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MeSaber

Sweden206 Posts

September 12 2019 11:55 GMT

#14001

SC2 is known for its heavy CPU usage.. It does however (afaik) only run on 2 cores multithreaded but the G3258 is surely showing some age compared to newer CPUs.

G3258 is most likely your bottleneck here.

Tried some other games and checked cpu/gpu load?

Install MSI Afterburner or equivalent to get numbers in-game while playing.

Cyro

United Kingdom19758 Posts

September 12 2019 15:24 GMT

#14002

On September 12 2019 12:56 Avaroth wrote:
I have a question related to FPS in SC2 (and I guess other games too). I'm currently running a G3258 CPU overclocked to 4,4Ghz with an AMD HD7950 GPU on a standard 1080p monitor.

I'm planning to upgrade everything eventually, but I really want two monitors so looking to buy a Dell S2719DGF 1440p monitor.

Now the actual question. With my current setup in late game 200vs200 supply fights I'm seeing pretty noticeable FPS drops, down to 20ish at times. Will I see even worse FPS on 1440p resolution or is that all on the GPU, which I guess even the old HD7950 should be able to handle especially with the medium/low settings I'm running?

Thank you in advance for helping!

I'd expect the FPS in those kinds of situations to be the same, yeah, but both the CPU and GPU will hold you back when trying to hit good framerates on a variety of other games.

Cyro

United Kingdom19758 Posts

September 12 2019 17:38 GMT

#14003

2-6% 3900x performance increases in the games benchmarked with new AGESA to improve boosting behavior, minimal if any voltage changes

Avaroth

Finland39 Posts

September 13 2019 02:31 GMT

#14004

On September 13 2019 00:24 Cyro wrote:

Show nested quote +

I'd expect the FPS in those kinds of situations to be the same, yeah, but both the CPU and GPU will hold you back when trying to hit good framerates on a variety of other games.

Thanks. Yeah, that's what I figured as well. Other games it's definitely more noticeable, but I mostly just play SC2 so I've been holding out on upgrading. The most demanding game I've ran is GTA V and it ran pretty well. Wanting to check out Control but that would be tough to run most likely.

Yesterday I found a weird issue with my OC. For some reason every time I restart PC from Windows, the OC settings go back to the stock 3,2Ghz. Shutting down and turning it on again, it will remain at 4,4Ghz. No idea why this is happening, but I think the 20ish FPS scenario was in fact at the stock 3,2Ghz. Overclocking is through BIOS, and the settings in BIOS remain at 4,4Ghz in all scenarios. If I visit bios after PC restart, the overclock also stays on.

Eversince

Philippines1916 Posts

September 13 2019 06:45 GMT

#14005

Heya friends, I ran into a problem. I build a new computer with advice from here and it was working great. I went out to work and the PC was running fine when I left, I got back and it got no signal to the monitor. (not blue screen just no signal.) I was thinking ok, so bad cable, test another cable, still problem. I change the video card to another slot... I feel really stupid right after doing this, because I notice right after I try to boot again, there's no freaking post! I've asked a friend and googled around but I've done about everything I know how to do. I completely tore apart the machine and rebuild it to make sure everything was seated correctly. I went ahead and checked each memory stick by itself in each slot. I reseated the CPU (but I don't have any glue so that could possibly be a problem but I'm not thinking so). I checked all the cables and haven't found anything. I disconnected the harddrives, video card, pulled the ram and all peripherals actually. still won't even post. At this point I'm thinking the motherboard is just trash. I'm pretty annoyed because I literally built this thing about 2 months ago. Any idea's I could test? Or else I'm just needing to buy another motherboard?

Simberto

Germany7905 Posts

September 13 2019 09:12 GMT

#14006

The first thing you should do, before taking everything apart and rebuilding, is looking at beep codes. Get a 1$ piezo speaker, attach it to the beep code slot of your mainboard, and see if there is a beep code. These usually tell you enough to narrow down what the problem might be.

Eversince

Philippines1916 Posts

September 13 2019 09:19 GMT

#14007

On September 13 2019 18:12 Simberto wrote:
The first thing you should do, before taking everything apart and rebuilding, is looking at beep codes. Get a 1$ piezo speaker, attach it to the beep code slot of your mainboard, and see if there is a beep code.These usually tell you enough to narrow down what the problem might be.

I tried beforehand with my speakers, bios shout post without them any but 'hey just incase'! I get no post. everything powers on but nothing loads.

Simberto

Germany7905 Posts

September 13 2019 09:21 GMT

#14008

I don't quite understand what you mean when you say "i get no post".

deacon.frost

Czech Republic9460 Posts

September 13 2019 11:46 GMT

#14009

On September 13 2019 18:21 Simberto wrote:
I don't quite understand what you mean when you say "i get no post".

Power On Self Test?

The thingy that's BIOS trying to do when the PC is starting and based on what the beeps are made? Not sure, I haven't touched HW side of things for years now, so my knowledge is ancient.

Edit> PSU is fine? If there's not enough power for CPU then the fans would run and LEDs would be blinking, but the CPU wouldn't be running and without CPU no POST? (again, I haven't touched the HW for ages, maybe the new mobos can run it without CPU)

Eversince

Philippines1916 Posts

September 13 2019 12:49 GMT

#14010

Yes. When you boot your motherboard pings. this is an audible noise from a speaker usually on the mobo itself (like this case). It will chirp different codes for different problems (IE: oh, heya friend, I don't recognize that ram!) but I just get nothing

!

I've got a 850w power supply that I reused in place. Which is way more then everything in my build will ever need. Everything boots, fan kick on, it will black screen the monitor if I unplug/ go back to blue 'no signal' if I reset to hdmi. I took some canned air and dusted everything, made sure everything was seated correctly, video card is back in it's original slot, it just doesn't make it past the point of power. I hit the switch -> everything powers on -> no post -> wtf?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2Xys9J This was the build I basically went with I reused some older parts but it's mostly the exact build that I have.

Simberto

Germany7905 Posts

September 13 2019 13:21 GMT

#14011

Ah, sorry, i only knew the term "beep code" for those. No beep code would mean that something really early on goes bad, so i would guess it could be a problem with the motherboard itself? But i think i might be out of my depth here.

Some more ideas i have:

Your motherboard does have a "bad processor" beep code, so if that were the problem, it should give you some response.

I assume you also tested without any ram in it? Or just the motherboard with nothing attached to it at all? If you don't get a beep code then, in my opinion that would mean that your motherboard is the problem.

Eversince

Philippines1916 Posts

September 13 2019 16:26 GMT

#14012

Yeah, I started by moving the video card, then when I realize I'm not getting post I really started trouble shooting. I ran each of my ram sticks in each slot, tried with none at all, disconnected the hard drives and tried again with/without ram. Then reseated the cpu (just to check) and still same problem. Sounding mostly I just got bad motherbaord :/...

Simberto

Germany7905 Posts

September 13 2019 17:32 GMT

#14013

But if you just built the PC a few months ago, the motherboard should still be under warranty. So the solution is probably to send the MB back and get it replaced.

Eversince

Philippines1916 Posts

September 14 2019 01:54 GMT

#14014

@Simberto
Yeah, I already send a email to them so just waiting game to send back forth. I wanted to cover possibilities... I put together some old parts to make something run for now so bleh, It's old, it's slow, but it ironically works while my modern doesn't t.t!

[edit] that sounded harsher then meant. I get it sometimes things just show up faulty. I'm just annoyed because it happened to me xP!

Craton

United States12048 Posts

September 14 2019 18:36 GMT

#14015

I had that issue once with a CPU that wasn't supported by the motherboard without flashing the BIOS to a later version.

Zambrah

United States4543 Posts

September 20 2019 08:20 GMT

#14016

I've been looking into a Mini ITX solution for portability and power, but I'm pretty unfamiliar with the intricacies of what parts will work for Mini ITX compared to standard ATX.

An example high end build I've seen is:
CPU - i9.9900K
Motherboard - Gigabyte Z390 AORUS Pro WiFi
RAM - Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro DDR4 3200, 32GB
GPU - ZOTAC Gaming GeForce RTX 2080ti Twin Fan 11GB
SSD - XPG SX8200 Pro 1TB NVMe
Case - NZXT H200i Mini ITX
PSU - Seasonic SSR 850PX
CPU Cooler - NZXT Kraken M22 120mm

I don't need the full 2080ti, the primary things the GPU is going yo be responsible for is Maya's viewport and Substance Painter, both important but I shouldn't seriously need that much power to make them be lag free most of the time. That being said my current GTX1060 gets too much lag for me to comfortable with and in some cases makes the program notably less functional than I need it to be, so I'd he looking for the 2070 range or higher for sure.

In the article I ripped these specs from it mentions needing a two slot GPU for the Mini ITX form factor, and I'm not firmly aware of the best way to filter that sort of thing for hardware.

Stronger than CPU the better though, and I don't mind dropping cash on good parts.

Does anyone have any recommendations for this build or just choosing parts for a Mini ITX build with a high quality GPU and CPU?

United States24 Posts

September 21 2019 04:24 GMT

#14017

From what I understand the bigger more powerful cards extend just past 2 gpu slots - I don't have any but I read that they don't fit like a standard card. 2080ti/titan rtx type of cards but the lower scale cards are models of the x80 class so you can expect them to fit in at 2 gpu slots. Ram is a good choice. As far as micro itx I haven't had one of those either but judging by the i/o locations on asus and gigabyte boards most ofthe sacrifices will be usb/rgb/fanheader/sata/pci slot? Nothing you won't miss with a single gpu setup.

ZerOCoolSC2

6457 Posts

September 21 2019 07:27 GMT

#14018

Anyone have any good recs for monitors? They need to be as color accurate as possible but fairly affordable. I think Dell has some good ones out there.

United States24 Posts

September 21 2019 23:30 GMT

#14019

asus vg248? benq 2411?

ZerOCoolSC2

6457 Posts

September 21 2019 23:35 GMT

#14020

Asus looks good. I don't really care too much about the gaming part of it, because I'll be using it for multimedia purposes, but if I can get the colors I need when rendering/post processing, then it works for me. Thanks.