with all of the energy we need, including other benefits such as clearer skin. Bleh, if anybody has the time, I recommend a good reading of Gary Taubes's book Good Calories, Bad Calories. There's a lot of broscience flying around about how "a calorie is just a calorie," but Taubes cites research which shows why this just isn't true.
From what I read, it's actaully the cholestrol convert into FAT when not utilized that causes the development of heart diseases, not carbrohydrates. If that were true, triathletes and marathoners wouldn't die of heart disease as often. Simple sugars can be a factor since we began to consume more sugar these days in the forms of colas, sweetened drinks, and junk food, and combine that with the decrease in activity we end up not burning those sugars up.
The diet you wanted to achieve reminded me of this 1 hour google video. that made me turn vegan for about 3 hours. Just food for thought.
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On September 19 2010 03:04 earti wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2010 20:00 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:I would NEVER recommend a low-carb diet for weight loss. (without going into too much detail) You need carbrohydrates to get your workouts in. It'll work for the first week, but eventually it'll do more bad then good. First of all, the ketogenic diet is unique in that it is done in cycles. For the first two weeks you eat no carbohydrates, which is fine, but then after that, you start "loading" carbohydrates once a week. On the other days you eat zero carbs, but once a week, you do to give yourself an extra push during workouts. Second of all, you are completely misunderstanding the body's chemistry by saying that we somehow need carbohydrates to perform physically. The body just does not shut down from a lack of carbohydrates; if that were true, humans never would have lived this long. While some people do report mild tiredness on a low carbohydrate diet, there is no reason why somebody cannot perform in the gym on one. It may not be a wise idea to enter a strongman competition after months of low-carb dieting, but when it comes to fat loss, the benefits far outweigh the downfalls, considering the body utilizes fat stores much better when glucose stores are spent. The reason low-carb diets work is simply that you're eating fewer calories, which helps in creating a calorie deficit sufficient for weight loss. The concept of carb cyling is great that you still get in your carbrohydrates in, but you don't need to create a cycle to get that extra snap. You probably will when you do that since your body will feel tried from the lack of carbs at the end of a low-carb cycle, but why suffer the pain of that and just eat a normal diet with complex carbs so you will feel great throughout? I didn't say that the body needs carbs, it's just the main source of fuel for our body. If they body lacks carbrohydrates for energy, then the body switches over to protein as an energy source, and where's the best available protein you have? your muscles!!! This is why atkins/low carb diets don't work for a certain extent. You lose weight, but you won't end up being as muscular as you wanted to be, because it starts to eat your muscles!!. Also, for fat to be utilized as an energy source, it has to be converted from the liver into sugar, then be stored in the muscles as glycogen. To keep this process from going, work has to be done for this demand to happen long and consistent enough such that fat us used as an energy source. How do you do that? Aerobic activity such as cardio. Hence, it's a combination of the carbrohydates AND fat which allows for long periods of workout time. For fat to be convereted to sugar, it has to require energy to do that first, and if there's no carbs available to used as energy... once again it has to resort to using PROTEIN as an energy source, which defeats the purpose of having fat being converted into sugar. That's why you end up with those days where you dont' have that snap or jolt of energy, simply because you didn't allow sufficient time for your muscles to restore itself with glycogen, and with a low-carb diet, the lack of glycogen in the muscles results in that lack of energy. I'm not saying that you can't go the gym because you're muscles are tired, just that you won't have the energy to be able to perform your exercises with greater intensity. Loading up with carbs will help with that, but why suffer the ups and downs of diet cyling when all in all, on average (over the course of month, per se), you're eating the same amount of food as you would be on a normal diet? The best diet advice is simply by creating a calorie deficit. Eat the foods you like, but eat less of it. Incorporate more complex carbs, avoid the empty carbs, and you're on your way. Fancy diets work because it creates a calorie deficit. Combined with exercise, this calorie deficit over time will result into weight loss.
Dude, you don't know what you're talking about.
What is aerobic activity?
Light jogging? Yes.
Walking? Yes.
Sitting down on a couch and doing nothing? YES.
Aerobic means oxygen consumption. You're using oxygen all the time. Only difference is that some forms burn more energy than than others.
Beta oxidation (fat metabolism) IS a primary source of energy FOR the body ALL the time except during high intensity exercise. The only tissue that REQUIRES specific glucose is the brain. The liver can produce this through gluconeogenesis as we've already mentioned.
Protein is NEVER a primary nutrient for energy metabolism unless you're just eating meat and/or very little sources of other energy.
The reason why low carb diets are EFFECTIVE for weight loss is because they cut kcals, yes. To preserve your muscle mass during that you do high intensity exercise such as heavy lifting. Since this forces the body to not want to use muscle sources as potential energy, it will start increase metabolism of fat mass to make up the energy deficit. Generally, this takes a week or two to adapt. HOwever, you will only feel tired IF your total kcal are too low. Otherwise, you won't.
Excessive carbs are one of the problems (the others are excessive industrial processed oils, and caloric overcomsumption) of why there's so much metabolic syndrome, diabetes, hyperextension, cardiovascular disease, etc. in the world.
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From what I read, it's actaully the cholestrol convert into FAT when not utilized that causes the development of heart diseases, not carbrohydrates. If that were true, triathletes and marathoners wouldn't die of heart disease as often. Simple sugars can be a factor since we began to consume more sugar these days in the forms of colas, sweetened drinks, and junk food, and combine that with the decrease in activity we end up not burning those sugars up.
The diet you wanted to achieve reminded me of this 1 hour google video. that made me turn vegan for about 3 hours. Just food for thought.
The lipid hypothesis is terrible science.
Do you even know what cholesterol is? What it does?
It's not even remotely associated with converstion to fat...
I watched the first few minutes of that video and turn it off.
I would suggest you read this:
http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2010/05/cardiovascular-disease-and-eating-right-the-facts/
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Light jogging? Yes.
Walking? Yes.
Sitting down on a couch and doing nothing? YES.
Aerobic means oxygen consumption. You're using oxygen all the time. Only difference is that some forms burn more energy than than others.
Beta oxidation (fat metabolism) IS a primary source of energy FOR the body ALL the time except during high intensity exercise. The only tissue that REQUIRES specific glucose is the brain. The liver can produce this through gluconeogenesis as we've already mentioned.
The reason why low carb diets are EFFECTIVE for weight loss is because they cut kcals, yes. To preserve your muscle mass during that you do high intensity exercise such as heavy lifting. Since this forces the body to not want to use muscle sources as potential energy, it will start increase metabolism of fat mass to make up the energy deficit. Generally, this takes a week or two to adapt. HOwever, you will only feel tired IF your total kcal are too low. Otherwise, you won't.
Excessive carbs are one of the problems (the others are excessive industrial processed oils, and caloric overcomsumption) of why there's so much metabolic syndrome, diabetes, hyperextension, cardiovascular disease, etc. in the world.
Yes, doing nothing but typing this also burns calories, but say you don't want to wait that long for weight loss, that's where you pick up the intensity that burns more calories. Once you start picking up the intensity where it starts to stress your CV, that's where all the "beta oxidation" occurs, where the body produces fat-burning enzymes at a greater rate than you would do normally. You have to have a reason for your body to utilize your fat reserves. I'm not saying that to do HIIT, since you can't do it for a long period of time, but a point where you can still perform that high amount of intensity that stresses your Cadiovascular System but to be able to do for a long period of time.
A low-carb diet will work in the first week or so since there's available glycogen in your muscles to get away from such a thing. Resistance Training and other Intense workouts are anerobic-They burn sugar. Once you run out of carbs, Protein and fats are converted to sugar as an energy source, and you will not have any protein left over for muscle repair and growth. You will end up with smaller muscles regardless of how intense your exercises are to keep your muscles. Your body doesn't switch over to just fat if it runs out of carbs, it takes the next readily available source of energy if can convert. In this case, it's Protein that's readily available, which is used to metabolize the fat for sugar (then again this is a slow process) Ever tried burning a candle without a wick? Think of the wick as a the protein needed to covert that fat into energy rather than the usual carbs.
With no carbrohydrates, yes, fat AND protein are convereted into sugars as energy source, but it's a slow process. It's not as readily available such as carbs do. This is why you start to feel sluggish in your workouts over time simply due to the lack of sugar in your muscles. If the protein you ate are used as an energy source, you simply run out of protein that's available for muscle repair. This is where complex carbrohydrates come in. They provide the sugars needed for your workouts allowing the protein to be used for muscle repair.
Excessive carbs is caloric overconsumption, which kinda contradicts why you complain that why carbs are one of the problems. Carbs and Proteins has approximately 4 calories per gram, whereas Fat has 9 calories. Fat also has no coversion time and just sticks to your body.
On September 19 2010 03:28 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +From what I read, it's actaully the cholestrol convert into FAT when not utilized that causes the development of heart diseases, not carbrohydrates. If that were true, triathletes and marathoners wouldn't die of heart disease as often. Simple sugars can be a factor since we began to consume more sugar these days in the forms of colas, sweetened drinks, and junk food, and combine that with the decrease in activity we end up not burning those sugars up.
The diet you wanted to achieve reminded me of this 1 hour google video. that made me turn vegan for about 3 hours. Just food for thought. The lipid hypothesis is terrible science. Do you even know what cholesterol is? What it does? It's not even remotely associated with converstion to fat... I watched the first few minutes of that video and turn it off. I would suggest you read this: http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2010/05/cardiovascular-disease-and-eating-right-the-facts/
That video I watched scared the living shit out of me too. I'm not the only one. The best diet out there is resorting to less processed food. If I had the money to live like that on that such of a diet, I'd do so.
In the article you posted, I can see how the body can live without carbrohyrdates and can live off the fat instead by allowing the metabolism to convert it (gluconeogenesis). The process iteself still takes energy and time. If you just traded the amount of calories from fat into carbs, you skip this step altogether. Not only that you're not consuming extra fat, but it can also start using the fat that's already in your body to use as energy instead.
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Just a question eshlow. You say that caloric overconsumption is one of the main reasons for a lot of the health problems but can you explain how different that is when we eat a lot like in starting strength? Or is it overconsumption of empty calories like candy and cake you're talking about?
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On September 19 2010 05:02 earti wrote:Show nested quote +
Light jogging? Yes.
Walking? Yes.
Sitting down on a couch and doing nothing? YES.
Aerobic means oxygen consumption. You're using oxygen all the time. Only difference is that some forms burn more energy than than others.
Beta oxidation (fat metabolism) IS a primary source of energy FOR the body ALL the time except during high intensity exercise. The only tissue that REQUIRES specific glucose is the brain. The liver can produce this through gluconeogenesis as we've already mentioned.
The reason why low carb diets are EFFECTIVE for weight loss is because they cut kcals, yes. To preserve your muscle mass during that you do high intensity exercise such as heavy lifting. Since this forces the body to not want to use muscle sources as potential energy, it will start increase metabolism of fat mass to make up the energy deficit. Generally, this takes a week or two to adapt. HOwever, you will only feel tired IF your total kcal are too low. Otherwise, you won't.
Excessive carbs are one of the problems (the others are excessive industrial processed oils, and caloric overcomsumption) of why there's so much metabolic syndrome, diabetes, hyperextension, cardiovascular disease, etc. in the world.
Yes, doing nothing but typing this also burns calories, but say you don't want to wait that long for weight loss, that's where you pick up the intensity that burns more calories. Once you start picking up the intensity where it starts to stress your CV, that's where all the "beta oxidation" occurs, where the body produces fat-burning enzymes at a greater rate than you would do normally. You have to have a reason for your body to utilize your fat reserves. I'm not saying that to do HIIT, since you can't do it for a long period of time, but a point where you can still perform that high amount of intensity that stresses your Cadiovascular System but to be able to do for a long period of time.
I said high intensity training.
Heavy weightlifting is considered high intensity training.
If I meant HIIT I would've said HIIT. Metabolic conditioning, like HIIT, is similarly considered high intensity as well which is why I differentiated.
There is no significant dropoff from low carb to heavy weightlifting or other similar high intensity anaerobic protocols. There is for ones with large aerobic components such as HIIT and metabolic conditioning.
A low-carb diet will work in the first week or so since there's available glycogen in your muscles to get away from such a thing. Resistance Training and other Intense workouts are anerobic-They burn sugar. Once you run out of carbs, Protein and fats are converted to sugar as an energy source, and you will not have any protein left over for muscle repair and growth. You will end up with smaller muscles regardless of how intense your exercises are to keep your muscles. Your body doesn't switch over to just fat if it runs out of carbs, it takes the next readily available source of energy if can convert. In this case, it's Protein that's readily available, which is used to metabolize the fat for sugar (then again this is a slow process) Ever tried burning a candle without a wick? Think of the wick as a the protein needed to covert that fat into energy rather than the usual carbs.
Duh? I already know this. I have a degree in biochemistry.
The body has the amazing process called gluconeogenesis that I keep referring to that allows it to produce glucose not only for the brain but to replenish it for the muscles.
For weightlifting, again, there's no significant dropoffs in ability. The biggest thing you'll see is maybe being a bit lethargic during the day. That's about it.
The body will upreguate B-oxidative enzymes once it starts sensing that it needs to dip into fat stores for energy.
Again, as long as there is a stimulus there is no consumption of significant amounts of protein as fuel. That's why we implemented heavy lifting during this in the first place.
Riddle me this. Why is it that any competitive athlete who has to cut weight (including bodybuilders) ALWAYS use a low carb diet? Why? If a high carb with kcal deficit diet works so well why isn't it used, especially with those trying to cut the last amounts of body fat off (aka the most stubborn body fat)?
The simple fact is that low carb works the best for cutting off fat. And, the good part is, high fat high protein diets with QUALITY foods are the healthiest for most humans too.
With no carbrohydrates, yes, fat AND protein are convereted into sugars as energy source, but it's a slow process. It's not as readily available such as carbs do. This is why you start to feel sluggish in your workouts over time simply due to the lack of sugar in your muscles. If the protein you ate are used as an energy source, you simply run out of protein that's available for muscle repair. This is where complex carbrohydrates come in. They provide the sugars needed for your workouts allowing the protein to be used for muscle repair.
Again, only happens ifyou do high intensity aerobic training such as HIIT or metabolic conditioning.
Heavy weightlifting does not have the same effects, and it spares protein from the muscles.
Excessive carbs is caloric overconsumption, which kinda contradicts why you complain that why carbs are one of the problems. Carbs and Proteins has approximately 4 calories per gram, whereas Fat has 9 calories. Fat also has no coversion time and just sticks to your body.
No, excessive carbs in macronutrient ratio is the problem ALONG with overconsumption and industrial seed oils.
kcals has nothing to do with this. NOt all macros are created equal. Quality matters.
On September 19 2010 03:28 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +From what I read, it's actaully the cholestrol convert into FAT when not utilized that causes the development of heart diseases, not carbrohydrates. If that were true, triathletes and marathoners wouldn't die of heart disease as often. Simple sugars can be a factor since we began to consume more sugar these days in the forms of colas, sweetened drinks, and junk food, and combine that with the decrease in activity we end up not burning those sugars up.
The diet you wanted to achieve reminded me of this 1 hour google video. that made me turn vegan for about 3 hours. Just food for thought. The lipid hypothesis is terrible science. Do you even know what cholesterol is? What it does? It's not even remotely associated with converstion to fat... I watched the first few minutes of that video and turn it off. I would suggest you read this: http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2010/05/cardiovascular-disease-and-eating-right-the-facts/
That video I watched scared the living shit out of me too. I'm not the only one. The best diet out there is resorting to less processed food. If I had the money to live like that on that such of a diet, I'd do so.
In the article you posted, I can see how the body can live without carbrohyrdates and can live off the fat instead by allowing the metabolism to convert it (gluconeogenesis). The process iteself still takes energy and time. If you just traded the amount of calories from fat into carbs, you skip this step altogether. Not only that you're not consuming extra fat, but it can also start using the fat that's already in your body to use as energy instead.[/QUOTE]
Uh, the fat that you body is FORCED to use good fats from the diet makes helps drive the process of enzymatic production of more beta oxidative enzymes...... that's part of why it works.
Excessive macronutrient proportions of carbohydrates are highly inflammatory. You do know that all heart disease, stroke, cancer, diabetes (type II and III), auto-immune diseases (celiac, rheumatoid arthritis, diabetes type I, etc.) are ALL chronic inflammatory diseases do you not?
The foot pyramid that the US government has contributes to problems in obesity, metabolic syndrome, diabetes, etc. Significantly. I don't know what you guys in Canada use, but it doesn't look like it's going much better up there.
On September 19 2010 05:54 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
Just a question eshlow. You say that caloric overconsumption is one of the main reasons for a lot of the health problems but can you explain how different that is when we eat a lot like in starting strength? Or is it overconsumption of empty calories like candy and cake you're talking about?
If the excessive macronutrients are being used as energy for something (aka building muscle mass) it's fine.
Lots of the damage occurs when you start accumulating excessive amounts of visceral fat which leads to many problems. But even if you're not fat, eating excessive amounts of CRAP still leads to chronic degeneration -- case in point arthritis.
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