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cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
April 10 2012 13:34 GMT
#501
Ye I somehow doubt russians play on the US server...

I play on EU where russians kind of actualy play
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
April 10 2012 13:42 GMT
#502
I haven't run into a Russian in the past 150 games. Strategically only queue USE.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Kaonis
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States243 Posts
April 10 2012 13:42 GMT
#503
On April 10 2012 22:34 cilinder007 wrote:
Ye I somehow doubt russians play on the US server...

I play on EU where russians kind of actualy play

Hahaha, oh no, they do.
They're all over US west.
I wish there was an option to NOT match with people from certain regions. I've ended up on a 4 man russian premade while only queued for US east and west.
Nevermind.
Toadily
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States837 Posts
April 10 2012 13:48 GMT
#504
What's with everybody thinking that game win count has ANY impact on mmr? You could have a guy with 5 wins that went 5-0 with 600+ gpm every game and he could be matched up against front page people or you could be like my friend with 200+ wins and still be a terrible player with no awareness, which is what some of you crying about no mmr probably is tbh.

Just as an example I have a second account that I sometimes troll on, it's in the shithole mmr bracket. But you have no idea how EVERYONE thinks they're amazing and how they know everything about the game. Like a game earlier today, I was Sylla, my team fed a SA pretty hardcore and kept going into jungle to farm and got ganked but would never learn their lesson. So as I'm farming towards my items on how to handle this threat, my team would constantly badger me about my terrible item choices and kept telling me to build radiance, even though it was past 30 minutes and the threat of radiance has already gone down quite drastically. So then eventually we got a team fight, guess what happened? I locked down the SA and their team promptly fell.

Wanna guess what I got that they deemed so bad? Basher on both with MKB, so all I did was pop my bkb and right click on him through the smoke cloud and chain stunned him while their team couldn't do anything but tickle me.
cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
April 10 2012 13:53 GMT
#505
On April 10 2012 22:42 Kaonis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2012 22:34 cilinder007 wrote:
Ye I somehow doubt russians play on the US server...

I play on EU where russians kind of actualy play

Hahaha, oh no, they do.
They're all over US west.
I wish there was an option to NOT match with people from certain regions. I've ended up on a 4 man russian premade while only queued for US east and west.

Ye I guess it makes sense for some of them to be on USW, dono why they would play on USE unless they want to have high ping for some reason
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10700 Posts
April 10 2012 14:09 GMT
#506
On April 10 2012 22:48 Toadily wrote:
What's with everybody thinking that game win count has ANY impact on mmr? You could have a guy with 5 wins that went 5-0 with 600+ gpm every game and he could be matched up against front page people or you could be like my friend with 200+ wins and still be a terrible player with no awareness, which is what some of you crying about no mmr probably is tbh.

Just as an example I have a second account that I sometimes troll on, it's in the shithole mmr bracket. But you have no idea how EVERYONE thinks they're amazing and how they know everything about the game. Like a game earlier today, I was Sylla, my team fed a SA pretty hardcore and kept going into jungle to farm and got ganked but would never learn their lesson. So as I'm farming towards my items on how to handle this threat, my team would constantly badger me about my terrible item choices and kept telling me to build radiance, even though it was past 30 minutes and the threat of radiance has already gone down quite drastically. So then eventually we got a team fight, guess what happened? I locked down the SA and their team promptly fell.

Wanna guess what I got that they deemed so bad? Basher on both with MKB, so all I did was pop my bkb and right click on him through the smoke cloud and chain stunned him while their team couldn't do anything but tickle me.



Amount of games HINTS at the experience a player has.
So if you don't want to waste your time to often with people that are most probably worse than you, you want to play with people that have about a similar amount of games.


Yes, this has nothing to do with the MMS... But much with "experience" actually being REALLY important in Dota .

Someone with 300+ games will rarely be a true newb, probably not a really good player either, but chances are that he won't towerdive at lvl 1 because he wanted to pick up the Tango someone dropped there .
Tryhat
Profile Joined March 2012
160 Posts
April 10 2012 14:28 GMT
#507
Congratulations, Dota matchmaking. You finally made me quit. After having an ok win ratio the matchmaking system suddenly switched to giving me complete retards to play with while I face off against premades about 30% of the time, and the other 70% of the time at least way better players than our team consists of. Result: Lost 18 games in a row.

I wish it was my fault but I don't think it is. I'm always highest level, highest GPM, and with the best K/D/A ratio on my team. I'm winning my lane. I'm outfarming everyone on the map until our team starts to get picked off in ridiculous locations around the map. I've tried playing games where I help them when they do stupid shit and I've tried playing games where I just ignore tem and let them get killed once in a while. Nothing helps. When their team has Ursa, Lycan, FV, Riki or some other pub-stomp hero they ALWAYS go like 15-2. When someone on my team gets Lycan he goes 2-10 and finishes Vlads at 30 minutes.

I guess Valve doesn't want me to play so I guess I won't.

rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
April 10 2012 14:46 GMT
#508
somethings whack with the mmr system right now.
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-10 15:26:02
April 10 2012 15:23 GMT
#509
On April 10 2012 23:28 Tryhat wrote:
Congratulations, Dota matchmaking. You finally made me quit. After having an ok win ratio the matchmaking system suddenly switched to giving me complete retards to play with while I face off against premades about 30% of the time, and the other 70% of the time at least way better players than our team consists of. Result: Lost 18 games in a row.

I wish it was my fault but I don't think it is. I'm always highest level, highest GPM, and with the best K/D/A ratio on my team. I'm winning my lane. I'm outfarming everyone on the map until our team starts to get picked off in ridiculous locations around the map. I've tried playing games where I help them when they do stupid shit and I've tried playing games where I just ignore tem and let them get killed once in a while. Nothing helps. When their team has Ursa, Lycan, FV, Riki or some other pub-stomp hero they ALWAYS go like 15-2. When someone on my team gets Lycan he goes 2-10 and finishes Vlads at 30 minutes.

I guess Valve doesn't want me to play so I guess I won't.



alot people been there. whenever your w/l gets higher or around 20 wins, the system 'panics' and put you with some 'noobs'. in which judging from this weird sh!t only happened lately, i strongly believe the newer beta invites are responsible for this. that, or they did something with the mm system. solo queue has come to point where it challenges your mental stability (but still is 10000times better than HoN's game with griefers/flamers). if you were like me dont mind going supporter role, i had some 20games losing streak 2 weeks ago.

solution for now is dont go solo queue, or go hardcore pub stomp hero like huskar or go mid (in this case you need to own mid hard AND gank very successfully). gl with that. i learnt that from my games which are mostly mid/high and very luckily i have met some decent players around the same time and we now team up and roll pub :D
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Strykemard
Profile Joined April 2012
168 Posts
April 10 2012 17:13 GMT
#510
You cant help any of this in an online game. People have anonymity and tend to use it cos it cant bite them back. I play LoL and its exactly the same. No game is better or worse than another imo.
dartoo
Profile Joined May 2010
India2889 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-10 17:22:09
April 10 2012 17:21 GMT
#511
On April 10 2012 23:46 rabidch wrote:
somethings whack with the mmr system right now.



Glad to see that I'm not the only one noticing this problem. It's been very annoying, I'm quite new to dota myself and normally play in the mid-range, but the type peopl I've been teamed up with (or against) has been really really bad. It's either a complete walkover victory, or a total washout. Even till lastweek, mm was quite decent.
XiGua
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden3085 Posts
April 10 2012 21:52 GMT
#512
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I don't get how I am still matched up with these people. I have played DotA for over 4 years now, shouldn't I get matched with people at the same skill level?

Sven and Omni both died lvl 1 first blood to venomancer and naix on a REGULAR lane. There was no rune involved or anything. Then Sven left top immediately and started roaming which led to Omni dying several times more. I tried to gank sometimes and got double kill once + assisted bloodseeker twice. But then they just gave up and kept on feeding and feeding... HOW IS IT POSSIBLE TO DIE MORE THAN 10 TIMES IN A 32 MINUTE GAME AND ONLY HAVE 4 ASSISTS?

._.

DotA 2, I will never matchmake alone again. I never understood "ELO hell" from LoL, but I guess I know how it feels like at least.
ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) APM, Why u make me spam?
Hoban
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1600 Posts
April 10 2012 22:08 GMT
#513
On April 11 2012 06:52 XiGua wrote:
DotA 2, I will never matchmake alone again. I never understood "ELO hell" from LoL, but I guess I know how it feels like at least.


It doesn't help even when you queue with people. Just played a game where I queued with 3 of my regular teammates. It was like they all went retard mode. Was playing enchantress. Got bad creeps but still managed to have an impact on the lane with 2 early kills. Took tower pretty early as well. At 14 min point I was 4-0 and had extremely good farm but my friends just failed. Really angry because I was on an 11 game win streak with Enchantress. Arghhhghghhghg. I may just go back to solo queue Invoker. At least in that case I still have fun when I'm losing. Meteor so cool.
"I am a leaf on the wind."
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
April 10 2012 22:19 GMT
#514
DotA 2 needs a forfeit button.

its really bad to wasting your 30 min for nothing.
XiGua
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden3085 Posts
April 10 2012 22:19 GMT
#515
On April 11 2012 07:08 Hoban wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 06:52 XiGua wrote:
DotA 2, I will never matchmake alone again. I never understood "ELO hell" from LoL, but I guess I know how it feels like at least.


It doesn't help even when you queue with people. Just played a game where I queued with 3 of my regular teammates. It was like they all went retard mode. Was playing enchantress. Got bad creeps but still managed to have an impact on the lane with 2 early kills. Took tower pretty early as well. At 14 min point I was 4-0 and had extremely good farm but my friends just failed. Really angry because I was on an 11 game win streak with Enchantress. Arghhhghghhghg. I may just go back to solo queue Invoker. At least in that case I still have fun when I'm losing. Meteor so cool.

Ha, indeed. Something is going on here...

One of my friends who almost NEVER feeds, mostly 2-3 deaths more than kills if he plays support. But today he got like 0-13 with a random crix who also got 0-13... Game over. Next game he went SK and got 11-0 and finished game almost solo. lol

I guess we all have our bad days/games. But solo queue is a nightmare for me. Going from 28 wins over losses to merely 9 this week. Meh
ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) APM, Why u make me spam?
Belha
Profile Joined December 2010
Italy2850 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-11 02:41:15
April 11 2012 01:10 GMT
#516
On April 09 2012 16:15 Jakkerr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 08:23 Firebolt145 wrote:
On April 09 2012 08:16 Jakkerr wrote:
On April 08 2012 20:54 cilinder007 wrote:
I want a ff function just for when there are 4 russians on my team, I just dont even want to win that game....


LOL just the other day I had 4 russians on my team that just kept spamming the chat with russian bullshit.
We were winning pretty hard but I was so sick of it that I told them I would just AFK if they didn't stop.
Obviously they didn't, so I went AFK and we lost.
Totally worth it.

This sort of thing just strikes me as stupid, childish and bullshit. They're talking among themselves in their own language. There is no rule in the game that says 'ENGLISH ONLY'. How do you think they feel when a Russian goes into a game and the other four guys are speaking 'that stupid English language'?

You were winning, and they weren't playing badly. If their language is bothering you, block their chat, and it's just like any other game with 4 other good players.

You should be banned from dota2 for that sort of behaviour. That's just borderline racism.


Russians aren't a race so it can't be racism.
Ask any European DOTA 2 player who the most annoying people on DOTA 2 currently are, they will all say Russians.
They don't speak English, or when they do it's just to rage. AFK farm whole game long or go 0-10 in 10 minutes.
There's a reason loads of European players are queuing on NA East nowadays :p.

I'm from italy and the most anoying people for me (in dota) are the americans. Average skill is lower compared to euro and compared to euro they know an average of 1.00000000001 languages, and they felt offended if someone talks non english language, which is beyond stupidity.
Chicken gank op
Fake)Plants
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States373 Posts
April 11 2012 05:07 GMT
#517
On April 10 2012 20:45 Firebolt145 wrote:
It was this comment (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=310452&currentpage=24#464) that really ticked me off about this entire thing, and his next post was just as bad.

I know how annoying it is not being able to communicate with your teammates, I've been there. But don't you think the Russians feel the same when they join a game with four English-speakers? Just make the best of it. Sit back and play a game, don't be a twat.


Damn dude, where are you when I am playing pubs? This is a great point/ approach, many twats out there. I am often surprised at how this community is wound so tight with rage
Q( ' '(Q
Narcind
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2489 Posts
April 11 2012 07:57 GMT
#518
On April 11 2012 07:19 XiGua wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 07:08 Hoban wrote:
On April 11 2012 06:52 XiGua wrote:
DotA 2, I will never matchmake alone again. I never understood "ELO hell" from LoL, but I guess I know how it feels like at least.


It doesn't help even when you queue with people. Just played a game where I queued with 3 of my regular teammates. It was like they all went retard mode. Was playing enchantress. Got bad creeps but still managed to have an impact on the lane with 2 early kills. Took tower pretty early as well. At 14 min point I was 4-0 and had extremely good farm but my friends just failed. Really angry because I was on an 11 game win streak with Enchantress. Arghhhghghhghg. I may just go back to solo queue Invoker. At least in that case I still have fun when I'm losing. Meteor so cool.

Ha, indeed. Something is going on here...

One of my friends who almost NEVER feeds, mostly 2-3 deaths more than kills if he plays support. But today he got like 0-13 with a random crix who also got 0-13... Game over. Next game he went SK and got 11-0 and finished game almost solo. lol

I guess we all have our bad days/games. But solo queue is a nightmare for me. Going from 28 wins over losses to merely 9 this week. Meh


I think it greatly depends who the person is laning with, like a few days ago, I was playing with a friend, one game he jungled on naix and went 20-2, then the next game, he went kunkka and ended up 0-14 or something when he had to lane with some random pub.

And losing streaks happen, there's no way of preventing it, so just deal with it and keep queueing. I think it was two weeks ago where I just couldn't stop losing games, I'm typically around 55-60 wins over losses and went down to like 30. I remember one of the games I lost I was playing SF and I DEMOLISHED this potm in mid, to the point where I was level 11 as she hit level 6. Still lost because everyone else on my team was going for the maelk award and their combined score at like 10 minutes was 1-14 or some shit.
StrinterN
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark531 Posts
April 11 2012 08:34 GMT
#519
Russians.... lot's of russians!
Twitter: @Strintern Stream: http://www.twitch.tv/strintern
ChrisXIV
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Austria3553 Posts
April 11 2012 08:45 GMT
#520
I really don't get the MMR system.

You win - your team gets worse, the enemy team gets better.
You lose - your team gets worse, the enemy team gets worse.

I feel like I'm getting punished for winning. -_-
"Just stay on 1 base, make a lot of shit, keep attacking. It doesn't work? Keep attacking." -Chill
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