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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium4998 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-05 11:12:16
November 05 2019 11:11 GMT
#14081
Thanks for that site.. I've checked some of it out and it seems quite practical!
Taxes are for Terrans
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-05 17:28:19
November 05 2019 17:25 GMT
#14082
Just tossed some parts together:

https://be.pcpartpicker.com/list/NLwrV7

Notes:
I'm assuming 300euro for the 1660 super - could be more or less.
The tomahawk max motherboard is compatible with Ryzen 3000 out of the box.

Your monitor is a 2560x1440 at 24" which is tiny. You're likely better off getting either a 1920x1080 144hz 24" or upgrading to a 2560x1440 @27"

Case is always personal preference
You'll have to find some of the parts at your preferred retailer since pcpartpicker couldn't find them
If you want to play at 144hz @2560x1440, you might want to consider upgrading to a AMD 5700 level card depending on the games you play. LoL will be fine with whatever GPU you toss in it, since it'll get 200+ FPS with any of them.
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium4998 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-05 23:28:11
November 05 2019 23:27 GMT
#14083
Ok so, looking some more, taking your advice into consideration, I think this is a semi finalized list.

https://be.pcpartpicker.com/list/KfWZf9

A dumb question: the case seems to be doing air flow quite well.. will I need extra heat drainage from the start? I think I can add that in later, right? Thanks for the help everyone gave me so far.
Taxes are for Terrans
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9012 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-06 16:38:53
November 06 2019 16:34 GMT
#14084
I'm running stock on my AMD and I haven't noticed any issues. If you see that you're constantly running high, then maybe get an aftermarket. But if noise if an issue for you, be careful with what you choose.

EDIT: I'd probably change the 1TB SSD to 500GB and grab a 2 TB HDD. I only run programs from my SSD (admittedly huge file sizes) and store everything on the HDD. Works like a charm. Also for a monitor, consider this: Sceptre E255B-1658A 24.5" 1920x1080 165 Hz Monitor

I have it and while the speakers are fucking awful, if you headphones or externals, it doesn't really matter. But the color and size are amazing.
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6219 Posts
November 06 2019 19:42 GMT
#14085
@Uldridge - Your build is reasonable
The X570 board doesn't do much (or anything really) since nothing you're buying needs the PCI-E 4.0
X570 lives for one more generation, so unless you plan to upgrade next year, you're probably better off buying a B450 board that's BIOS updated and saving $100-$150 (MSI motherboards with MAX are updated for ryzen 3000 such as one from this list: https://www.alternate.be/html/search.html?query=msi max&x=0&y=0 )

For cooling, the CPU comes with a stock cooler, and the case comes with 2 fans next to the CPU socket. It'll be fine at stock unless you want something quieter.

For components the only place to save a few bucks is the PSU
Corsair TX550M - Retails for 80 euros at alternate.be (Still 80+ gold, 7 year warranty, down from 10 with the seasonic)

And as ^ said, if you want to get more storage, the cheapest solution is to grab a smaller SSD for your most used stuff, and a large HDD to toss big files on.

Monitors are a game of compromises.
Pick a size, resolution and then you have to pick from a list of features:

1. Refresh rate - for gaming at least 120hz
2. Panel technology - determines a lot of other attributes
3. Color accuracy, viewing angles, color gamut (displayable colors). TN is the worst at this
4. g2g/pixel response times (how fast colors change) TN wins
5. price - TN is cheapest, any other technology goes up from there

If you watch a lot of media on your computer, it might be better to compromise and get a VA panel since the blacks are massively better
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9012 Posts
November 06 2019 20:16 GMT
#14086
I'm typically looking straight on at my monitor, so while the TN doesn't have the best angles, it will work for me at the moment. I wanted an IPS but I couldn't bring myself to drop 250+ on a decent display. I think there was a Dell or Samsung/LG I was looking at but decided Scepter. The price did it for me.
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium4998 Posts
November 06 2019 21:26 GMT
#14087
Okay so I bought the parts, the only thing I changed is the motherboard per your suggestion, Lmui and went for a MSI B450 GAMING PLUS MAX.
Now I get to learn about how to actually build it and making it all work lol.

I actually already have 1T of data so with the extra Terrabyte I won't be filling up any time soon imo. If I really need extra space in the future, I'll be a HDD.

Thanks for all the help so far!
Taxes are for Terrans
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6219 Posts
November 07 2019 00:24 GMT
#14088
On November 07 2019 06:26 Uldridge wrote:
Okay so I bought the parts, the only thing I changed is the motherboard per your suggestion, Lmui and went for a MSI B450 GAMING PLUS MAX.
Now I get to learn about how to actually build it and making it all work lol.

I actually already have 1T of data so with the extra Terrabyte I won't be filling up any time soon imo. If I really need extra space in the future, I'll be a HDD.

Thanks for all the help so far!


Cheers.

Everything inside a computer fits together in 1 way, except front panel headers which come in a variety of shapes and sizes, so you're exceptionally unlikely to ever screw anything up. Have fun and enjoy the system
Urioysone
Profile Joined November 2019
2 Posts
November 08 2019 13:33 GMT
#14089
Hi! I'm hoping to build a new gaming pc in the next couple days (when my parts arrive) and I haven't decided on an OS yet. Like a lot of people, I've used Windows all my life but I am looking for something cheaper and more secure then windows 10. I also heard linux is easier to install also, which is good for me because I'm not experienced in installing this stuff. (Though I'm sure I could install either, it's probably not rocket science. Lol)

My question is, which OS would be better for steam gaming? Do all games on steam work for linux? Would you recommend one or the other based on your experience?
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium4998 Posts
November 08 2019 16:14 GMT
#14090
Man, missed my huge delivery because of work and now I have to wait till tuesday -_-
Taxes are for Terrans
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6219 Posts
November 08 2019 17:44 GMT
#14091
On November 08 2019 22:33 Urioysone wrote:
Hi! I'm hoping to build a new gaming pc in the next couple days (when my parts arrive) and I haven't decided on an OS yet. Like a lot of people, I've used Windows all my life but I am looking for something cheaper and more secure then windows 10. I also heard linux is easier to install also, which is good for me because I'm not experienced in installing this stuff. (Though I'm sure I could install either, it's probably not rocket science. Lol)

My question is, which OS would be better for steam gaming? Do all games on steam work for linux? Would you recommend one or the other based on your experience?


Just use Windows if you want it to just work. If you have a key for 10, 8 or 7, it'll work. You can also find keys for cheap everywhere on the internet. Yeah it costs more than free, but it also pretty much guarantees a hassle free experience. Most of the consumer Linux flavours are pretty good nowadays, even when it comes to drivers, game support etc, but you're still making sacrifices in comparison to Windows.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17274 Posts
November 08 2019 21:23 GMT
#14092
Linux being more secure is disingenuous at best. There are plenty of viruses that target the various distros and unless you're a really informed user it's easy to screw things up and enable security vulnerabilities. Windows is just more notorious for issues because since it utterly dominates the market the majority of viruses target that platform.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium4998 Posts
November 12 2019 23:48 GMT
#14093
Quite bummed atm.. put everything together, and even though it turns on (gpu lights on, fans blow, front panel functionality), I get no POST, nor a bios screen. My mobo (B450 gaming plus max) should support my cpu, so I have no clue what the issue might be.. I'm fairly certain I put everything in correctly, going to be quite the ride trying to figure out what the problem is. Sigh.
Taxes are for Terrans
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6219 Posts
November 13 2019 00:21 GMT
#14094
On November 13 2019 08:48 Uldridge wrote:
Quite bummed atm.. put everything together, and even though it turns on (gpu lights on, fans blow, front panel functionality), I get no POST, nor a bios screen. My mobo (B450 gaming plus max) should support my cpu, so I have no clue what the issue might be.. I'm fairly certain I put everything in correctly, going to be quite the ride trying to figure out what the problem is. Sigh.


Make sure your monitor is plugged into your GPU, not the motherboard, since there's no onboard video for ryzen 3000
Plug in only one of the RAM sticks in the slots (sometimes works if one of the sticks is bad) - Manual says use DIMM2A slot http://download.msi.com/archive/mnu_exe/mb/E7B86v1.2-GSE-LITE.pdf

Given that fans turn on, and the GPU lights up, if that doesn't work you'll probably need to find a speaker to plug into the buzzer/speaker slots (JFP1, JFP2: Front Panel Connectors) to see exactly where the problem is.

Hopefully that helps.
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium4998 Posts
November 13 2019 07:13 GMT
#14095
Yeah it helped. I feel like a massive idiot for not putting it in the gpu slot, thought the black slips were just to decorative, like a relic from other models or something lol.

I've put both my RAM sticks in the red slots (DIMM2A and DIMM2B), but I'm not sure if I should just leave it at one for now (have only booted up with one for now, will boot up with 2 if I figure out if that's fine to do).

Thanks, again!
Taxes are for Terrans
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-13 12:42:16
November 13 2019 12:41 GMT
#14096
Don't feel too bad. The first time I built my PC, I did the exact same thing as you did and felt like a massive idiot too.
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6219 Posts
November 13 2019 18:37 GMT
#14097
On November 13 2019 16:13 Uldridge wrote:
Yeah it helped. I feel like a massive idiot for not putting it in the gpu slot, thought the black slips were just to decorative, like a relic from other models or something lol.

I've put both my RAM sticks in the red slots (DIMM2A and DIMM2B), but I'm not sure if I should just leave it at one for now (have only booted up with one for now, will boot up with 2 if I figure out if that's fine to do).

Thanks, again!


Cheers, everyone gets to learn something once
https://xkcd.com/1053/

Both red slots is good.
If you're running with one stick now, just shutdown, toss in the other and start it back up when you have a chance. It doesn't actually hurt performance much to have a single stick in most workflows, but having dual channel is ideal.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9012 Posts
November 13 2019 20:32 GMT
#14098
Anyone here using NordVPN? A little off topic but I need an answer before I waste time on customer support.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20322 Posts
November 17 2019 07:34 GMT
#14099
Sorry didn't see that post for a while, i don't use nord and don't recommend because of how they hid their 2018 security breach for as long as possible. It went public via a leak a year and a half afterwards because they hadn't owned up to it yet.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9012 Posts
November 17 2019 15:28 GMT
#14100
Too late. I got the issue resolved. I'll follow the news on them going forward but so far the biggest gripe is speeds are inconsistent.
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