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bt
United States24 Posts
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Kotreb
Croatia1392 Posts
AMD Ryzen 7 3700X ASUS Prime X570-P DDR4 32GB (2x16) G.Skill 3200Mhz Ripjaws V Sapphire RX590 8G D5 Nitro+ special edition Corsair 750W TX750M RIOTORO Prism CR1288TG (I picked this case because I already have 3 hdds which need to fit) Samsung SSD 500GB 860 EVO Does this seem fine to you? Is there anything you'd change/upgrade? A have a bit of extra cash in budget, but not much. I don't have any plans to overclock it, and mostly it will be used for work and a bit of gaming. I was thinking also of buying a new monitor maybe (current AOC works just fine, but since I have the possibility, eh why not). The budget for monitor is around 250€ (hoping for a 144hz if possible). I will be buying all of the parts in Croatia, in ADM to be precise. Top of the hat and cheerios lads. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6213 Posts
On October 03 2019 09:40 Kotreb wrote: Hi guys. So, I'm buying a new PC, and these are the parts I picked: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X ASUS Prime X570-P DDR4 32GB (2x16) G.Skill 3200Mhz Ripjaws V Sapphire RX590 8G D5 Nitro+ special edition Corsair 750W TX750M RIOTORO Prism CR1288TG (I picked this case because I already have 3 hdds which need to fit) Samsung SSD 500GB 860 EVO Does this seem fine to you? Is there anything you'd change/upgrade? A have a bit of extra cash in budget, but not much. I don't have any plans to overclock it, and mostly it will be used for work and a bit of gaming. I was thinking also of buying a new monitor maybe (current AOC works just fine, but since I have the possibility, eh why not). The budget for monitor is around 250€ (hoping for a 144hz if possible). I will be buying all of the parts in Croatia, in ADM to be precise. Top of the hat and cheerios lads. My recommendations: If you're not planning to OC, and primarily just work/gaming, drop the X570 down to a B450 - this one is already flashed for you so it's a drop in replacement, and you save a fair chunk of change. https://www.adm.hr/product.asp?product=msi-b450-tomahawk-max-am4-7c02-020r&code=094.500.129 Drop the Corsair 750W down to a 550W to save a few bucks - You don't gain anything with the 750W since you'll struggle to break 300W with your system. The 550W has 2x PCI-e connectors and 5x SATA power so it'll support everything you need. https://www.adm.hr/product.asp?product=napajanje-corsair-550w-tx550m-cp-9020133-eu&code=131.400.037 Cases are a deeply personal choice so no real comments there. It is an eATX (gigantic) case so you may want to go down to a mid-tower - check the size and see if you have room for it. Depending on the price, you could get a newer SSD - the 860 EVO is fine for what it is though. If you'd like less cables flopping around, get the M.2 version so it plugs into the motherboard. | ||
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Dingodile
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There will be several interesting gpus this month RX5500, RX5600, 1650Ti and 1660 Super. | ||
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Kotreb
Croatia1392 Posts
On October 03 2019 17:07 Lmui wrote: My recommendations: If you're not planning to OC, and primarily just work/gaming, drop the X570 down to a B450 - this one is already flashed for you so it's a drop in replacement, and you save a fair chunk of change. https://www.adm.hr/product.asp?product=msi-b450-tomahawk-max-am4-7c02-020r&code=094.500.129 Drop the Corsair 750W down to a 550W to save a few bucks - You don't gain anything with the 750W since you'll struggle to break 300W with your system. The 550W has 2x PCI-e connectors and 5x SATA power so it'll support everything you need. https://www.adm.hr/product.asp?product=napajanje-corsair-550w-tx550m-cp-9020133-eu&code=131.400.037 Cases are a deeply personal choice so no real comments there. It is an eATX (gigantic) case so you may want to go down to a mid-tower - check the size and see if you have room for it. Depending on the price, you could get a newer SSD - the 860 EVO is fine for what it is though. If you'd like less cables flopping around, get the M.2 version so it plugs into the motherboard. Thank you. It'll be primarily used for work,and a bit of gaming. Didn't realise this was is eATX, gonna have to find new one (i have the space, i just hate those giant towers). I was thinking about maybe getting Kingston a2000 which is a bit pricier, but i get 1TB, or maybe M.2 version of some SSD. Was thinking about maybe getting rx 5700. Is it worth the upgrade? | ||
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Lmui
Canada6213 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/0eMojW3.jpg) I have a reasonable mid-range system: 4670k @4ghz (84WTDP), 16gb RAM, GTX 1080 (180W tdp), 1 SSD, 1HDD This is my peak usage since the last power outage (516 hours, 50 minutes), measuring only the cable leading to my system's PSU. I use the PC for gaming and that's about it for heavy loads. IIRC if I ran furmark + CPU stress, it can get up to ~380W, maybe 400W but that's an exceptional load. It'll never reach that under normal use. The average person will never use 400W, let alone 500W. You also have to keep in mind that I'm using 120V, and this is the wall power, so the system itself is using ~15% less than that, so ~280W, essentially half the 550W PSU's output. Given that most stuff nowadays is more power efficient (3700X is 65W AMD TDP, so generally lower than Intel's) and a 2070 Super is 215W, pretty much nobody needs more than a 550W PSU. As for GPU upgrades, definitely always worth upgrading a GPU to what you want to do in the future. A 5700 or 5700XT is pretty overkill for 1920x1080 gaming, even at 144hz but if you have the money, it's a pretty linear improvement in FPS from lower end cards. I recommend comparing cards here: https://www.anandtech.com/bench/GPU19/2638 As far as blizzard games go, I don't recall any review sites benchmarking those games. They'd generally still follow the price curve as set out now though. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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How far off are monitors with the latest ports/standards? I'm seeing a lot of HDMI 1.4 or Displayport 1.2 when searching for a decent monitor. I've found several but as with above, they either have HDMI or DP (hardly ever both at a low enough price) and VGA. While the exact port isn't an issue, I'd like the flexibility if possible. | ||
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Craton
United States17246 Posts
HDMI 1.4 isn't great; it can only handle 1080p up to 120hz but it's common because most people don't go higher than 60. Specifically it's 4096 × 2160 at 24 Hz, 3840 × 2160 at 24, 25, and 30 Hz, and 1920 × 1080 at 120 Hz per wikipedia. DisplayPort 1.2 can handle 4k at 60hz, so unless you've got some crazy rig that can do 4k above that (unlikely) there's not a lot gained by the newer specs. VGA is mostly gone these days. It pretty much maxes out near 1080p60. That said, it's the graphics card ports you should be looking at, not the monitors. Adapters are pretty inexpensive. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
8978 Posts
On October 05 2019 05:44 Craton wrote: I'm not sure what you're asking. When are there going to be monitors that have both HDMI and DisplayPort? I wouldn't expect that to be changing at all. HDMI 1.4 isn't great; it can only handle 1080p up to 120hz but it's common because most people don't go higher than 60. Specifically it's 4096 × 2160 at 24 Hz, 3840 × 2160 at 24, 25, and 30 Hz, and 1920 × 1080 at 120 Hz per wikipedia. DisplayPort 1.2 can handle 4k at 60hz, so unless you've got some crazy rig that can do 4k above that (unlikely) there's not a lot gained by the newer specs. VGA is mostly gone these days. It pretty much maxes out near 1080p60. That said, it's the graphics card ports you should be looking at, not the monitors. Adapters are pretty inexpensive. My gfx card has the ports. The monitors are what I'm trying to suss out. I'd prefer DisplayPort over HDMI if it isn't HDMI 2.0. I found some AOC, ASUS, and Dell monitors but I just wanted to confirm before leaping. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6213 Posts
The lg 27" monitor has easily enough bandwidth to handle 144hz wqhd at 10bpp https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/lg_27gl850.htm#specs It's not really a problem, the interfaces are there, manufacturers will put the ports required to use the monitor properly. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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ZerOCoolSC2
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Build 2 Edit: Got it working. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6213 Posts
That motherboard doesn't have BIOS flashback, and it doesn't seem to be compatible right off the bat so you'd run into issues. See: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d9_E3h8bLp-TXr-0zTJFqqVxdCR9daIVNyMatydkpFA/edit#gid=611478281 It's generally cheaper to get a 1TB SSD right off the bat than to get a fast 500 and a slow 500. It's also much less hassle (You get the same results with a partition if you really want two drives) You could consider a 16gb of DDR4 3600 CL16 memory - https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232880 for slightly better performance - it's well worth it on the price/performance scale. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
8978 Posts
On October 09 2019 06:51 Lmui wrote: Some comments on your build: That motherboard doesn't have BIOS flashback, and it doesn't seem to be compatible right off the bat so you'd run into issues. See: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d9_E3h8bLp-TXr-0zTJFqqVxdCR9daIVNyMatydkpFA/edit#gid=611478281 It's generally cheaper to get a 1TB SSD right off the bat than to get a fast 500 and a slow 500. It's also much less hassle (You get the same results with a partition if you really want two drives) You could consider a 16gb of DDR4 3600 CL16 memory - https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232880 for slightly better performance - it's well worth it on the price/performance scale. That's pretty much the build you suggested before with a few alterations. I've already got all of the parts, so a little to late to change now. I'll make do with what I have until I need to increase the space. I've got all of the software I need to fix that issue. Everything loads and is being read at the moment. Will have more information later tonight hopefully. Update: Installing everything right now. No issues so far. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6213 Posts
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bt
United States24 Posts
I think I saw 8 cores running fortnite with at least 200 frames steady on max settings with a 1070? since I have the 1070 which would be fine for the 1920x1080 144hz with fortnite. Now I was thinking about doing a 6 core build to save some money and get closer to optimal performance for the system. I built a 4790k @4.7 with a 970 for SCII and it ran 1920x1080 144hz without an issue. Now I looked at a 7900X and I thought wow, with this many cores I should build what is optimal for fortnite. I am sure this can also fit the bill of a cheap upgrade for cores+core speed in SCII. The 4 core builds just don't work - I think I had 1866 C9 ram? with the 970 and even on my current system of 4690k+1070 I can barely maintain a consistent 75 fps. What options do I have? 8700k? 7700k? As we can see a 8700k@5.0ghz/4000mhz RAM - would that be possible with 8700k@4.3-4.7 ghz/3200mhz RAM? Then we have some similar settings except 1 would not be epic and 4.2ghz with 2333mhz ram.... so this is closer to what most people would be running. At the most basic level just to run fortnite on epic view distance/everything else low aka "competitive settings" this is very close but would 2 more cores/1000mhz of ram on top of that be worth the price? AMD/Intel 6 core just aren't cutting it in the videos i've watched. AMD even worse because it doesn't have the clock speed to hold the frames consistently above 120. And if the 9700k with 8 cores has less L2/L3 does that matter for gaming? Because comparing the 4690k/4790k they literally overclocked the same and performed the same even with no HT/less L2 for the 4690k. Because we can consider two builds: 9600k vengeance 3200mhz asus z390/GIGABYTE Z390 Price: ~700, may or may not run 144hz 9900k tridentZ 3200mhz rog xi extreme/msi godlike Price: ~1400 will run 144hz | ||
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MeSaber
Sweden1235 Posts
You can save $300 there. Sell the 1070. Buy a new gpu that can achieve more for less. 9900k + 1070 is wrong combo. If you are willing to dish out ~$1500 just for an upgrade (not gpu) i would totally consider this: 2080Ti $1000 9900k $500 Aorus Master £300 Thats $1800 for one of the best gaming pcs possible. So save 2 more months worth of cash to get a better budget and make the proper upgrade. If 144hz is that necessary and you are definitely into competitive gaming (which it feels like you are if you want cpu+mobo for $1400 w/o better gpu). I would also add Kraken X62 if its possible for your chassi size with thermal grizzly kryonaut paste to keep that 9900k cooler (ive had a hard time taming it properly without it on 5GHz). | ||
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bt
United States24 Posts
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MeSaber
Sweden1235 Posts
If you are ok with dips to 100 fps then it would be good enough. IMO. This video shows "ultra + low". From what i can see it seems to still dip down below 100 fps from time to time even on low settings. In the end i think it matters how picky you are here. From what i can tell Fortnite isnt a cpu-hog by any means. Running a 3600 @ 50% load. Non-OC'd (auto oc). | ||
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bt
United States24 Posts
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