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On December 12 2012 20:40 Prime`Rib wrote:
Our fist 4 pick: Nyx, Magnatuar, Veno, Drow with Nyx calling mid. WHY THE FUCK THE LAST SCRUB PICK BLOODSEEKER AND DEMAND MID? WHAT THE FUCK? AND THEN YOU RUN YOUSDFSDF FUCKING MOUTH CALLING US PRO? YOU FUCKING DUMBASS MOTHERFUCKEr. FUCK YOU CHAOSLORd. ONLY FAGGOT WOULD CALL THEMSELVES CHAOSLORD. REALLY. FUCK YOU! WASTING FUCKING 35 MINS OF MY FUCKING LIFE TIME DEALING WITH YOUR FUCKING FACE. I HOPE YOU ENJOY YOUR SHITTY 24 HOURS IN LP. ACTUALLY, I AM GONNA HOP INTO TIME MACHINE AND GO TELL YOUR MOTHER TO ABORT YOU. YOU FUCKING PIECE OF DOUCHEDICk, Chaoslord. FUCK YOU!
Rage much? Also your use of capslock is ridiculous. Please don't ask my mother to abort me when I say this but its 1. only a game and 2. public solo matchmaking. Chill the fuck out.
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On December 12 2012 20:49 Firebolt145 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 12 2012 20:43 Jetaap wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 20:12 Firebolt145 wrote:On December 12 2012 20:07 Kabras wrote:
.... No, i just want it to be somewhat balanced and not match me with 4 people that literally have 10 times less levels than me and have no idea what they're doing. w/e, you can find a lot more about mm in this very thread if you want specific examples. You were matched with those 4 people because they are of the same level as you, believe it or not. Don't like it? Then stop focusing on others mistakes and improve yourself. I think most of it comes from selection bias, statistically speaking people will be one of the 2 best player in their team 40% of the time, and they'll have carry worse players. Where the bias comes into play is that people will remember these games much more than the one where they got carried by better players, and have the impression that they are always matched with terrible players. It's true though that the MM could be a little bit more consistent, it's not fun when you have a team with a player that has 10 games under his belt and people with 300 games. I understand exactly what you're saying. I also fully understand when people come in here shouting about how the game they just played had 4 of the most retarded people ever. What I dislike is when people come in here calling out the entire valve mm system for being crap and always placing you in games where you are better than every one else, which is statistically improbable.
I agree you %80 of the time until every one in a while one random guy picks axe and start auto-attacking safe lane and ruins my farm and dive unnecessary results feeding and refuse to communicate English and uses one specific language that he thought everyone must know it in EU server.
It may be a 3 sigma case I don't know, but when I saw someone in my team auto attacks, I am more convinced that MM system does something actually wrong. I am in HQ most of the time thou.
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On December 12 2012 20:49 Firebolt145 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 20:43 Jetaap wrote:On December 12 2012 20:12 Firebolt145 wrote:On December 12 2012 20:07 Kabras wrote:
.... No, i just want it to be somewhat balanced and not match me with 4 people that literally have 10 times less levels than me and have no idea what they're doing. w/e, you can find a lot more about mm in this very thread if you want specific examples. You were matched with those 4 people because they are of the same level as you, believe it or not. Don't like it? Then stop focusing on others mistakes and improve yourself. I think most of it comes from selection bias, statistically speaking people will be one of the 2 best player in their team 40% of the time, and they'll have carry worse players. Where the bias comes into play is that people will remember these games much more than the one where they got carried by better players, and have the impression that they are always matched with terrible players. It's true though that the MM could be a little bit more consistent, it's not fun when you have a team with a player that has 10 games under his belt and people with 300 games. I understand exactly what you're saying. I also fully understand when people come in here shouting about how the game they just played had 4 of the most retarded people ever. What I dislike is when people come in here calling out the entire valve mm system for being crap and always placing you in games where you are better than every one else, which is statistically improbable.
Agreed. Valve actually bothers to make a matchmaking system instead of causing horrible mismatches like in Garena, yet people still complain. Kabras calling Valve out for being a dick to the community is really pushing it. It will always be a hard, unfortunate truth that DotA requires the player to have the patience of a saint if they want to remain calm when playing. However, instead of 1 in 100 games being actual good games like it was in Garena (I kid you not, this is really my experience through 6 years of DotA) you get a good game maybe once in 5 games. It's a marked and remarkable improvement.
On December 12 2012 20:56 eu.exodus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 20:40 Prime`Rib wrote:
Our fist 4 pick: Nyx, Magnatuar, Veno, Drow with Nyx calling mid. WHY THE FUCK THE LAST SCRUB PICK BLOODSEEKER AND DEMAND MID? WHAT THE FUCK? AND THEN YOU RUN YOUSDFSDF FUCKING MOUTH CALLING US PRO? YOU FUCKING DUMBASS MOTHERFUCKEr. FUCK YOU CHAOSLORd. ONLY FAGGOT WOULD CALL THEMSELVES CHAOSLORD. REALLY. FUCK YOU! WASTING FUCKING 35 MINS OF MY FUCKING LIFE TIME DEALING WITH YOUR FUCKING FACE. I HOPE YOU ENJOY YOUR SHITTY 24 HOURS IN LP. ACTUALLY, I AM GONNA HOP INTO TIME MACHINE AND GO TELL YOUR MOTHER TO ABORT YOU. YOU FUCKING PIECE OF DOUCHEDICk, Chaoslord. FUCK YOU! Rage much? Also your use of capslock is ridiculous. Please don't ask my mother to abort me when I say this but its 1. only a game and 2. public solo matchmaking. Chill the fuck out.
That's sort of the point of this thread: to dump all your rage. 
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On December 12 2012 21:03 xAdra wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 20:49 Firebolt145 wrote:On December 12 2012 20:43 Jetaap wrote:On December 12 2012 20:12 Firebolt145 wrote:On December 12 2012 20:07 Kabras wrote:
.... No, i just want it to be somewhat balanced and not match me with 4 people that literally have 10 times less levels than me and have no idea what they're doing. w/e, you can find a lot more about mm in this very thread if you want specific examples. You were matched with those 4 people because they are of the same level as you, believe it or not. Don't like it? Then stop focusing on others mistakes and improve yourself. I think most of it comes from selection bias, statistically speaking people will be one of the 2 best player in their team 40% of the time, and they'll have carry worse players. Where the bias comes into play is that people will remember these games much more than the one where they got carried by better players, and have the impression that they are always matched with terrible players. It's true though that the MM could be a little bit more consistent, it's not fun when you have a team with a player that has 10 games under his belt and people with 300 games. I understand exactly what you're saying. I also fully understand when people come in here shouting about how the game they just played had 4 of the most retarded people ever. What I dislike is when people come in here calling out the entire valve mm system for being crap and always placing you in games where you are better than every one else, which is statistically improbable. Agreed. Valve actually bothers to make a matchmaking system instead of causing horrible mismatches like in Garena, yet people still complain. Kabras calling Valve out for being a dick to the community is really pushing it. It will always be a hard, unfortunate truth that DotA requires the player to have the patience of a saint if they want to remain calm when playing. However, instead of 1 in 100 games being actual good games like it was in Garena (I kid you not, this is really my experience through 6 years of DotA) you get a good game maybe once in 5 games. It's a marked and remarkable improvement. Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 20:56 eu.exodus wrote:On December 12 2012 20:40 Prime`Rib wrote:
Our fist 4 pick: Nyx, Magnatuar, Veno, Drow with Nyx calling mid. WHY THE FUCK THE LAST SCRUB PICK BLOODSEEKER AND DEMAND MID? WHAT THE FUCK? AND THEN YOU RUN YOUSDFSDF FUCKING MOUTH CALLING US PRO? YOU FUCKING DUMBASS MOTHERFUCKEr. FUCK YOU CHAOSLORd. ONLY FAGGOT WOULD CALL THEMSELVES CHAOSLORD. REALLY. FUCK YOU! WASTING FUCKING 35 MINS OF MY FUCKING LIFE TIME DEALING WITH YOUR FUCKING FACE. I HOPE YOU ENJOY YOUR SHITTY 24 HOURS IN LP. ACTUALLY, I AM GONNA HOP INTO TIME MACHINE AND GO TELL YOUR MOTHER TO ABORT YOU. YOU FUCKING PIECE OF DOUCHEDICk, Chaoslord. FUCK YOU! Rage much? Also your use of capslock is ridiculous. Please don't ask my mother to abort me when I say this but its 1. only a game and 2. public solo matchmaking. Chill the fuck out. That's sort of the point of this thread: to dump all your rage.
lol I know but for the love of god, to wish death on people because they play a game shit/worse than you is a bit over the top.
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Brunei Darussalam566 Posts
There I am braving the solo-queues and, as per usual, I wait as long as possible to last pick on my team and ensure at least a decent composition (I also have a habit of recommending good support/utility heroes at the start). This time, however, no one had picked nor said anything till the timer ran out, so I called mid, picked my best hero (TA) and figured it was going to be one of "those" games.
My team eventually wakes up and starts picking heroes. The first one calls easy lane and chooses Huskar. The second one picks BH and says he'll solo suicide. At this point I'm frantically begging my teammates to pick support heroes, but, nevertheless, one randoms phantom assassin (ugh) and the last one heroically claims... sniper.
So we now have the wonderful composition of Templar, Phantom, Huskar, BH and Sniper against the imba-stack of Magnus, Undying, Lich, Shadow Fiend and, of course, ours truly, Drow Ranger.
I proceed to make short work of Shadow Fiend at mid lane (TA vs. SF matchup is so broken), and gank constantly after hitting level 6 and whoring a few runes. Nevertheless, we are considerably behing at the mid game, yet we manage to catch the opposing team out of position and, by careful positioning, to kill Lich and SF before the eventual team fight breaks out. I'm now watching from afar waiting for my dagger and refraction cooldowns to expire when, suddenly, Sniper force staffs me into the middle of the fray right next to Magnus, Undying and his frigging tombstone.
I get killed, our team gets wiped handily and we lose mid rax. I'm usually a chill dude that never gives up and never surrenders, but, this time, I just blinked into some trees and alt-tabbed out of the game to avoid raging.
/QQ
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I feel so sick knowing that the server which would be best for me latency wise is "solely" a Russian server. Players there are even worse than they are in rest of Europe.
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Why does everyone feel so fucking entitled in this game. Lone Druid steals my rune, making my laning phase as NS infinitely harder, then has the nerve to ask for a gank. Like, seriously?
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I don't know what's the fuck is going on, I'm trying to learn invoker so I play AP and go invoker mid (unless someone asks for it in the pick phase before me).
First game I end up with a rubick abandoning when i'm level 8. I tried to gank but it did not go very well (no kill), I get flamed by my russians teammates that expect to me have all spells available at level 8. CM then leaves the game, so at this point we are 3v5, down 10-3 or something like that so I call it quit and leave the game. I wanted to check the replay to see what went wrong with my ganks, and I discover that my team actually won 3v5 (rubick came back apparently).
Next game, similar thing, people really watch too much invoker pro clips and expect me to have tornado/emp/meteor/sunstrike/cold snipe maxed at level 10. Everytime they died they were clicking like mad man on me even when there was absolutely nothing I could have done to help them except die for nothing. Our ogre magi feeds quite a lot as well, goes afk in foutain while calling me an "american sheep" (:D), get an abandon for that but comes back and somehow continues playing.
Well long story short, NP was not doing too bad (got a necromicon which helped a lot vs their slark/riki/potm), and we won despite them having x2 kills than us almost all game long and having better carries ^^.
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Have an antimage complaining all game, come gank, come protect me, you didnt call SS fukken noobs1(While he was at their second tower like wtf..) and generally just argues with me for the _entire_ game. He goes like 2 - 8 and we lose ofcourse after about 40 minutes or so. And when we are losing he says "Sorry guys kinda new to this game, only my fifth game or so" and i'm like.. what the... WHY WERE YOU ARGUING WITH EVERY TIP OR DECISION I MADE FOR THE ENTIRE GAME THEN?! I honestly tried to help him out telling him to b and item advices but he just called me a noob and to be quiet. Then at the end of the game he admits hes new to the game?! What is it with people in this game? Like even when i try to help people they will not ever admit to be at fault, EVEN IF ITS LIKE THEIR FIRST DAMN GAME. And yeah checked his profile he had 3 wins.
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Please dear players, use brain and when you see other team takes Omni, CK, Magnus and WR, just repick this shit fucking BS you took and went mid. Thank you!
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^ that reminds me of some AM who went 1v2 (and won lane, granted he vs 2 melees) and buy ward and buy dustsss and I think he bought crow too. 10mins in 1 gank from enigma. Proceed to make 500gpm but team too heavy to carry.
https://dotabuff.com/matches/76780202
MM at its finest.
edit: was meant to reply after that bad AM xD
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Lalalaland34492 Posts
On December 13 2012 01:35 BurningSera wrote:^ that reminds me of some AM who went 1v2 (and won lane, granted he vs 2 melees) and buy ward and buy dustsss and I think he bought crow too. 10mins in 1 gank from enigma. Proceed to make 500gpm but team too heavy to carry. https://dotabuff.com/matches/76780202MM at its finest. edit: was meant to reply after that bad AM xD
Is this your smurf? I also noticed the Invoker with linkens/drums/tranquils ^_^
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Solo matchmaking is fine. At least it is for me.. I'm only level 9 but I'm playing in Very High. Most of my games are fine, and if people are doing but it's usually them having a bad game. I do still run into retards everyday, though.
Matchmaking WITH other people is atrocious. I don't know how it works exactly, but when I play with my shitty friends the games are horrible. It's either they can't handle the enemy team and get stomped or the other team is too easy and we stomp. It's like 1 in 20 games when I queue with other people is a decent game. It's hard to have this way, and it sucks. I'm playing with my friends to be nice at this point.
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On December 13 2012 01:43 Gentso wrote:
Solo matchmaking is fine. At least it is for me.. I'm only level 9 but I'm playing in Very High. Most of my games are fine, and if people are doing but it's usually them having a bad game. I do still run into retards everyday, though.
Matchmaking WITH other people is atrocious. I don't know how it works exactly, but when I play with my shitty friends the games are horrible. It's either they can't handle the enemy team and get stomped or the other team is too easy and we stomp. It's like 1 in 20 games when I queue with other people is a decent game. It's hard to have this way, and it sucks. I'm playing with my friends to be nice at this point.
I feel like, at this point, Valve is adding too much MMR to groups (the system assigns groups higher ratings than the individuals inside it warrant). Every time I queue with friends (generally bad friends), the games are... rough. Except for my one friend who is actually really good but plays dota 2 like once a month (plays HoN in general) so his MMR is SUPER low but we play really well together (>500 games together). Those games are easy.
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Yeah how group queueing works is a mystery to me aswell this is how it normally looks when i queue with two friends who are way lower then me(sub 50 games played, lifetime any moba) https://dotabuff.com/matches/76745282 silan and beetle are my friends.
If it does not look like this we get _STOMPED_ like i mean, I get utterly annihilated owned stomped and they can't leave their towers for the entire game. And if i wasn't in the game above they would have been utterly stomped aswell.
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I have a feeling this has to do with the statement Valve made earlier this year. They said they had found that the best player on the team has much more influence on the outcome of the game than the worst player. They did not mention whether they studied what type of hero the best player gets stuck with, though . . .
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On December 13 2012 02:46 theqat wrote:
I have a feeling this has to do with the statement Valve made earlier this year. They said they had found that the best player on the team has much more influence on the outcome of the game than the worst player. They did not mention whether they studied what type of hero the best player gets stuck with, though . . .
I don't like this. I mean, I could always take the solo mid role when queing with freinds to carry the game that way, but I just prefer to have a normal game and have everyone play what they want. My question for valve is what if my friend plays hard carry and wants me to play hard support? I don't think I should have to so say no just because the system is expecting me to play a more significant role.
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I was playing TA and doing fairly well with something around 5-1-5, while killscore was 16-10 in our favor. So I had this KotL in my game, who thought he was funny by calling me back to him every single time his Ult / recall was off CD. After I missed the 3rd kill due to this I simply disabled help from him to prevent further abuse. A few moments later he was yelling at me for being a hacker, wanting to report me talking about how valve would ban my steamaccount etc.
So I told him, what I did and that I was not in fact not hacking. He kept insisting that I was a hacker, despite me explaining how to disable help. Needless to say, that he hinted several times that he was having violental sexual intercourse with everyone of my family members and their pets.
We still won the game, but damn! What the hell is wrong with some people?
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On December 13 2012 01:51 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 01:43 Gentso wrote:
Solo matchmaking is fine. At least it is for me.. I'm only level 9 but I'm playing in Very High. Most of my games are fine, and if people are doing but it's usually them having a bad game. I do still run into retards everyday, though.
Matchmaking WITH other people is atrocious. I don't know how it works exactly, but when I play with my shitty friends the games are horrible. It's either they can't handle the enemy team and get stomped or the other team is too easy and we stomp. It's like 1 in 20 games when I queue with other people is a decent game. It's hard to have this way, and it sucks. I'm playing with my friends to be nice at this point. I feel like, at this point, Valve is adding too much MMR to groups (the system assigns groups higher ratings than the individuals inside it warrant). Every time I queue with friends (generally bad friends), the games are... rough. Except for my one friend who is actually really good but plays dota 2 like once a month (plays HoN in general) so his MMR is SUPER low but we play really well together (>500 games together). Those games are easy.
The problem is, they need to consider that your group will use your improved communication, coordination and personal knowledge of the other players. It assumes you will abuse all the advantages a premade team enjoys, else the premade teams that actually abuse them will just stomp the other team.
Remember how often people QQ about facing stacks and how stacks always win? It would be even worse if they reduced that "bonus" MMR. Yeah, it sucks when you queue with random people, are just messing around or are queueing with people from far diferent skill levels, but there it's hard to find a solution that works for every situation.
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On December 13 2012 01:39 Firebolt145 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 01:35 BurningSera wrote:^ that reminds me of some AM who went 1v2 (and won lane, granted he vs 2 melees) and buy ward and buy dustsss and I think he bought crow too. 10mins in 1 gank from enigma. Proceed to make 500gpm but team too heavy to carry. https://dotabuff.com/matches/76780202MM at its finest. edit: was meant to reply after that bad AM xD Is this your smurf? I also noticed the Invoker with linkens/drums/tranquils ^_^
Freaking position 5 invoker only know to ditch out 2 spells all game rofl
My shitty garena games were better than that lol
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