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fooby
United States52 Posts
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Durak
Canada3685 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [Comp#1] + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/9vi30Vb.png) + Show Spoiler [Comp#2] + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/9WLQi2m.png) What do you guys think? If you don't think the computers are worth salvaging, I am OK buying them new computers for $600+ each. If just a SSD would be good enough, I'd appreciate suggestions on a 200+ GB SSD. Thanks! | ||
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Johnnycashew
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This is my current build, I only have the main guts listed since I don't think it matters what peripherals/storage I'm using. What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080 Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade? I linked it above, but the rig I have now was built back around this time in 2013 thanks to this thread's help. I only use 8GB of RAM on it, so sometimes simple things slow it down randomly. As I write this and look at Task Manager, Firefox is eating 1GB of Memory and 54% of the Memory is being used. This PC will mainly be used for playing video games, game programming, video editing, streaming and some 3d asset rendering. I am currently in a bachelor degree program focused on game design and programming, so the absolute limit of what it needs to do is be able to render a (fairly) basic model in 3DS or Maya while recording/streaming without hindrance. The programs I mostly will be using that aren't just games are: Unity, Unreal, (Adobe) Animate/Photoshop/Premiere, 3DS, Maya, Audacity, OBS, etc. What is your budget? I am a college student, so saving money is important. A more capable computer is required moving forward in life now though, so budget is important but I won't fret over spending like 10 extra dollars on a part if it comes from a more reputable brand. Like I said above, I'd highly prefer to save money, and if I can do so by not having to buy a new Graphics Card, Tower or PSU and spend $450-$650 on the Motherboard/CPU/RAM together that would be great. One exception to the above statement might be the PSU. There's a bit of melted cable and honestly don't remember what caused it at this point and the cables take up a large amount of space inside the tower, so I wouldn't be completely opposed to a new PSU that is modular if the cable situation is a point of concern, though it has been that way for years now and caused no discernible problems. I have storage devices, peripherals and a Windows 10 key already so those don't need to be factored into cost. What country will you be buying your parts in? The United States, Connecticut. If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify. I prefer Newegg and Amazon. My attempt at a build: I'm not super knowledgeable when it comes to the compatibility of parts or which brands are good or bad, but this was my attempt at a brand new build from scratch. (Minus peripherals, storage and the W10 key I already have) The build linked above is fairly well above my $850 cap of "start-from-scratch" and I am unsure if it's even a not awful build, but I also think my current build's GPU, PSU and Tower could all be substitutes for their counterparts on the list bringing the cost down below that cap. Then again, I am out of my depth on this so I may be completely making a fool of myself in this ending section. Sorry if this was long post, looking forward to help and answers! Thanks! | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On March 19 2020 02:55 Durak wrote: I would like to set-up two computers at home for my parents to work remotely (COVID-19, etc.). My parents don't do much aside from web browsing, Outlook, and Word. I think the two computers I have are good enough if I just buy them new SSDs so they are snappier: + Show Spoiler [Comp#1] + + Show Spoiler [Comp#2] + What do you guys think? If you don't think the computers are worth salvaging, I am OK buying them new computers for $600+ each. If just a SSD would be good enough, I'd appreciate suggestions on a 200+ GB SSD. Thanks! WD Blue series and Samsung Evo 860 2.5" are both good options for SSD's, I'd probably go for a 500GB over the 250GB for the $20-$30 difference. Knowing my parents, I would probably buy a $200 Chromebook instead of trying to repurpose those machines. For the level of performance you're getting, forcing desktop use is a bit shitty when a modern flagship phone will outperform them... That's why I like the idea of the laptop in this case. I think the processors are fine for everyday tasks, but I think Windows 10 will struggle a lot with 3-4GB of RAM. If you're set on a desktop, then sure, the SSD idea will work, and with a 500GB one you'll be able to get a new CPU/Mobo/RAM combo down the line for $250 if it's not enough. | ||
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Durak
Canada3685 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
Doom Eternal is a fucking trainwreck on zen CPU's. I thought the game itself was to blame or even the denuvo DRM, but both have been ruled out by now. This is just staring at the floor at 360p minimum settings with a 3900x and a 1080ti, exploring why i have 1/3'rd of the performance of some Intel setups: CPU frametime avg 12c24t: 4.5ms 9c18t: 4.0ms 6c12t: 3.4ms 4c8t: 2.95ms 3c6t: 2.8ms 2c4t: 3.15ms 1c2t: 5.2ms The game runs 60% faster if you turn off 75% of the cores in the CPU - and it plays much more smoothly, without awful microstuttering (regular 15-20ms frametimes). That should also be true for the 3950x, it's probably even greater of a loss on threadripper and given the scaling, should apply to even the lower end zen CPU's like the 1700 and 3600. Seeing this i would expect that a 3700x/3800x actually outperforms the 3900x when configured correctly because of having four cores per L3 cache cluster instead of three. This is the kind of really dumb problem that i would expect people to notice and fix before shipping a game but it didn't happen here. The root of it is more than likely the windows 10 scheduler being awful again but the developers could have ran some auto affinity settings and had the game perform this much better for a huge chunk of their userbase with only minutes of performance analysis and work. Of course running one of the most highly threadable game engines in history on only 3 cores is not good either, it's just less of a disaster than treating a CPU with four different L3 cache segments as if it were all connected. End result is that performance is much lower than Intel (z390 and x299 both wreck it) - maybe it's 50-60% of what they're capable of - but that's a lot better than 1/3'rd or less. | ||
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Broetchenholer
Germany1950 Posts
I had this before once, the pc starts up and then immediately dies down again. Then starts up, then dies down. I "solved" it last time by just moving it a bit, rattle all cables confusely and being clueless and suddenly all worked fine again. This time, it's not that easy. I think it's a problem with static charge on the pc, but i don't know how to deal with that. I tried to unüplug all connections and see what happens, the system started once but not anymore since then. Right now only motherboard, processor and coolers are connected to the power supply and it still won't start. I heard i should reassemble it but i don't know how to get the charge off it. Any other recommendations? | ||
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Simberto
Germany11713 Posts
If not, do you have a beeper connected to where it belongs so you could get a beep code? Beep codes are the best, because they tell you stuff about what is going wrong. | ||
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Broetchenholer
Germany1950 Posts
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ZerOCoolSC2
9017 Posts
Electronics are sensitive in that regard lol. | ||
zatic
Zurich15359 Posts
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ZerOCoolSC2
9017 Posts
On March 26 2020 18:03 zatic wrote: Anyone got a experience with a combined work/gaming setup? Specifically talking screens. I think for work I would want 2 screens of the same type and not have them be too large (24"/26"). For gaming though one big screen would be much preferred. Which way did you guys go if you have the same kind of conflict? Are you talking dual monitors or a total of three? | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
9017 Posts
On March 19 2020 13:21 Johnnycashew wrote: What is your current build? This is my current build, I only have the main guts listed since I don't think it matters what peripherals/storage I'm using. What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080 Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade? I linked it above, but the rig I have now was built back around this time in 2013 thanks to this thread's help. I only use 8GB of RAM on it, so sometimes simple things slow it down randomly. As I write this and look at Task Manager, Firefox is eating 1GB of Memory and 54% of the Memory is being used. This PC will mainly be used for playing video games, game programming, video editing, streaming and some 3d asset rendering. I am currently in a bachelor degree program focused on game design and programming, so the absolute limit of what it needs to do is be able to render a (fairly) basic model in 3DS or Maya while recording/streaming without hindrance. The programs I mostly will be using that aren't just games are: Unity, Unreal, (Adobe) Animate/Photoshop/Premiere, 3DS, Maya, Audacity, OBS, etc. What is your budget? I am a college student, so saving money is important. A more capable computer is required moving forward in life now though, so budget is important but I won't fret over spending like 10 extra dollars on a part if it comes from a more reputable brand. Like I said above, I'd highly prefer to save money, and if I can do so by not having to buy a new Graphics Card, Tower or PSU and spend $450-$650 on the Motherboard/CPU/RAM together that would be great. One exception to the above statement might be the PSU. There's a bit of melted cable and honestly don't remember what caused it at this point and the cables take up a large amount of space inside the tower, so I wouldn't be completely opposed to a new PSU that is modular if the cable situation is a point of concern, though it has been that way for years now and caused no discernible problems. I have storage devices, peripherals and a Windows 10 key already so those don't need to be factored into cost. What country will you be buying your parts in? The United States, Connecticut. If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify. I prefer Newegg and Amazon. My attempt at a build: I'm not super knowledgeable when it comes to the compatibility of parts or which brands are good or bad, but this was my attempt at a brand new build from scratch. (Minus peripherals, storage and the W10 key I already have) The build linked above is fairly well above my $850 cap of "start-from-scratch" and I am unsure if it's even a not awful build, but I also think my current build's GPU, PSU and Tower could all be substitutes for their counterparts on the list bringing the cost down below that cap. Then again, I am out of my depth on this so I may be completely making a fool of myself in this ending section. Sorry if this was long post, looking forward to help and answers! Thanks! Here is my current build (I believe?). Build1 I would say your first thing is to make sure the stuff you don't want to upgrade at the moment is supported by the new parts (GPU) and get at least 32GB of RAM (I do something similar to you, you'll want the extra RAM). | ||
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zatic
Zurich15359 Posts
On March 26 2020 23:12 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: Are you talking dual monitors or a total of three? Well for work I would get dual monitors equal size. For gaming I only need one - but a larger screen. I just can't make up my mind which combination of screens would work best and was wondering how others do mixed work/gaming setups. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
9017 Posts
On March 26 2020 23:25 zatic wrote: Well for work I would get dual monitors equal size. For gaming I only need one - but a larger screen. I just can't make up my mind which combination of screens would work best and was wondering how others do mixed work/gaming setups. I have a single 27" Sceptre at the moment and it works for both needs for me currently. I want another of the same size for work as well. IMO, you'll be fine with 2 equal monitors for both tasks. Any larger and you might as well get TVs mounted to the wall. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11713 Posts
If i were to do a setup for work, i would probably prefer to have the second monitor set up such that the short side is horizontal and the long side is vertical. That could display any type of code or text in a way which is much easier to read, and you could see more of it at once. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On March 27 2020 00:40 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: I have a single 27" Sceptre at the moment and it works for both needs for me currently. I want another of the same size for work as well. IMO, you'll be fine with 2 equal monitors for both tasks. Any larger and you might as well get TVs mounted to the wall. I have a 34" ultrawide and a 27". They're both the same height and vertical resolution so no jumps between screens. Works quite well for what I do, although this is a rather pricey setup. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
9017 Posts
On March 27 2020 08:47 Amui wrote: I have a 34" ultrawide and a 27". They're both the same height and vertical resolution so no jumps between screens. Works quite well for what I do, although this is a rather pricey setup. How close are you to those monitors? Are they mounted or desktop? Do you have a discernible advantage with an extra 7"? | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On March 27 2020 11:49 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: How close are you to those monitors? Are they mounted or desktop? Do you have a discernible advantage with an extra 7"? Both are 144Hz so primary use is still gaming. I sit about a 1M away from them, 27" is propped up by textbooks, 34" is mounted to the wall. 34" is amazing for productivity. I can fit 4 letter pages side by side without the text being particularly small in word for example, although for working I would probably only do 3. In a default excel sheet I have 53 columns. Makes a big difference for a lot of my work now that I'm working from home a lot. | ||
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zatic
Zurich15359 Posts
On March 28 2020 03:21 Amui wrote: Both are 144Hz so primary use is still gaming. I sit about a 1M away from them, 27" is propped up by textbooks, 34" is mounted to the wall. 34" is amazing for productivity. I can fit 4 letter pages side by side without the text being particularly small in word for example, although for working I would probably only do 3. In a default excel sheet I have 53 columns. Makes a big difference for a lot of my work now that I'm working from home a lot. Would you mind taking a picture of the setup? Widescreen + extra was also something I was thinking about. Do you do gaming on the widescreen? | ||
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