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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34504 Posts
On December 13 2012 03:22 BurningSera wrote: Freaking position 5 invoker only know to ditch out 2 spells all game rofl My shitty garena games were better than that lol Alacrity and cold snap, what more do you need? | ||
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Gentso
United States2218 Posts
On December 13 2012 03:21 SKC wrote: The problem is, they need to consider that your group will use your improved communication, coordination and personal knowledge of the other players. It assumes you will abuse all the advantages a premade team enjoys, else the premade teams that actually abuse them will just stomp the other team. Remember how often people QQ about facing stacks and how stacks always win? It would be even worse if they reduced that "bonus" MMR. Yeah, it sucks when you queue with random people, are just messing around or are queueing with people from far diferent skill levels, but there it's hard to find a solution that works for every situation. I thnk that's a bold overestimation on Valve's part. Unless these people are truly good players, chances are they won't have better coordination, communication, and knowldege. Voice chat exists in game, so communcation is a non-issue. And coordination/knowledge is low across the board until you get near the top of the skill curve. To be honest, most people playing together don't have any significant advantage over another team. They're just two friends on a team together. My friend isn't suddenly able to last hit just because we're queue'd together. : ) | ||
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34504 Posts
On December 13 2012 03:26 Gentso wrote: I thnk that's a bold overestimation on Valve's part. Unless these people are truly good players, chances are they won't have better coordination, communication, and knowldege. Voice chat exists in game, so communcation is a non-issue. And coordination/knowledge is low across the board until you get near the top of the skill curve. To be honest, most people playing together don't have any significant advantage over another team. They're just two friends on a team together. My friend isn't suddenly able to last hit just because we're queue'd together. : ) Well Valve has decided to do it this way based on what they've seen thus far, and I'm sure they're continuing to tweak it as necessary. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On December 13 2012 03:26 Gentso wrote: I thnk that's a bold overestimation on Valve's part. Unless these people are truly good players, chances are they won't have better coordination, communication, and knowldege. Voice chat exists in game, so communcation is a non-issue. And coordination/knowledge is low across the board until you get near the top of the skill curve. To be honest, most people playing together don't have any significant advantage over another team. They're just two friends on a team together. My friend isn't suddenly able to last hit just because we're queue'd together. : ) The fact so many people complain about facing stacks almost proves that the MMR disadvantage of being on a stack is not too big. If that was the case, people on stacks would be complaining about facing players of a much better caliber than they, and from my experience that happens very rarely (if the stack is formed of players around the same level and "tryharding"). You are talking about a diferent issue. If two people queue together, the higher level player counts more towards the "average" MMR of the party because Valve has found he has a bigger impact on the game. For you, maybe this isn't as big as it should be, but overall Valve said they analized a lot of games, made a lot of tweaks and it just works better this way. That only affects stacks with wildly diferent levels, which is what you are complaining about. The "stack bonus" affects every stack. This one is a lot harder to tweak I bet. Isn't it a problem in LoL that the game get's much harder if you queue as 4 instead of 1-2? I think I've heard people complaining about it, but it's hard to separate the valid complaints from the QQ, specially concerning MMR. But if that's acurate, it would be a case of the static bonus being too high, since it's not only an issue if you queue with baddies. | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On December 13 2012 03:40 PassiveAce wrote: People in stacks DO complain about facing much better players, especially when playing with their weaker friends. That's my point. Most people complain about this when playing with weaker friends, which means the game may be skewing the MMR too much towards the higher end of the parties MMR, but the "static" bonus MMR is not at fault. When people of similar level queue together, you get a lot less complaints. | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
sorry, I misunderstood the point you were trying to make. Yeah I agree with you. | ||
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unkkz
Norway2196 Posts
Just... i had some great games yesterday thinking i was finally on my way out of the shitbracket, and the first game i get today is the game above... just... really matchmaking? I'm at the same level as that pudge? | ||
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
On December 13 2012 02:55 Gentso wrote: I don't like this. I mean, I could always take the solo mid role when queing with freinds to carry the game that way, but I just prefer to have a normal game and have everyone play what they want. My question for valve is what if my friend plays hard carry and wants me to play hard support? I don't think I should have to so say no just because the system is expecting me to play a more significant role. Yeah exactly, that's what I fear Valve is expecting. | ||
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Gentso
United States2218 Posts
On December 13 2012 03:36 SKC wrote: You are talking about a diferent issue. If two people queue together, the higher level player counts more towards the "average" MMR of the party because Valve has found he has a bigger impact on the game. For you, maybe this isn't as big as it should be, but overall Valve said they analized a lot of games, made a lot of tweaks and it just works better this way. That only affects stacks with wildly diferent levels, which is what you are complaining about. The "stack bonus" affects every stack. This one is a lot harder to tweak I bet. Uhm, I think I made it pretty obvious this was the issue I'm talking about. Getting a proper MMR balance when queing with friends vs another team seems not to be effective right now. It's either stomp or get stomped, very few good games. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On December 13 2012 04:08 theqat wrote: Yeah exactly, that's what I fear Valve is expecting. Shouldn't they? It's not such a simple question. Let's say they lower your MMR, and now you have less pressure to carry. That means if you do end up going mid and carrying the game, you will always have an easy game. There is no easy way to balance it. It's better to give you the choice of making the game "balanced" than to give you the choice of unbalancing it. | ||
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greggy
United Kingdom1483 Posts
he proceeded to buy, in order, bottle, boots, crystalys, daedalus, deso (when we were throning them). never upped boots. | ||
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Thienan567
United States670 Posts
On December 13 2012 03:22 BurningSera wrote: Freaking position 5 invoker only know to ditch out 2 spells all game rofl My shitty garena games were better than that lol I just noticed that AM was literally the only guy with above 300 GPM. That's....sad. Just really sad. I actually feel bad for him despite him playing anti fun | ||
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hooahah
3752 Posts
it's cool though, because near the end of the game I realized that they really were just playing for fun. Even though we got buttraped (by a team of 5 supports...), they still had fun. Made me have more fun too, it's always nice to be reminded that I'm playing a game and not doing a job. | ||
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pyro19
6575 Posts
Lost all 3 games Guess there really is no alternative to teamwork | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
On December 13 2012 07:03 pyro19 wrote: Went Godlike with BH using Kuroness build in 3 consecutive games Lost all 3 games Guess there really is no alternative to teamwork More rapiers The thing about "stacking" is that there's a huge descrpancy between say 4-5 friends in real life looking to have fun and a team trying to win. The bonus might seem too large in one and too small in another. Something that can be considered is giving each player a hidden "teamwork quotient" that tracks how often and how well they queue with others an adjust the stacking changes accordingly | ||
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
On December 13 2012 03:36 SKC wrote: The fact so many people complain about facing stacks almost proves that the MMR disadvantage of being on a stack is not too big. If that was the case, people on stacks would be complaining about facing players of a much better caliber than they, and from my experience that happens very rarely (if the stack is formed of players around the same level and "tryharding"). You are talking about a diferent issue. If two people queue together, the higher level player counts more towards the "average" MMR of the party because Valve has found he has a bigger impact on the game. For you, maybe this isn't as big as it should be, but overall Valve said they analized a lot of games, made a lot of tweaks and it just works better this way. That only affects stacks with wildly diferent levels, which is what you are complaining about. The "stack bonus" affects every stack. This one is a lot harder to tweak I bet. Isn't it a problem in LoL that the game get's much harder if you queue as 4 instead of 1-2? I think I've heard people complaining about it, but it's hard to separate the valid complaints from the QQ, specially concerning MMR. But if that's acurate, it would be a case of the static bonus being too high, since it's not only an issue if you queue with baddies. Oh god, rectal insertion of USB drives with replay files, valve is such a groundbreaking developer. | ||
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Narw
Poland884 Posts
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Scrandom
Canada2819 Posts
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Ratch!
Peru258 Posts
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