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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20322 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-15 12:04:02
January 15 2020 12:03 GMT
#14181
I don't think so, good entry point is probably double that

16GB of RAM is definitely a good bet with integrated graphics as the graphics will take gigabytes of it and 8GB would limit future upgrades too. RAM is relatively cheap at the moment.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17274 Posts
January 15 2020 18:22 GMT
#14182
6/8 pin GPU adapters are a recipe for a fire. The cables they're "adapting" from are not rated anywhere near the power that can be drawn from 6/8 connectors.
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Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-21 23:38:31
January 21 2020 22:51 GMT
#14183
On January 16 2020 03:22 Craton wrote:
6/8 pin GPU adapters are a recipe for a fire. The cables they're "adapting" from are not rated anywhere near the power that can be drawn from 6/8 connectors.

I'd be more concerned about the PSU that it's drawing from than the cables themselves. Cable amp rating is generally quite conservative, and in a case with moderate airflow it shouldn't be a concern. 6 pin in general should be okay if the 12V rail connected to the molex can supply enough, as it's within the connector spec, especially if using 2 INDEPENDENT Molex lines, or if you know the card isn't going to take the full 75W.

That being said, I would be extremely wary of using it for 8pin. Older or more underpowered PSU's won't have the same level of filtering on that 12V rail, as it's designed for lower power accessories like CD drives and hard drives, and they likely have lower power ratings on that rail in general.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20322 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-27 03:27:29
January 27 2020 02:46 GMT
#14184
Good coverage of the rx 5600 debacle



ATM i strongly recommend avoiding any RDNA card as the whole family are still having major problems 6 months after launch due to not having any particularly stable driver yet, which will carry over to the 5600 series and any other RDNA-based GPU.
Even heavily amd-biased forums are flooded with stability complaints and people jumping ship to older AMD or Nvidia based cards so that they can run the games that they used to run on their old cards without crashing multiple times a day.

The tech is a huge leap over prior AMD GPU's but software and launch planning has been disastrous for all consumers and card manufacturers. AMD even doubled down and systematically denied information / misled reviewers.

The GPU team is so much less competent in seemingly every way than the CPU team :x

22:43+ in above vid, Steve has some similar opinions although he's more forgiving of the software than me.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
February 06 2020 14:07 GMT
#14185
Hi folks, my rig was a half build some 9 years ago, survived a hard drive catching fire at Dreamhack and much more besides. It has been a faithful servant and has lasted rather well probably because I never really pushed it much beyond SC2 and stopped buying modern games.

It does struggle even with Pillars of Eternity, specifically when there is a lot of particle effects, so at least I know it’s the GPU that’s likely bottlenecking things.

Luckily my friend stopped gaming entirely so I have his graphics card sitting around, which would be a significant upgrade indeed.

Embarrassingly I cannot get said card to actually work. I logged my components into PC part picker and they’re all compatible with my motherboard, the PSU is putting out more than enough to drive everything too.

But it will not work, there’s no monitor output at all so I can’t even look around in BIOS while it’s hooked up.

Any ideas? I’d heard updating the BIOS firmware might work but briefly reading about it it sounds a less simple/more risky action than I’d have thought initially.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9017 Posts
February 06 2020 17:30 GMT
#14186
What card do you have and mobo?
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-06 18:40:45
February 06 2020 18:40 GMT
#14187
Gigabyte GA-Z77-D3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard

Sapphire Radeon RX 480 4 GB NITRO+ 4G Video Card

Not good with model names thank god I saved the components on PCpartpicker lol
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9017 Posts
February 06 2020 18:52 GMT
#14188
Get a USB and download a BIOS firmware update. I had something similar with my recent build and that helped fix the issue of no screen. Check to make sure that there is one. Any gfx card updates should be downloaded as well. Start hitting F2 and Del like...2 seconds after the computer turns on to see if you can get into the BIOS.

If I remember more, I'll post. But someone will surely have a fix by the end of the day.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23579 Posts
February 06 2020 20:01 GMT
#14189
Not sure what kind of monitor connection you're using but you're plugged into the graphics card not the mobo right? Feel like someone did this a few months ago so I figured I'd mention it just in case.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
February 06 2020 21:08 GMT
#14190
On February 07 2020 05:01 GreenHorizons wrote:
Not sure what kind of monitor connection you're using but you're plugged into the graphics card not the mobo right? Feel like someone did this a few months ago so I figured I'd mention it just in case.

Jesus GH give me some bloody credit man :p

Granted I once stuck my PC in for repairs and that was the issue then. The service people were rather polite but I assume they had a good laugh behind the scenes.

'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
bt
Profile Joined March 2013
United States24 Posts
February 13 2020 03:39 GMT
#14191
Did yall know you can build a router just as you would a pc, put pfsense on it, and have a custom router
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15359 Posts
February 19 2020 07:44 GMT
#14192
On December 26 2019 23:05 zatic wrote:
The FC750R looks perfect, thanks. But I can't seem to find them anywhere in stock and shipping to EU Thanks anyway.

Took over 4 weeks to ship, but I finally have it. Truly a great keyboard, love it! Typing feels so pleasant, but still getting used to it for gaming.
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12906 Posts
February 22 2020 20:37 GMT
#14193
I didn’t think I was that bad at building computers lol :/.
I bought a 1TB SATA SSD to use for games (my HDD is a bit too slow and the main SSD ain’t big enough for too much games).
I tried to plug it but I had no screw to keep it locked (why don’t they give screws in the box? Isn’t it standard size?...)
Fine apparently you can just let it hang in the case, I just have to plug it... but they don’t give the SATA cable to plug it, how is it possible to sell something incomplete?

So I used the cable from my HDD (they work the same right?) and I’ll have to buy it a cable to be able to use it again. Hopefully everything works out.
WriterMaru
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-22 20:56:18
February 22 2020 20:51 GMT
#14194
On February 23 2020 05:37 Poopi wrote:
I didn’t think I was that bad at building computers lol :/.
I bought a 1TB SATA SSD to use for games (my HDD is a bit too slow and the main SSD ain’t big enough for too much games).
I tried to plug it but I had no screw to keep it locked (why don’t they give screws in the box? Isn’t it standard size?...)
Fine apparently you can just let it hang in the case, I just have to plug it... but they don’t give the SATA cable to plug it, how is it possible to sell something incomplete?

So I used the cable from my HDD (they work the same right?) and I’ll have to buy it a cable to be able to use it again. Hopefully everything works out.

I think at one stage I was alternating between having a functioning optical drive and hooking up my second hard drive, and swapping the SATA cable as required. So you’re not alone there lol. I have also (twice) wiped entire hard drives absent-mindedly, so I’m probably more incompetent on balance.

I’m unsure as to why they don’t tend to bundle such things in (in my experience anyway), luckily my dad has left behind enough screws, bolts and various types of cables to do me for a lifetime. Think I have over 30 Ethernet cables sitting around alone.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17274 Posts
February 23 2020 18:55 GMT
#14195
You probably bought OEM instead of Retail if it came missing the extras. Many people already have those, so OEM is the cheaper option.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12906 Posts
March 03 2020 09:23 GMT
#14196
It was in a box so it wasn’t OEM was it?

Anyways, I had to plug the HDD back otherwise I couldn’t even go to BIOS, it booted on some random Grub, probably because windows was on SSD but Linux on HDD and the ability to choose which OS at the start on HDD as well I guess?

Still haven’t bothered to buy the needed cable, I thought I might had one in my motherboard box at my mom’s flat but I wasn’t able to find said box.

Quite a pity
WriterMaru
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17274 Posts
March 07 2020 06:15 GMT
#14197
Depends on the box. Some retail ones probably just don't come with them, though I'd expect it's basically OEM prices at that point. Specs usually list what comes inside the box before you get it.
twitch.tv/cratonz
claybones
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States244 Posts
March 11 2020 00:32 GMT
#14198
I'm interested in getting a new CPU and motherboard as a platform for being able to upgrade other components in the future. I'm bringing over my GTX1080 and 16 GB of DDR4 from my current rig with the understanding that a RAM expansion will be my next step when I feel it's appropriate. I mostly want suggestions for good pairings around my price range.

I want something high-end with a focus on CPU intensive gaming. I was looking at the AMD Ryzen 9 3950X since it seems like it'll be strong for a while and the price point is around what I was targeting. I'd appreciate any suggestions for good motherboards and alternative CPU options. I also welcome an explanation of the logic behind your suggestions as that would help inform my decision. Thank you.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9017 Posts
March 11 2020 03:31 GMT
#14199
Read up on AMD and Intel handlings of Take A Way issues. I'd personally go with the one who has some kind of fix on the horizon. Other than that....AMD has been killing it lately and they're CPUs are nothing to sneeze at. I have the 3700x and it pushes renders through quick and easily. I've barely put it under an appropriate stress test.

MOBOs depends on the CPU you go with. I got an ASUS mobo for my 3700x.
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15359 Posts
March 11 2020 06:35 GMT
#14200
Can you run a 3 series Threadripper on a TR4 socket? And is the 3 series Threadripper any good at gaming (compared to a similarly priced Ryzen or Intel)?
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