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SnipedSoul
Canada2158 Posts
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Jetaap
France4814 Posts
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akatama
Romania982 Posts
On December 19 2012 20:28 Velr wrote: Yesterday: I random Viper against random Drow + Pudge mid. After ~5 minutes Pudge goes off roaming so it's 1on1 with me having a big headstart (Pudge goes on a 11-0 rampage because sideliners were pure trash and 0 wards were placed, he won the game, not drow).. But back on drow: I have more CS. I have better Items. I kill her when she's lvl 5 because she's dumb.. Or just knows that she is Drow and therefore can do whatever the fuck she wants and will end up stronger than any other hero anyway.. I am 3 (or almost 3) levels ahead. She gets lvl 6... She is now stronger than me and can kill me in 6-7 Hits, which is way faster before my Ult/Autoattacks can kill her. The game Ends and Drow is 0/3/3 (I killed her 2-3 times) and still the second strongest hero on the enemy team... In early/midgame.. As a fucking hardcarry. Totally and utterly retarded hero design. I have to repeat myself for the billionth time: Drow has HUGE SINGLE TARGET DAMAGE and not much else prior to this patch. The aura will be reverted to only buff creeps in a 900 AoE next update. So in the end you have a hero with huge single target dmg, an aoe silence to give her some teamfight utility and a good slow. Guess what? No stuns so you can just TP away. Or get Ghost Scepter. Think of her as a ranged Ursa. | ||
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ChrisXIV
Austria3553 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/9U6nt.jpg) Can't carry with 4 feeders, just impossible. Edit: And another game with fucking idiots. I'm getting ganked mid all the time and they still lose their lanes hard and feed like mad. WTF It can't be that hard. | ||
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pyro19
6575 Posts
On December 19 2012 21:15 akatama wrote: I have to repeat myself for the billionth time: Drow has HUGE SINGLE TARGET DAMAGE and not much else prior to this patch. The aura will be reverted to only buff creeps in a 900 AoE next update. So in the end you have a hero with huge single target dmg, an aoe silence to give her some teamfight utility and a good slow. Guess what? No stuns so you can just TP away. Or get Ghost Scepter. Think of her as a ranged Ursa. A ranged ursa with a silence , 60% slow and hits like a fucking truck just from auto attacks.And tping away doesnt help when she can 3-4 shot you before you can tp away | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10760 Posts
On December 19 2012 21:15 akatama wrote: I have to repeat myself for the billionth time: Drow has HUGE SINGLE TARGET DAMAGE and not much else prior to this patch. The aura will be reverted to only buff creeps in a 900 AoE next update. So in the end you have a hero with huge single target dmg, an aoe silence to give her some teamfight utility and a good slow. Guess what? No stuns so you can just TP away. Or get Ghost Scepter. Think of her as a ranged Ursa. And i don't give a shit for her weaknesses, there is a reason Ursa is a melee hero, else he would be broken too. She is/was Godtier in Dota 1. She will most probably still be toptier after the patch. A N D she totally and utterly breaks pubs in a way Ursa can only dream off. Btw: All the things you say there can also be said for... Viper (less utilty), Bloodseeker (less utilty), Ursa (less utility), Huskar (less utility), PA (less utilty) and i'm sure also some other heroes. Yet for some reason there never was a "herpderp" buff their damage totally thru the roof AND buff their passives to a beyond ridiculous level at any point in time. Btw2: TP'ing away? Chances are by the time you realise "oh, TP" your dead because she hits too hard. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
had a void just now who randomed void, then asked to swap someone. He said he'd take anyone, I offered to swap him and he refused. So whatever, I've got lycan, I go jungle since the lanes are already pretty much set. CM for whatever reason goes bot lane with our tinker (SF mid) so void has to solo vs BS and pudge. I'm prepared for it to not go well but I don't say anything. He feeds first blood and another kill and then shortly begins blaming me for the deaths, saying I didn't gank (I was level 2 or 3 when he fed FB, farming safe camp pretty far away) Then, he starts following me in jungle saying he's going to take my last hits...so ofc, I go, wtf are you doing? I somehow still manage to get a 16 minute vlads + medallion and do rosh @ 18 minutes or so. I was slowed by at least 2-3 minutes by him following me around and mucking up all my last hits. He continues to flame me and whine and for the most part doesn't do anything in all of our fights. we lost horribly. so frustrating. | ||
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Jetaap
France4814 Posts
On December 19 2012 22:20 wherebugsgo wrote: some players are really dumb... had a void just now who randomed void, then asked to swap someone. He said he'd take anyone, I offered to swap him and he refused. So whatever, I've got lycan, I go jungle since the lanes are already pretty much set. CM for whatever reason goes bot lane with our tinker (SF mid) so void has to solo vs BS and pudge. I'm prepared for it to not go well but I don't say anything. He feeds first blood and another kill and then shortly begins blaming me for the deaths, saying I didn't gank (I was level 2 or 3 when he fed FB, farming safe camp pretty far away) Then, he starts following me in jungle saying he's going to take my last hits...so ofc, I go, wtf are you doing? I somehow still manage to get a 16 minute vlads + medallion and do rosh @ 18 minutes or so. I was slowed by at least 2-3 minutes by him following me around and mucking up all my last hits. He continues to flame me and whine and for the most part doesn't do anything in all of our fights. we lost horribly. so frustrating. I don't understand how to play lycan, I tried to do a 18min rosh with vlads and medaillon but I couldn't finish him  . What skill are you using? I maxed wolf and the passive because I feel I'm too starved for mana, maybe that's the reason? Also wolves can't tank rosh at all, they die in 3 hits . | ||
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ramon
Germany4842 Posts
On December 19 2012 22:32 Jetaap wrote: I don't understand how to play lycan, I tried to do a 18min rosh with vlads and medaillon but I couldn't finish him . What skill are you using? I maxed wolf and the passive because I feel I'm too starved for mana, maybe that's the reason? Also wolves can't tank rosh at all, they die in 3 hits .precast wolves, go in, medallion, let the wolves tank so much that they don't die, then swap them around, then recast, tank yourself, repeat, should be pretty easy | ||
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akatama
Romania982 Posts
So by lvl 16 her current ultimate grants 80-60 = 20 extra agility in ideal conditions. 6 + 6% of her agility = 20 leads to her needing around 230 agility for her old self do do more damage. Considering by lvl 16 she has 115 agility from Marksmanship + agi growth + 1 point in stats she needs another 115. We can conclude that she has slightly more dmg now (14-15 dmg so she can counter the Doom armor buff  ) at lvl 16 than before assuming no one stands near her in a teamfight. If that is the case, she deals less damage as to before.The issue with old Drow is that she brought slightly more single target dmg than other carries at the cost of burst while still lacking hard disables and having a worse late game (the main reason you pick a carry in the first place). Now she actually has a niche in that she can provide insane right click damage early-mid game (so that is sustained damage) while synergizing with ranged gankers and heroes with ranged summons (Enigma, BM, Chen, Ench, etc.). With the global creep aura gone she is not a godly pusher anymore. It was a neat idea but can't be properly balanced with ease. Another factor involved is that she was slowly buffed over time. Just look up old changelogs, ever since 6.72 she got buffs in every major version, but until the remake of Marksmanship and Precision Aura she was still regarded as an "useless agility right click hero". To end this post, throughout DotA history pubbies have struggled to actually work together as a team and play the game the way it is meant to be played. A lot of pubstar heroes focus on quickly dispatching lone targets and feeding on them until they can overpower the enemy team even in small groups (2v5, 3v5). | ||
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Jetaap
France4814 Posts
Valve will really need to tackle this issue, with FTP low level play is going to be hell. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On December 19 2012 22:32 Jetaap wrote: I don't understand how to play lycan, I tried to do a 18min rosh with vlads and medaillon but I couldn't finish him . What skill are you using? I maxed wolf and the passive because I feel I'm too starved for mana, maybe that's the reason? Also wolves can't tank rosh at all, they die in 3 hits .make sure you have quelling blade as well. Basically you want to let one wolf take 3 hits, then pull it back, let the other wolf take 3 hits, and then keep swapping every time you can/need to. Usually rosh goes down with 2 sets of wolves, and your hero will tank it for like 20% (max) of the time you're doing rosh. Basically if you smoke from fountain you'll be able to let the first wolves tank until they time out and then get the second pair to tank the rest for you. They might die if you mess up or if they get bashed twice in a row, but that's ok, as you can easily kill rosh solo from 40%. Also I'm experimenting with a tranquils build on lycan and it's surprisingly effective. I know Puppey likes to go bottle but that delays your vlads by about a minute. Going tranquils doesn't, since your jungle timing is sped up by the movement speed buff and you have roughly the same sustain, you just don't have wolves as often. You also don't have to bottle crow. I'm not sure if I like it yet, though, since it's still pretty useful to go bottle over tranquils against people who are very aggressive against your jungle. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10760 Posts
On December 19 2012 22:49 akatama wrote: I don't want this to degenerate into flaming but if you don't believe me fire up WC3 and load a DotA version before her aura and ulti change and compare the damage. Her old aura granted 32% of base dmg so that is 6-7dmg(because it counted the 20 something base dmg too) + an extra 6% scaling compared to the current aura. Old ultimate granted 15/30/60 agility (please correct me) all the time, so in a teamfight having someone tanky stand in her face lowers the dmg even more. So by lvl 16 her current ultimate grants 80-60 = 20 extra agility in ideal conditions. 6 + 6% of her agility = 20 leads to her needing around 230 agility for her old self do do more damage. Considering by lvl 16 she has 115 agility from Marksmanship + agi growth + 1 point in stats she needs another 115. We can conclude that she has slightly more dmg now (14-15 dmg so she can counter the Doom armor buff ) at lvl 16 than before assuming no one stands near her in a teamfight. If that is the case, she deals less damage as to before.The issue with old Drow is that she brought slightly more single target dmg than other carries at the cost of burst while still lacking hard disables and having a worse late game (the main reason you pick a carry in the first place). Now she actually has a niche in that she can provide insane right click damage early-mid game (so that is sustained damage) while synergizing with ranged gankers and heroes with ranged summons (Enigma, BM, Chen, Ench, etc.). With the global creep aura gone she is not a godly pusher anymore. It was a neat idea but can't be properly balanced with ease. Another factor involved is that she was slowly buffed over time. Just look up old changelogs, ever since 6.72 she got buffs in every major version, but until the remake of Marksmanship and Precision Aura she was still regarded as an "useless agility right click hero". To end this post, throughout DotA history pubbies have struggled to actually work together as a team and play the game the way it is meant to be played. A lot of pubstar heroes focus on quickly dispatching lone targets and feeding on them until they can overpower the enemy team even in small groups (2v5, 3v5). I hope she makes it into CM next version and will just shut up everyone that sais she is fine. A carryhero that gets ridiculous at lvl 6 is not "fine". She plays like Lina... Whiteout Manacosts/Cooldown at this stage of the game... If a target gets in range of you and you don't get immediatly forced back/stunned/wtfpwnd yourself it just dies. | ||
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Locke-
499 Posts
On December 19 2012 23:06 Jetaap wrote: Holy shit, I tried to use a new account and out of the last 10 games I was not able to play a single "real" game of dota. I swear, people at level 1 are all trolls, feeders or simply disconnects at the start of the game. Valve will really need to tackle this issue, with FTP low level play is going to be hell. Ohh, and I wanted to start a different account. | ||
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
On December 20 2012 00:27 Locke- wrote: Ohh, and I wanted to start a different account. You should do it, I usually have tons of fun on my smurf accounts, either Jetaap is exaggerating or he's had terrible luck. | ||
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
On December 19 2012 23:06 Jetaap wrote: Holy shit, I tried to use a new account and out of the last 10 games I was not able to play a single "real" game of dota. I swear, people at level 1 are all trolls, feeders or simply disconnects at the start of the game. Valve will really need to tackle this issue, with FTP low level play is going to be hell. I got exactly the same thing. Went 2-6 and gave up. Also, I want to pick a hero who's going to be high impact but they have already picked 4 melee carries or w/e. Worst thing is they ignore advice/teamwork coordination. Then again, back on my main account and I'm stacked with 4 Russians vs 5 Russians, and I only search EU west btw. Take void. Have beastmaster (who I assume will be top (hardlane)) and Venge who I assume will be supporting me. Instead, beastmaster comes bottom with me, fights me for every last hit, and all the while we're vs axe and magnus, so it's pretty much impossible to farm. I pause, tell them I'm going to answer the door, my own team unpauses, I request someone else to pause then go. Come back 40 seconds later and our rax are gone. Incidentally despite everything (including the whole team using spells to take last hits on kills) I'm highest GPM and EXP/M. Naturally I get the blame and constant abuse etc. Stupid thing, we probably would've won if they hadn't unpaused and lost rax, because I was close to my core items at which point I can snowball. Sad thing, more games than not are like this. Only way to have fun is to 5 stack CM or get lucky, it seems. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On December 19 2012 23:06 Jetaap wrote: Holy shit, I tried to use a new account and out of the last 10 games I was not able to play a single "real" game of dota. I swear, people at level 1 are all trolls, feeders or simply disconnects at the start of the game. Valve will really need to tackle this issue, with FTP low level play is going to be hell. I've gone from level 1 account to high/sometimes very high now after 120 games, and if anything shit is worse. | ||
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Jetaap
France4814 Posts
On December 20 2012 00:46 Alur wrote: You should do it, I usually have tons of fun on my smurf accounts, either Jetaap is exaggerating or he's had terrible luck. I'm really not exaggerating, I played 9 games and had 5 disconnects 1 troll/feeder and 2 "real" games. It was not like this before but that's really scary. Maybe it's christmas break in russia, could be an explanation why things got so worse so quickly. To give an example, my last game TA calls mid, then disconnects so sniper takes her place. The reconnects after around 3 min, and goes mid and they both stay in middle for a while. After that she simply leaves the game again after insulting us >_<. | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4544 Posts
On December 19 2012 23:46 Velr wrote: I hope she makes it into CM next version and will just shut up everyone that sais she is fine. A carryhero that gets ridiculous at lvl 6 is not "fine". She plays like Lina... Whiteout Manacosts/Cooldown at this stage of the game... If a target gets in range of you and you don't get immediatly forced back/stunned/wtfpwnd yourself it just dies. She has 0 escape or stuns, in competitive play she would get ganked repeatedly, I also hope she makes it in CM the next patch to prove people like you wrong  | ||
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