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On April 14 2013 03:55 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 03:53 Shaella wrote:On April 14 2013 03:42 Excludos wrote:
Phantom, fucking, Lancer.
I know he's probably not broken on a pro level (altough we don't know yet). But in Pubs, where teamwork is a rarity, tactics are futile, and skills are wanting, he's far too powerful to handle. Even if I go for a strong ganker like Bara, Storm, Invoker or such, you don't stand a chance unless you have your team with you..and in pubs, you simply wont.. >strong ganker >barathrum >strong >BARATHRUM >STRONG I think we've determined where the problem in this equation Also, we do know he's not broken on a pro level, if he were, he'd be picked a hell of a lot more He's a strong ganker when I play him o:-) I don't think he's opened in CM yet? I might be wrong, but I don't remember having seen him yet.
he's been in CM for a long time, and he's practically a joke hero with how bad he is
I think there's a story out there where Liquid and Dignitas were going to scrim, and then Dig firstpicked Barathrum and Liquid all left the game
On April 14 2013 03:58 Delphiki wrote:
uhhm barathrum is a strong ganker
No. Barathrum isn't a strong anything.
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Ganking is the thing that he is the least shit at.
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Didn't Na`vi pick bara during a pro game one time? I forgot when or who they were playing but they did lose rofl
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AR, we get Luna, OD, SS, WR and puck (me). WR wants to carry this game ( "trust me, I'm 14-2 on WR" ) and when we finally convince her she needs to play support she says ok, but I need phase and forcestaff to escape and then I'll play support. I ended up buying both couriers, all wards, gem and dust.
Also she told me to upgrade the courier (I had no money) so she could bottle crow, and told me to get wards for her against broodmother.
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On April 14 2013 04:02 Shaella wrote:No. Barathrum isn't a strong anything.
Yes he isn't a strong ganking, especially since he wasn't built for ganking..
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On April 14 2013 05:53 Delphiki wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 04:02 Shaella wrote:On April 14 2013 03:58 Delphiki wrote:
uhhm barathrum is a strong ganker No. Barathrum isn't a strong anything. Yes he isn't a strong ganking, especially since he wasn't built for ganking..
Doesn't mean he's good at it.
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On April 14 2013 05:21 10734 wrote:
AR, we get Luna, OD, SS, WR and puck (me). WR wants to carry this game ( "trust me, I'm 14-2 on WR" ) and when we finally convince her she needs to play support she says ok, but I need phase and forcestaff to escape and then I'll play support. I ended up buying both couriers, all wards, gem and dust.
Also she told me to upgrade the courier (I had no money) so she could bottle crow, and told me to get wards for her against broodmother.
Man what a bitch WR's always soo full of themselves
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SB does have one unique merit to him - his charge locks on to characters even if they go invis. Sounds like a pretty useful thing to gank that fucking PL.
but yeah he's in trash-tier along with Bloodseeker, Ogre Magi and Razor
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On April 14 2013 06:04 MugenXBanksy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 05:21 10734 wrote:
AR, we get Luna, OD, SS, WR and puck (me). WR wants to carry this game ( "trust me, I'm 14-2 on WR" ) and when we finally convince her she needs to play support she says ok, but I need phase and forcestaff to escape and then I'll play support. I ended up buying both couriers, all wards, gem and dust.
Also she told me to upgrade the courier (I had no money) so she could bottle crow, and told me to get wards for her against broodmother.
Man what a bitch WR's always soo full of themselves
whoa whoa whoa, don't hate on WR just because of some douche that refused to play support
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600 wins guy
blocks the safelane
lane immediately pushes to the solo WRs tower
how are you so bad ruskie, those are 1200 dota games that you've played
how can you be so dense after that many games played?
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On April 14 2013 06:43 hooahah wrote:
SB does have one unique merit to him - his charge locks on to characters even if they go invis. Sounds like a pretty useful thing to gank that fucking PL.
but yeah he's in trash-tier along with Bloodseeker, Ogre Magi and Razor
>implying ogre magi is trash tier
You know whats also useful to gank heros with invisibility?
180 gold. Spent on dust
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Damn, we had a back and forth game. Around the 50min mark it got to their mid rax gone, and were down all rax (mega creeps). We make a final push mid, the enemy team gets caught out by us, we give them a teamwipe, all their supports buy back. Were taking down the T4 towers. I look at base, the mega creeps are pouring in. We have no glyph. I tell someone to TP back. I focus really hard trying to kill all the towers and ignore the enemy supports that are hitting me. I look back at base, no one TP'd. We lost just as we started damaging their throne.
More like self QQ on my part. I shouldve been the one to TP back, since I was a farmed doom. Or better yet, I shoulda just TP'd back myself and not even ask anyone else. Cant really count on pub teammates your orders, not when everything boils down to literally seconds. =(
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On April 14 2013 07:10 Shaella wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 06:43 hooahah wrote:
SB does have one unique merit to him - his charge locks on to characters even if they go invis. Sounds like a pretty useful thing to gank that fucking PL.
but yeah he's in trash-tier along with Bloodseeker, Ogre Magi and Razor >implying ogre magi is trash tier You know whats also useful to gank heros with invisibility? 180 gold. Spent on dust
yeah, but SB locks on the target and chases after him, whereas if the PL is competent he'll realize he's being ganked and will just gtfo before you try to gank him. This works great vs Riki/BH where the biggest problem is knowing where they are - SB does that automatically.
next time don't be so pompous please.
and yeah, Ogre Magi is bad. He's one of favorite heroes but that doesn't make him any better. There's a reason he's universally ignored in the pro scene, and his randomness is only half of it
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On April 14 2013 07:24 hooahah wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 07:10 Shaella wrote:On April 14 2013 06:43 hooahah wrote:
SB does have one unique merit to him - his charge locks on to characters even if they go invis. Sounds like a pretty useful thing to gank that fucking PL.
but yeah he's in trash-tier along with Bloodseeker, Ogre Magi and Razor >implying ogre magi is trash tier You know whats also useful to gank heros with invisibility? 180 gold. Spent on dust yeah, but SB locks on the target and chases after him, whereas if the PL is competent he'll realize he's being ganked and will just gtfo before you try to gank him. This works great vs Riki/BH where the biggest problem is knowing where they are - SB does that automatically. next time don't be so pompous please. and yeah, Ogre Magi is bad. He's one of favorite heroes but that doesn't make him any better. There's a reason he's universally ignored in the pro scene, and his randomness is only half of it
Uh he's been picked up in more than a handful of games in the last few months. Yeah he's niche but he's far from 'universally ignored'
Even just today he was played in 2 games.
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On April 14 2013 07:37 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 07:24 hooahah wrote:On April 14 2013 07:10 Shaella wrote:On April 14 2013 06:43 hooahah wrote:
SB does have one unique merit to him - his charge locks on to characters even if they go invis. Sounds like a pretty useful thing to gank that fucking PL.
but yeah he's in trash-tier along with Bloodseeker, Ogre Magi and Razor >implying ogre magi is trash tier You know whats also useful to gank heros with invisibility? 180 gold. Spent on dust yeah, but SB locks on the target and chases after him, whereas if the PL is competent he'll realize he's being ganked and will just gtfo before you try to gank him. This works great vs Riki/BH where the biggest problem is knowing where they are - SB does that automatically. next time don't be so pompous please. and yeah, Ogre Magi is bad. He's one of favorite heroes but that doesn't make him any better. There's a reason he's universally ignored in the pro scene, and his randomness is only half of it Uh he's been picked up in more than a handful of games in the last few months. Yeah he's niche but he's far from 'universally ignored' Even just today he was played in 2 games.
link to games/results please
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On April 14 2013 07:48 hooahah wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 07:37 deconduo wrote:On April 14 2013 07:24 hooahah wrote:On April 14 2013 07:10 Shaella wrote:On April 14 2013 06:43 hooahah wrote:
SB does have one unique merit to him - his charge locks on to characters even if they go invis. Sounds like a pretty useful thing to gank that fucking PL.
but yeah he's in trash-tier along with Bloodseeker, Ogre Magi and Razor >implying ogre magi is trash tier You know whats also useful to gank heros with invisibility? 180 gold. Spent on dust yeah, but SB locks on the target and chases after him, whereas if the PL is competent he'll realize he's being ganked and will just gtfo before you try to gank him. This works great vs Riki/BH where the biggest problem is knowing where they are - SB does that automatically. next time don't be so pompous please. and yeah, Ogre Magi is bad. He's one of favorite heroes but that doesn't make him any better. There's a reason he's universally ignored in the pro scene, and his randomness is only half of it Uh he's been picked up in more than a handful of games in the last few months. Yeah he's niche but he's far from 'universally ignored' Even just today he was played in 2 games. link to games/results please
Two separate games against Empire he was played by teamliquid, and they won both of them :D
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On April 14 2013 07:24 hooahah wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 07:10 Shaella wrote:On April 14 2013 06:43 hooahah wrote:
SB does have one unique merit to him - his charge locks on to characters even if they go invis. Sounds like a pretty useful thing to gank that fucking PL.
but yeah he's in trash-tier along with Bloodseeker, Ogre Magi and Razor >implying ogre magi is trash tier You know whats also useful to gank heros with invisibility? 180 gold. Spent on dust yeah, but SB locks on the target and chases after him, whereas if the PL is competent he'll realize he's being ganked and will just gtfo before you try to gank him. This works great vs Riki/BH where the biggest problem is knowing where they are - SB does that automatically. next time don't be so pompous please.
Your argument is really quite silly, so the Riki/BH can't realize that they're getting ganked and GTFO before you gank them?
Dust is an equally effective solution against ALL invis heros. And Barathrum is STILL a terrible ganker. If you really want to gank PL without him being able to get away with invis, pick BH and use Track, BH has skills that actually contribute to a teams abilities to fight, Barathrum brings literally nothing to the table.
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On April 14 2013 08:22 Shaella wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 07:24 hooahah wrote:On April 14 2013 07:10 Shaella wrote:On April 14 2013 06:43 hooahah wrote:
SB does have one unique merit to him - his charge locks on to characters even if they go invis. Sounds like a pretty useful thing to gank that fucking PL.
but yeah he's in trash-tier along with Bloodseeker, Ogre Magi and Razor >implying ogre magi is trash tier You know whats also useful to gank heros with invisibility? 180 gold. Spent on dust yeah, but SB locks on the target and chases after him, whereas if the PL is competent he'll realize he's being ganked and will just gtfo before you try to gank him. This works great vs Riki/BH where the biggest problem is knowing where they are - SB does that automatically. next time don't be so pompous please. Your argument is really quite silly, so the Riki/BH can't realize that they're getting ganked and GTFO before you gank them? Dust is an equally effective solution against ALL invis heros. And Barathrum is STILL a terrible ganker. If you really want to gank PL without him being able to get away with invis, pick BH and use Track, BH has skills that actually contribute to a teams abilities to fight, Barathrum brings literally nothing to the table.
You are hopeless. Bara can gank anywhere on the map, has pseudo-bash, increased ms, an ss that pushes u back and you are saying he cant gank? He can be real shitty in the hands of a noob player but with an experienced player he can be a real pain in the ass. Don't put off a hero just because you can't play it
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On April 14 2013 09:29 Delphiki wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 08:22 Shaella wrote:On April 14 2013 07:24 hooahah wrote:On April 14 2013 07:10 Shaella wrote:On April 14 2013 06:43 hooahah wrote:
SB does have one unique merit to him - his charge locks on to characters even if they go invis. Sounds like a pretty useful thing to gank that fucking PL.
but yeah he's in trash-tier along with Bloodseeker, Ogre Magi and Razor >implying ogre magi is trash tier You know whats also useful to gank heros with invisibility? 180 gold. Spent on dust yeah, but SB locks on the target and chases after him, whereas if the PL is competent he'll realize he's being ganked and will just gtfo before you try to gank him. This works great vs Riki/BH where the biggest problem is knowing where they are - SB does that automatically. next time don't be so pompous please. Your argument is really quite silly, so the Riki/BH can't realize that they're getting ganked and GTFO before you gank them? Dust is an equally effective solution against ALL invis heros. And Barathrum is STILL a terrible ganker. If you really want to gank PL without him being able to get away with invis, pick BH and use Track, BH has skills that actually contribute to a teams abilities to fight, Barathrum brings literally nothing to the table. You are hopeless. Bara can gank anywhere on the map, has pseudo-bash, increased ms, an ss that pushes u back and you are saying he cant gank? He can be real shitty in the hands of a noob player but with an experienced player he can be a real pain in the ass. Don't put off a hero just because you can't play it
Bara can gank anywhere on the map slowly, and easily spotted out by wards
His pseudo bash has a measly 17% chance, and he's str so attack speed in low
INCREASED MS OH MY GOD SO STRONG.
his damage is relatively low, he requires protection in lane because he has very little strength in it.
He's utterly worthless against players of any skill because the inherent strength of the hero is quite honestly, pitiful.
Wisp is better than Bara in literally every category, and does it with zero farm
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On April 14 2013 08:22 Shaella wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 07:24 hooahah wrote:On April 14 2013 07:10 Shaella wrote:On April 14 2013 06:43 hooahah wrote:
SB does have one unique merit to him - his charge locks on to characters even if they go invis. Sounds like a pretty useful thing to gank that fucking PL.
but yeah he's in trash-tier along with Bloodseeker, Ogre Magi and Razor >implying ogre magi is trash tier You know whats also useful to gank heros with invisibility? 180 gold. Spent on dust yeah, but SB locks on the target and chases after him, whereas if the PL is competent he'll realize he's being ganked and will just gtfo before you try to gank him. This works great vs Riki/BH where the biggest problem is knowing where they are - SB does that automatically. next time don't be so pompous please. Your argument is really quite silly, so the Riki/BH can't realize that they're getting ganked and GTFO before you gank them? Dust is an equally effective solution against ALL invis heros. And Barathrum is STILL a terrible ganker. If you really want to gank PL without him being able to get away with invis, pick BH and use Track, BH has skills that actually contribute to a teams abilities to fight, Barathrum brings literally nothing to the table.
I'm not argueing SB's effectivity or how he ranks vs other gankers, nor am I argueing wether or not Dust is good (it's great)
all I'm saying is that SB has a -unique- ability in that he locks on to heroes even if they go invis, meaning they can't escape (figuritivly, ofc if they have wards and teammates and whatnot Bara would just smack into them and die)
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