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On April 12 2013 22:23 10734 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 22:10 eu.exodus wrote:On April 12 2013 20:26 10734 wrote:
Holy shit, I'm qop vs SF mid, bot lane (SD and NS) manages to die 6 times before 10 minutes. In mid I didn't do too well but SF had threads and a bottle at 10 minutes (he also had 2 kills and an assist) so I guessed I did alright. Nope, according to SD we lost because I didn't gank bot. When I ask what's better, 3 kills or free farm SF for 10 minutes, I get called a retard.
Just watched the replay, when I hit 6 lion and razor were both 6 too, so we would've just died as NS didn't level his silence.
After a while he tells the opponents to report me and says he'll commend them for doing so, they get tired of his shit too and report him, lol. Non-stop voice/text bitching about how I ruined his game, worst rager I've ever seen.
Next game, I'm dazzle, try to stack the pull camp, LD blocks it, blames me and starts single pulling every wave, have to apologize to make him stop qop should prioritize ganking over farming. Qop can't really do much against sf when it comes to flash farming so the best thing to do would be to get a level advantage and snowball. Also NS shouldn't be in a lane. In a normal game yes, problem is there was no level advantage for me (Going in at 5 without a rune was possible I guess), besides, why would you gank lion or razor? To slow them down? To get a bit more money on NS and SD? SF was their main carry and he was all alone in mid.
Why the hell wouldnt you go gank if it would be successful?
That being said, when I'm playing mid I also hate that no one ever comes to gank, I mean SF is fucking easy to gank, and he is useless in midgame if you do so.
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On April 12 2013 22:18 Erasme wrote:
Saying that qop should prioritize ganking over farming is wrong. Qop can dominate sf in lane, if you take your early advantage. Its a mentality that comes from LoL that mid should gank. Mid shouldnt gank, other lanes should gank mid.
I thought it was the jungler that should gank every lane and only certain mids (Leblanc, Akali) would be expected to gank the sidelanes. As I remember ganking mids were supposedly more common early on in the days of LoL. Have things shifted back that way since I stopped playing?
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It's not from LoL. It's something I've been hearing for years, far before LoL was popular. It's like the need to have a "tank". It may happen more often in LoL, but I'm pretty sure it didn't originate there.
The idea is that the mid hero has more mobility between the lanes and abuse the rune control to gank the sidelanes. The games also didn't (and still don't) work like pro games, where the trilane supports can easily gank mid because they are outside enemy vision most of the time, so the carry wouldn't really be under that much pressure anyway. It's diferent if you are 2v2 and leaving the lane is not only more obvious but also riskier for the hero you leave alone. Saying mids should always be ganking is wrong, and pubs really could gank mid more often, but saying sidelanes should always be the ones ganking mid is also wrong. It all depends on lineups, vision, etc.
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the thing everyone saying "mid should be ganking omg" don't realise is that you are sacrificing huge amounts of farm and xp to gank a side lane. it's good to gank a side lane if you pick up a dd or haste and you see them out of position or think you have kill potential.
it ISN'T your job as mid to go try win a lost lane by trilaning it, which is something no one in a pub seems to believve. if one of your lanes is feeding you have to do something drastic, like sending one of them mid to catch up while you try to stop the bleeding in the lane they left.
ps a roaming cm or es is so broken in pubs
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On April 12 2013 23:25 StoRm_res wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 22:23 10734 wrote:On April 12 2013 22:10 eu.exodus wrote:On April 12 2013 20:26 10734 wrote:
Holy shit, I'm qop vs SF mid, bot lane (SD and NS) manages to die 6 times before 10 minutes. In mid I didn't do too well but SF had threads and a bottle at 10 minutes (he also had 2 kills and an assist) so I guessed I did alright. Nope, according to SD we lost because I didn't gank bot. When I ask what's better, 3 kills or free farm SF for 10 minutes, I get called a retard.
Just watched the replay, when I hit 6 lion and razor were both 6 too, so we would've just died as NS didn't level his silence.
After a while he tells the opponents to report me and says he'll commend them for doing so, they get tired of his shit too and report him, lol. Non-stop voice/text bitching about how I ruined his game, worst rager I've ever seen.
Next game, I'm dazzle, try to stack the pull camp, LD blocks it, blames me and starts single pulling every wave, have to apologize to make him stop qop should prioritize ganking over farming. Qop can't really do much against sf when it comes to flash farming so the best thing to do would be to get a level advantage and snowball. Also NS shouldn't be in a lane. In a normal game yes, problem is there was no level advantage for me (Going in at 5 without a rune was possible I guess), besides, why would you gank lion or razor? To slow them down? To get a bit more money on NS and SD? SF was their main carry and he was all alone in mid. Why the hell wouldnt you go gank if it would be successful? That being said, when I'm playing mid I also hate that no one ever comes to gank, I mean SF is fucking easy to gank, and he is useless in midgame if you do so.
it was possible as in I could go to that lane and try, not sure if it would actually be succesful.
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Oh btw guys, the SB --> Aghanims --> crit --> butterfly build for Venomancer was an oldschool build (6.25-6.30/6.35) when ganks weren't around yet and teams grinded out and farmed for items for clashes. Back then there wasn't as much priority for roles (hell, no one warded) and everyone was expected to get the top tier items for their heroes. Even Venge's first item was supposed to be Stygian Desolator.
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When did valve become so fucking incompetent at running servers? No wonder this fucking game is still in beta.
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So I random TA, and i don't want to play her.
Swapping for a lina.
TA feeds 5 kills to pudge in 3mins..
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All random, just got the worst pushing team of all time. Zeus (me), Lion, Dazzle, Tree and Sand King vs SF, Jakiro, Ogre, Necro and OD. I tried playing carry and beat SF mid pretty well, but they straight up out pushed us til they won, despite us being up on kills until the end. Also Tree abandoned.
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On April 13 2013 02:03 Teton wrote:
So I random TA, and i don't want to play her.
Swapping for a lina.
TA feeds 5 kills to pudge in 3mins..
she would've fed regardless so...yeah, tough luck.
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On April 13 2013 01:43 Zealos wrote:
When did valve become so fucking incompetent at running servers? No wonder this fucking game is still in beta.
Theyre on their annual vacation this week so they werent there to fix the servers when they started failing
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I hate how there are certain heroes that I know from the start screen will have bad games, and will be worthless at best, or outright cost us the game at worst. When someone on my team picks wisp, tiny, pugna, earthshaker, magnus, undying, or meepo, I just want to instantly quit ( i will admit that I will see a good magnus on the opponent's teams every now and then, though).
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I swear...last night just... -_-
Game 1 I decide to try Clinkz out. I don't play him much and I'm not a huge fan but occasionally I'll try out ones I've not played in a while and find it fun. Other team is smart buys detection constantly. Plus other team has Mirana so when I try to gank someone...poof they disappear. Nobody ganks jungling Lifestealer and we die a horrible, horrible death.
Game 2 time to get a bit more serious. Windrunner solo offlane vs Riki/Invoker. I do a lot of damage and harrass a lot. Do quite well considering (their Invoker's sunstrikes were a nightmare). Doesn't matter...mid Zeus gets fed and double global nukes with Zeus ult plus Sunstrike means they both get fifteen kills. Medusa is totally useless and feeds eleven. Doesn't listen when I repeatedly tell to just go and farm so we can outcarry, finishes with no kills and spends the ENTIRE game calling for wards, blaming our loss on lack of wards. This is after pissing off the Witch Doctor supporting her by yelling at him, meaning he just muted the entire team.
Game 3 a guy picks QOP in the single pick cycle after the opponent picked Nyx. He keeps calling for someone to pick Timber and swap. Opposing team then picks Silencer and then I begrudgingly pick Timbersaw for him, figuring if I didn't he'd just feed with QOP. They put Silencer mid vs me resulting in a ton of damage, no wards so I have no rune control either. Then I get yelled at for not ganking, so I try to gank and they fluff it. Teamfights go terribly because our lineup includes Witch Doctor, QOP and Dark Seer, so Global Silence was devastating to our teamfight capabilities. Timbersaw spends the rest of the game yelling in allchat about how his team is full of noobs and he is the only good one and how they should report us, to the point that the other team all reported him.
Game 4. Cancer Lancer freefarm on the other team plus aghs Warlock. Enough said. Doesn't help that our Batrider was going on and on and on from about minute fifteen about how it was gg because they had better lategame despite the fact we had a Sven (who, farmed up, would tear through Illusions of both their PL and their Naga) and a Spectre (a solid superfarm carry). Spectre did well but Sven never got farmed and we died under waves of unkillable Illusions.
Yup. Game hates positive win ratios.
Game 5 last night is actually relevant to this ganking conversation. I agree that this idea that "mid always needs to gank" is kinda silly and outdated. Its situational. Mid should be where they can have the most impact and control the game flow. Whether that's ganking sidelanes or keeping a mid SF in check. And ganking mid can totally flip the game on its head because a lot of people don't really know how to deal with aggression on their mid.
What happened that final game was I ended up as CK with Silencer against Kunkka/Warlock with a jungling Lycan in suicide lane. We took a ton of damage so together we decided to abandon the lane and just start ganking mid. That pretty much shut down their Sand King forcing Lycan and eventually Warlock and Kunkka to come down against us. So we had this really weird period where it was basically 4v4 (their AM busily getting dominated by our PL in our safelane) with Clinkz and support Windrunner drifting up from protecting PL. Which gave space for PL to freefarm for 30 mins and then a-move the other team.
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I take Naix. Picks that are following - Furion (perfect, i wont need to expalin why i wont jungle on naix), Sniper (calls mid), Puck (cals offlane). If you guessed that last dude took Void high five to you. If you also guessed that this dude never hit a single chrono on more than one enemy while managing to catch at least 1 teammate in it every time then high five to you again.
10 or something loses streak atm, almost every game ruined by retardation like this, used to have 90% of games in very high, now im stuck at high where shit like this happens almost all time. Previous game i had safe lane sven with wd support (and wd was rly cool) ending game with 200 gpm. They were vs offlane solo tide. There was track gold (and loads of it) in that game.
When i think about it, i will just delete Dota 2, no point in playing it with current machmaking if after 2 hours of this game i end up getting irritated like fuck,
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Every time I see a Mirana who still skips ulti at 6 I die a little inside.
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On April 13 2013 05:03 hooahah wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 02:03 Teton wrote:
So I random TA, and i don't want to play her.
Swapping for a lina.
TA feeds 5 kills to pudge in 3mins.. she would've fed regardless so...yeah, tough luck.
Woah woah dude TA can do well against pudge imo I do anyways..
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On April 13 2013 08:45 MugenXBanksy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 05:03 hooahah wrote:On April 13 2013 02:03 Teton wrote:
So I random TA, and i don't want to play her.
Swapping for a lina.
TA feeds 5 kills to pudge in 3mins.. she would've fed regardless so...yeah, tough luck. Woah woah dude TA can do well against pudge imo I do anyways..
He means the guy he swapped with would've fed even if he kept Lina.
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Ok my first qq ever.
First of all I play VS just about 80% of my games, heroes i cant play VS against are Drow and PL. I just take nyx right away I see any of this two and it is working fine. Today i played terrible (I am not very good, but today so far I am just awful) but qq is about:
How come drow who played even worse (I mean 50 minut shadow blade only) and got carried by QoP, Naix and Timbersaw (yeah I am admitting to that) is the only person I ever saw to get two items after one game??
On top of that he was complaining every time i killed him that I am pussy because I am going after person with least hp!!
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Fucking NA servers atm.....want to play the doto but these fucking servers....
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On April 13 2013 11:58 shizaep wrote:
Fucking NA servers atm.....want to play the doto but these fucking servers....
USE is unplayable, have to play on USW
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