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On May 02 2014 08:25 hootsushi wrote:
I still don't know how to kill a slark in pubs. I don't think you have the coordination to properly kill him unless you play like 5k MMR, or you have 5 instant disables.
I feel that it's all about the supports. Rubik, Rhasta and Lion disable him easily after blink, all you need afterwards is damage and slark isnt that sturdy. Also Bloodseeker straight up ruins Slark with a single point.
Most slarks just use their q at the beginning of a fight blindly, so just disable them afterwards and get rid of their team or of them, depending on how farmed slark is.
I am starting to hate catlady. Miranda is in most of my games atm and often i play solo support. I am totally starved for money anyways and suddenly have to afford dust for teamfights and sentries against ganks all the time, or we will just straight up loose the game. It's not rare for me to get arcanes at minute 25 while having 10+ assists and 2-3 deaths because i have to buy consumables all the time.
Also: Nobody at 3k mmr besides me seems to have any idea that teams need supports. 3/5 games the guy who has the least farm dependent hero rushs useless 4k gold item before wards, mek, or anything else supportive, their mid ganks our safelane and thereby wins both lanes. Also i really dont get what's up with everybody thinking that a fourth or fifth core is going to do the team any good.
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On May 02 2014 21:15 Blackfeather wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2014 08:25 hootsushi wrote:
I still don't know how to kill a slark in pubs. I don't think you have the coordination to properly kill him unless you play like 5k MMR, or you have 5 instant disables. I feel that it's all about the supports. Rubik, Rhasta and Lion disable him easily after blink, all you need afterwards is damage and slark isnt that sturdy. Also Bloodseeker straight up ruins Slark with a single point. Most slarks just use their q at the beginning of a fight blindly, so just disable them afterwards and get rid of their team or of them, depending on how farmed slark is. I am starting to hate catlady. Miranda is in most of my games atm and often i play solo support. I am totally starved for money anyways and suddenly have to afford dust for teamfights and sentries against ganks all the time, or we will just straight up loose the game. It's not rare for me to get arcanes at minute 25 while having 10+ assists and 2-3 deaths because i have to buy consumables all the time. Also: Nobody at 3k mmr besides me seems to have any idea that teams need supports. 3/5 games the guy who has the least farm dependent hero rushs useless 4k gold item before wards, mek, or anything else supportive, their mid ganks our safelane and thereby wins both lanes. Also i really dont get what's up with everybody thinking that a fourth or fifth core is going to do the team any good.
I agree, it feels like it's impossible to play a game without a Mirana in the enemy team, uggh. Feels dirty!!
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On May 02 2014 21:15 Blackfeather wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2014 08:25 hootsushi wrote:
I still don't know how to kill a slark in pubs. I don't think you have the coordination to properly kill him unless you play like 5k MMR, or you have 5 instant disables. I feel that it's all about the supports. Rubik, Rhasta and Lion disable him easily after blink, all you need afterwards is damage and slark isnt that sturdy. Also Bloodseeker straight up ruins Slark with a single point. Most slarks just use their q at the beginning of a fight blindly, so just disable them afterwards and get rid of their team or of them, depending on how farmed slark is. I am starting to hate catlady. Miranda is in most of my games atm and often i play solo support. I am totally starved for money anyways and suddenly have to afford dust for teamfights and sentries against ganks all the time, or we will just straight up loose the game. It's not rare for me to get arcanes at minute 25 while having 10+ assists and 2-3 deaths because i have to buy consumables all the time. Also: Nobody at 3k mmr besides me seems to have any idea that teams need supports. 3/5 games the guy who has the least farm dependent hero rushs useless 4k gold item before wards, mek, or anything else supportive, their mid ganks our safelane and thereby wins both lanes. Also i really dont get what's up with everybody thinking that a fourth or fifth core is going to do the team any good.
It's the same at 2.5k, except no one can farm and everyone plays melee carrys. Also, ursa farms the pull camp all the time. It's great.
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I lost this game and proved again, my skill level is below trash tier. I can't win games even with this level of farm.
Interesting thing is my team blamed me for the loss and constant flame/trash talk me all game long. They blame me for not defending the t1 tower 2v4 while I was about to buy my relic. They flame me for not participating the fights(I double the hero damage of my every teammate at least). At some point they admit the only way to win is my split push. Then blame me again for the loss.
Sad boys: http://dotabuff.com/matches/637392002
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what is it with Supports and buying Dagon? Why, WHY? that could've been a Force Staff! a Ghost Scepter! WARDS! DUST!
I would honestly prefer my support to buy a minute 30 midas rather than a minute 30 dagon. Special shoutout to my Visage that bought Aghs before boots.
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I'm so fucking tired of losing matches I should have won. Dropped all the way from 4.5k to 3.8k in 1 week and a half.
One game I get a teammates who feed because he didn't get the lane he wanted. Another game I get 3/4 stacks against me who do shit like nature's prophet, naga siren and broodmother. Then I get another bunch of enemies who pick stuff that takes no skill to use like lifestealer. At last, when the game looks decent, my teammates do dumb shit like suiciding for no reason or buy shit items like aghanim first on kotl instead of mek/ghost vs lifestealer.
It doesn't matter I always have the best score on my team, nope. Can't win, and now I'm stuck at 3.8k after playing for months at 4.5k.
edit: Also, what's up with ruskies talking their stupid language on eu west ? I have english selected and every single game has a ruski talking and screaming in russian. This shit should be bannable. They say " i play here because i dont like playing with russians" but to me it seems they are the problem since they can't even behave nicely.
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Baltimore, USA22259 Posts
On May 02 2014 15:28 wuhan_clan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2014 10:15 Staboteur wrote:
I think my queue buddy gave up on dota. We played a CD, someone else got captain, he got stuck on SK and apparently forgot how to stack. After the 3rd stack fail I told him to just go sit in lane till 3 and I'd stack camps. He hits 3 and instead of going to clear the 4 stack with r2 sandstorm he instead just runs in circles in the lane pouting and talking about how he doesn't want to play anymore.
To top it all off the people we're queued with are a tri-stack and are spewing all kinds of hate over mic, blaming the entire game on such extravagant things as my 0/4/4/1 Shadow Shaman build, because apparently the best idea is to invest into a mana-heavy nuke when your items at 25 minutes are brown boots and a magic wand. Also heavy lockdown vs their morphling and TA is -terrible-, so 0/4/4 certifies me as medically retarded. Cough.
Other support not supporting + tri-stack that seems convinced that a singular support should be able to lane pull + stack camps for axe/sk + zone their magnus + gank other lanes + ward / deward all the while ending up with blink/mana boots / aghas by the 30 minute mark. Yeah, guys. You're right. My bad for not being pro. I don't want to rain on your QQ parade too much but w/e; that 0/4/4/1 shadow shaman build is absolutely ass. It's so bad that I'm gonna QQ about it cuz I've seen how useless it is in few of my own games. The whole "mana heavy nuker" thing is simply wrong. Shadow shadan has enough mana to use all of his spells once in a fight. If you don't have mana, thats your own fault for not managing resources properly. Burst dmg is king in Dota, especially in the early game. In fact, forked lightning is the highest dmg targetable spell at lvl1 and scales all the way to 320 dmg at lvl4 (when most aoe nukes are 300). In like 99% of situations, you're never going to get a full 5 second shackle off. You would have done more dmg with the nuke than having a couple more right clicks during the extra duration. I get you want lockdown vs a morph but burst dmg is actually more important since u already have a hex disable. Also the lvl1 shackle duration is more than enough time for allies to remove refraction charges from a TA. Like most squishy supports, you want to be able to do as much dmg as possible before you inevitably die. I understand your other complaints but you gotta stop doing that build. Unless your team already has an ABSURD amount of dmg, I don't see this build ever being efficient.
I agree completely... 0-4-4-1 shaman is probably the absolute worst way to build him.
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On May 03 2014 02:06 BlitzerSC wrote:
I'm so fucking tired of losing matches I should have won. Dropped all the way from 4.5k to 3.8k in 1 week and a half.
One game I get a teammates who feed because he didn't get the lane he wanted. Another game I get 3/4 stacks against me who do shit like nature's prophet, naga siren and broodmother. Then I get another bunch of enemies who pick stuff that takes no skill to use like lifestealer. At last, when the game looks decent, my teammates do dumb shit like suiciding for no reason or buy shit items like aghanim first on kotl instead of mek/ghost vs lifestealer.
It doesn't matter I always have the best score on my team, nope. Can't win, and now I'm stuck at 3.8k after playing for months at 4.5k.
edit: Also, what's up with ruskies talking their stupid language on eu west ? I have english selected and every single game has a ruski talking and screaming in russian. This shit should be bannable. They say " i play here because i dont like playing with russians" but to me it seems they are the problem since they can't even behave nicely.
Yeah I've noticed a surpsisingly cyrillic letters increase on eu West. Most of Russians used to write in English but once they notice they're at least 3/5 of your team, they don't give a shit. It's really annoying. Disable cyrillic volvo please.
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United States47024 Posts
On May 03 2014 02:24 EvilTeletubby wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2014 15:28 wuhan_clan wrote:On May 02 2014 10:15 Staboteur wrote:
I think my queue buddy gave up on dota. We played a CD, someone else got captain, he got stuck on SK and apparently forgot how to stack. After the 3rd stack fail I told him to just go sit in lane till 3 and I'd stack camps. He hits 3 and instead of going to clear the 4 stack with r2 sandstorm he instead just runs in circles in the lane pouting and talking about how he doesn't want to play anymore.
To top it all off the people we're queued with are a tri-stack and are spewing all kinds of hate over mic, blaming the entire game on such extravagant things as my 0/4/4/1 Shadow Shaman build, because apparently the best idea is to invest into a mana-heavy nuke when your items at 25 minutes are brown boots and a magic wand. Also heavy lockdown vs their morphling and TA is -terrible-, so 0/4/4 certifies me as medically retarded. Cough.
Other support not supporting + tri-stack that seems convinced that a singular support should be able to lane pull + stack camps for axe/sk + zone their magnus + gank other lanes + ward / deward all the while ending up with blink/mana boots / aghas by the 30 minute mark. Yeah, guys. You're right. My bad for not being pro. I don't want to rain on your QQ parade too much but w/e; that 0/4/4/1 shadow shaman build is absolutely ass. It's so bad that I'm gonna QQ about it cuz I've seen how useless it is in few of my own games. The whole "mana heavy nuker" thing is simply wrong. Shadow shadan has enough mana to use all of his spells once in a fight. If you don't have mana, thats your own fault for not managing resources properly. Burst dmg is king in Dota, especially in the early game. In fact, forked lightning is the highest dmg targetable spell at lvl1 and scales all the way to 320 dmg at lvl4 (when most aoe nukes are 300). In like 99% of situations, you're never going to get a full 5 second shackle off. You would have done more dmg with the nuke than having a couple more right clicks during the extra duration. I get you want lockdown vs a morph but burst dmg is actually more important since u already have a hex disable. Also the lvl1 shackle duration is more than enough time for allies to remove refraction charges from a TA. Like most squishy supports, you want to be able to do as much dmg as possible before you inevitably die. I understand your other complaints but you gotta stop doing that build. Unless your team already has an ABSURD amount of dmg, I don't see this build ever being efficient. I agree completely... 0-4-4-1 shaman is probably the absolute worst way to build him.
It was a bit ironic for him to complain about not having enough mana because he had boots+wand at 25 minutes when it's basically impossible to not have Arcanes by ~15 even in a losing game if you max Ether Shock because of the farming options it gives you as a support (e.g. stack hard camp and clear with 2-3 Ether Shocks).
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On May 03 2014 03:54 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2014 02:24 EvilTeletubby wrote:On May 02 2014 15:28 wuhan_clan wrote:On May 02 2014 10:15 Staboteur wrote:
I think my queue buddy gave up on dota. We played a CD, someone else got captain, he got stuck on SK and apparently forgot how to stack. After the 3rd stack fail I told him to just go sit in lane till 3 and I'd stack camps. He hits 3 and instead of going to clear the 4 stack with r2 sandstorm he instead just runs in circles in the lane pouting and talking about how he doesn't want to play anymore.
To top it all off the people we're queued with are a tri-stack and are spewing all kinds of hate over mic, blaming the entire game on such extravagant things as my 0/4/4/1 Shadow Shaman build, because apparently the best idea is to invest into a mana-heavy nuke when your items at 25 minutes are brown boots and a magic wand. Also heavy lockdown vs their morphling and TA is -terrible-, so 0/4/4 certifies me as medically retarded. Cough.
Other support not supporting + tri-stack that seems convinced that a singular support should be able to lane pull + stack camps for axe/sk + zone their magnus + gank other lanes + ward / deward all the while ending up with blink/mana boots / aghas by the 30 minute mark. Yeah, guys. You're right. My bad for not being pro. I don't want to rain on your QQ parade too much but w/e; that 0/4/4/1 shadow shaman build is absolutely ass. It's so bad that I'm gonna QQ about it cuz I've seen how useless it is in few of my own games. The whole "mana heavy nuker" thing is simply wrong. Shadow shadan has enough mana to use all of his spells once in a fight. If you don't have mana, thats your own fault for not managing resources properly. Burst dmg is king in Dota, especially in the early game. In fact, forked lightning is the highest dmg targetable spell at lvl1 and scales all the way to 320 dmg at lvl4 (when most aoe nukes are 300). In like 99% of situations, you're never going to get a full 5 second shackle off. You would have done more dmg with the nuke than having a couple more right clicks during the extra duration. I get you want lockdown vs a morph but burst dmg is actually more important since u already have a hex disable. Also the lvl1 shackle duration is more than enough time for allies to remove refraction charges from a TA. Like most squishy supports, you want to be able to do as much dmg as possible before you inevitably die. I understand your other complaints but you gotta stop doing that build. Unless your team already has an ABSURD amount of dmg, I don't see this build ever being efficient. I agree completely... 0-4-4-1 shaman is probably the absolute worst way to build him. It was a bit ironic for him to complain about not having enough mana because he had boots+wand at 25 minutes when it's basically impossible to not have Arcanes by ~15 even in a losing game if you max Ether Shock because of the farming options it gives you as a support (e.g. stack hard camp and clear with 2-3 Ether Shocks).
Stacked camps were assigned to SK and axe. I had no farming space. This wasn't an option without just delaying their shit.
That said, I can see why the 0-4-4-1 bad, but I was getting full duration shackles off on their TA and magnus because of how far they were diving. When I know there's not going to be no time or space for me to farm with ethershock ever, longer duration disables hardly seems like a game-losing mistake. That said, will never do that build again. Thank you QQ thread for informing me in one of the reasons I'm bad :D
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"Roam Omni" was level 5 when I am level 4 with offlane timber while leeching more than %90 of the lane xp. When support refuse to buy a single ward and give to the offlaner, it is not possible to win the game. Let alone feeding the roam omni.
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right
game is bugged
computer crashes cuz of dota
dota doesnt load because why the fuck would it
get abandon, lose free win
FUCK YOU
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Win mid hard as Invoker vs SF, Sile, CM and Gyro wins their trilane easy (like 8 kills in 5 mins. We have a huge advantage and our Kunkka decides to solo farm for 35 mins because sile and CM didn't upgrade the courier when he wanted it. We can never push t3 because of this. Their SF and Void are getting fat and gyro makes some stupid plays (like thinking he's immortal with aegis etc). When Kunkka finally decides to join the game since we are losing, he can't hit one single boat correctly. Every time Void has his ulti, we die. Game is lost.
Just an example of my games this week. Went from 4.3k to 4k last 4 days. Fuck this retarded game sometimes, really.
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Are you fucking serious? Three games, three fucking times the fifth guy playing with fourstack... WTF
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On April 30 2014 21:25 prplhz wrote:
And when someone does pick support they never do what I command them to do.
I literally snorted out Pepsi while reading this line of your post. So fucking funny.
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3v5 mid, die all, go mid 3v5, die again lose all raxes, lost from 10 kills and zillion of advantage. Then "sorry for the throw". Apparently some people don't deserve to play this game.
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I seem to only have two kinds of games. One where everyone seems to know what they're supposed to do, everyone is friendly and communicates, and those where we have very toxic players who have no idea what they're doing, and the difference is whether or not there is a party on my team and/or whether I accidentally cued all-pick.
Why can't we have solo queue anymore, and why does it feel like AP mmr is inflated by at least 1k?
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On May 02 2014 23:05 Laserist wrote:I lost this game and proved again, my skill level is below trash tier. I can't win games even with this level of farm. Interesting thing is my team blamed me for the loss and constant flame/trash talk me all game long. They blame me for not defending the t1 tower 2v4 while I was about to buy my relic. They flame me for not participating the fights(I double the hero damage of my every teammate at least). At some point they admit the only way to win is my split push. Then blame me again for the loss. Sad boys: http://dotabuff.com/matches/637392002
Sometimes it just doesn't matter how much farm you have or how well you play.
http://dotabuff.com/matches/557119580
CAN'T WIN 'EM ALL LOL
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You know, I'm realising that few things in dota bother me more than people being vindicated on stupid item choices on the backs of their teammates.
Like, for example, a spectre who decides to rush radiance on a team with two other hard carries. Who continues saving for relic as they tear down all our outer towers, dying repeatedly, and finally gets it at 35 minutes as they seige our t3s while we're stuck in base.
Who then - after we've pulled off the most miraculous series of multi-man impales/split-earths/whatevers to hold rax for another 20 minutes at a 15k disadvantage - shows back up with actual items, kills them and eventually wins. And opines: "noobs. this is y i have 2 carry u"
And he will go into his next game and continue doing that. And if he loses, his team were 2 noob 2 carry. I... I don't even know...
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Tidehunter goes battlefury, heart, halberd, phase boots and on his way for cuirass. For fucks sake just pick a fucking carry...
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