• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 02:29
CET 08:29
KST 16:29
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win0Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175Evil Geniuses - shutting down23ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier7Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1
StarCraft 2
General
No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? [D] Hacker peak in sc2 ? Liquibets sc2 season 30 Evil Geniuses - shutting down Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win
Tourneys
SC4ALL: II Venue Change Announcement! Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV Mondays ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps Starcraft 2 Advance [D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers
External Content
Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles Mutation # 548 Shining Bright
Brood War
General
Rollback Netcode in Brood War List of top players active on ShieldBattery [Megathread] Daily Funny Videos BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
Strategy
50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stratus: Battle for the sky now on steam Early acc Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Deus Ex 3!?
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread Dating: How's your luck?
Fan Clubs
Fan Club Resource Thread Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7973 users

Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread - Page 660

Forum Index > Tech Support
Post a Reply
Prev 1 658 659 660 661 662 746 Next
When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-05 21:49:03
October 05 2017 21:12 GMT
#13181
On October 06 2017 05:35 andrewlt wrote:
On the RAM thing, I've read in a few places that you don't get much benefit in having RAM faster than the 2666 MHz that is recommended for Coffee Lake. Is that not true? Assume the pc will last longer than 5 years and will need to play games then.


Most reviewers have been testing CPU and RAM performance poorly for as long as i've been around, RAM speeds up to as fast as you can get have had significant impacts in some games for the whole time and especially now.

The main thing is just that the cost starts to rise too much past a certain point but that's at a pretty fast speed, you should always get 3000mhz+ for gaming if the CPU can run it and 3466, 3600 is worth a look at, more if you want to push performance.

A good fraction of games don't have any meaningful scaling but some great or hugely popular games (SC2, Witcher 3, GTA5 quick examples) will give you +15% or even +30% FPS when swapping from 2133c15 to 3466c16 with CPU limited settings/config which is huge because those gains are in an area where performance gains are very difficult or even impossible to get otherwise
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
October 05 2017 22:51 GMT
#13182
SC2 is kinda different from Witcher 3 and GTA5. Is there a common thread between the games that get meaningful impact (graphics intensive, lots of background calculations like WoW, lots of AI thinking like turn-based strategy)?
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-05 23:42:48
October 05 2017 23:39 GMT
#13183
Some engines just spend a lot of time waiting on RAM transfers and others don't, even among the same genres. System RAM is generally a CPU performance augmenter though so it shows up when CPU limited rather than graphically limited

--

some talk about the automatic overclocking/overvolting thing that a lot of reviewers turn on by accident or don't understand the effects of
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24505 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-06 02:56:20
October 06 2017 00:38 GMT
#13184
On October 06 2017 08:39 Cyro wrote:
Some engines just spend a lot of time waiting on RAM transfers and others don't, even among the same genres. System RAM is generally a CPU performance augmenter though so it shows up when CPU limited rather than graphically limited

--

some talk about the automatic overclocking/overvolting thing that a lot of reviewers turn on by accident or don't understand the effects of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFbUeFU-oOY&t=10m28s


I love how unironically he says "It's up to us as members of the PC Master Race" (16:06) Sounds like a line ripped directly out of the console wars version of Starship Troopers.

That's interesting to know though as I've been recently messing around with overclocking since I'm on a 2500k with old ram and a 1070. What kinda price range would I be looking at if I wanted to upgrade my 2500k and sabertooth mobo with 1600mhz ram with a comparable jump from my 560gtx ti to the 1070 if/when I'm unsatisfied with my overclocking?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
October 06 2017 01:56 GMT
#13185
I'm gonna be building a couch co-op machine, using my current rig's gtx 770, and upgrading that to something else. The highest demanding game I'm gonna be running is probably Rocket League. No real budget, but trying to keep it as cheap as possible.

So questions:

Get i3-8100 when it comes out? Spec wise, it seems like an insanely good budget CPU, waiting on benchmarks.

For my main rig, I'm running an i5-4770k and I'm upgrading the graphics card. My 770 fits all my needs currently, but if I were to be a little futureproof, should I go for gtx 1060 or 1070, or something else? My monitor resolution is 1980x1080.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-07 00:25:15
October 06 2017 13:58 GMT
#13186
I love how unironically he says "It's up to us as members of the PC Master Race" (16:06) Sounds like a line ripped directly out of the console wars version of Starship Troopers.


Haha yeah :D

That's interesting to know though as I've been recently messing around with overclocking since I'm on a 2500k with old ram and a 1070. What kinda price range would I be looking at if I wanted to upgrade my 2500k and sabertooth mobo with 1600mhz ram with a comparable jump from my 560gtx ti to the 1070 if/when I'm unsatisfied with my overclocking?


You mean upgrading the CPU+RAM+Mobo? where would you be buying from? CPU's have not been advancing as quickly as GPU's for the last 6 years but a modern equivelant of the 2500k would be an 8600k (i5 6c6t) with the fastest RAM that isn't too much more expensive than baseline ~3000mhz stuff. That would be about double the multithreaded performance and a big boost to RAM sensitive games but a smaller relative gain for singlethreaded performance, still the best available there


-----------


Get i3-8100 when it comes out? Spec wise, it seems like an insanely good budget CPU, waiting on benchmarks.


Does look good, the unlocked i3 is legit as well - costs a lot more but can clock to the 5ghz range instead of a locked 3.6ghz without turbo since intel does not enable turbo boost on i3's. That unlocking buys a very easy +30% frequency, maybe more than +40% (4.68 and 5.04ghz) and it lets you use RAM around 3200+ instead of 2666 if it's affordable. If you want performance than that seems a good option, if you don't then the much cheaper locked CPU sounds fine (but i'l have to find a lot more performance and perf/dollar comparisons :D)

https://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1768?vs=1771
https://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1768?vs=1731
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9111 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-06 15:53:35
October 06 2017 15:44 GMT
#13187
I'm looking for a laptop with...

-14" screen, not too heavy
-SSD, 128 gb minimun, preferably larger
-decent video card, ie: 1050 or maybe a bit worse

Does such a thing exist for $1k max? Lots of nice deals on 15.6" but way less selection for 14". I live in Kansas City so I have a nearby microcenter.

Also, i need to make the purchase in the next 10 days. (Slickdeals alerts are on!)
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24505 Posts
October 06 2017 23:26 GMT
#13188
On October 06 2017 22:58 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
I love how unironically he says "It's up to us as members of the PC Master Race" (16:06) Sounds like a line ripped directly out of the console wars version of Starship Troopers.


Haha yeah :D

Show nested quote +
That's interesting to know though as I've been recently messing around with overclocking since I'm on a 2500k with old ram and a 1070. What kinda price range would I be looking at if I wanted to upgrade my 2500k and sabertooth mobo with 1600mhz ram with a comparable jump from my 560gtx ti to the 1070 if/when I'm unsatisfied with my overclocking?


You mean upgrading the CPU+RAM+Mobo? where would you be buying from? CPU's have not been advancing as quickly as GPU's for the last 6 years but a modern equivelant of the 2500k would be an 8600k (i5 6c6t) with the fastest RAM that isn't too much more expensive than baseline ~3000mhz stuff. That would be about double the multithreaded performance and a big boost to RAM sensitive games but a smaller relative gain for singlethreaded performance, still the best available there


-----------



Yeah CPU+RAM+Mobo, buying in the US. Sounds like the performance boost I'd like just wondering a ballpark of how much money I'll need to set aside. I'm able to keep up on procs and vid cards, but no idea what a comparable motherboard would be.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9111 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-07 14:05:51
October 07 2017 14:02 GMT
#13189
I'm thinking about buying this, anyone think it's a bad idea? Seems like a good deal after taking into account the scarcity of lower priced 14" form factor laptops that have a dedicated gpu.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834316241

edit: Just realized it doesn't have an ethernet port. Wish it did, but still not a deal breaker I think.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
October 07 2017 21:05 GMT
#13190
You can get a USB adapter for ethernet. They're like $5-10.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9111 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-07 23:14:19
October 07 2017 21:20 GMT
#13191
Ah good point. I guess thru usb 3 the speeds wouldn't really be bottle necked either. I'm no longer set on 14" and might consider 15.6" though so that opens up some more options.

edit in response to below: ah didn't realize that, thanks for the link

And, if anyone has opinions either way between these two options please feel free to chime in.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834316241&ignorebbr=1

vs.

http://www.microcenter.com/product/481826/Inspiron_15_5577_156"_Gaming_Laptop_Computer_-_Black;_Intel_Core_i5-7300HQ_Processor_25GHz;_NVIDIA_GeForce_GTX_1050_4GB_GDDR5;_8GB_DDR4-2400_RAM;_256G
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
October 07 2017 22:09 GMT
#13192
Shouldn't be an issue even on USB 2. https://superuser.com/a/995350
twitch.tv/cratonz
EngrishTeacher
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Canada1109 Posts
October 08 2017 02:54 GMT
#13193
On October 08 2017 06:20 Jonoman92 wrote:
Ah good point. I guess thru usb 3 the speeds wouldn't really be bottle necked either. I'm no longer set on 14" and might consider 15.6" though so that opens up some more options.

edit in response to below: ah didn't realize that, thanks for the link

And, if anyone has opinions either way between these two options please feel free to chime in.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834316241&ignorebbr=1

vs.

http://www.microcenter.com/product/481826/Inspiron_15_5577_156"_Gaming_Laptop_Computer_-_Black;_Intel_Core_i5-7300HQ_Processor_25GHz;_NVIDIA_GeForce_GTX_1050_4GB_GDDR5;_8GB_DDR4-2400_RAM;_256G


I would strongly advise against the Acer swift 14" laptop if you're into any sort of real gaming. The MX150 graphics card is basically a 1030, which is sufficient for esports titles but not really anything else (unless you're ok with playing at low-medium settings at 720p at ~30-50 fps).

Look into some lightweight 15.6" laptops if form factors is still a concern.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
October 08 2017 22:11 GMT
#13194
Try clevo barebone sellers if you want 1050. Here's a quick example from google: http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np5855-clevo-n855hj.html

They also do 14" as well.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
October 12 2017 00:57 GMT
#13195


some of the auto overclocking drama, apparently it was even default on for some boards this time
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3176 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-13 06:57:30
October 13 2017 06:53 GMT
#13196
Hi,

I'm thinking about getting a UPS. I used http://www.csgnetwork.com/upssizecalc.html to do the calculation (could someone confirm if this site is valid or if there is a better one?). I'd like to connect my PC, Monitor and Router. The PC has a power supply of 550 watt, monitor says it needs 1.5A and so is the router. So the minimum is 1121VA and recommendation is 1750VA. Could someone let me know if this is correct for such setup? Would 1250VA or 1500VA UPS be sufficient?

Edit: I'm expecting the UPS to hold for about 30-60 minutes during power outage.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-13 10:28:19
October 13 2017 08:59 GMT
#13197
The PC has a power supply of 550 watt


Doesn't mean that it consumes 550 watts, many systems use a small fraction of the max rating on PSU. What is the parts list?

monitor says it needs 1.5A and so is the router.


1.5A of what? That's probably ~12v from their own power supplies (so 18 watts) and not wall voltage (commonly 110-240v which would be 165-360w). My screen spec says "under 65 watts" of power usage but it's actually ~17.5w at a sane calibration as measured by review sites

With some of the values that i'd expect for power i'm getting numbers several times lower than you on that calculator
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12078 Posts
October 13 2017 10:06 GMT
#13198
Yeah. The thing you need to realize is that VA is the same as W. So if you want to figure out how many VAs you need, just look at how much W your setup currently consumes, and put up a bit of a premium.

Check your computer setup with an onlines thingy that tells you what kind of PSU you need, not what you currently have. Monitor is probably less than 50W unless it is something gigantic, your router is probably below 20W unless once again it is something silly, So even with a conservative approach, taking your PC PSU as a basis and adding another 100W for good measures, you would need about 750W=750VA at most for the whole setup.
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3176 Posts
October 13 2017 13:09 GMT
#13199
Thanks guys.

The monitor says 1.5A of 100-240V(AC). My power source is 220V AC. Router is 1.5A of 12V.

Lets say I get 1200VA UPS. How can I know how long will the UPS last before it powers off?
Archangelsc2l
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Bulgaria24 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-13 16:48:41
October 13 2017 16:41 GMT
#13200
Hey guys I want to do an upgrade to my current system:
Intel Core i5-4460, 3300 MHz
Gigabyte GA-B85M-D2V
Nvidia GTX 950 (2GB)
FPS hexa+ 500w
RAM DDR3 8GB @1333mhz
SSD TOSHIBA Q300
my goal is to stream SC2 at least 720p@60fps or using the NVENC encoder at more ?
I am thinking about the i5-7600k but I will need a mobo and a cooler and that's about my budget 350-400€. Also I am not sure if intel is the correct choice right now or to get a ryzen. When I asked in a national(bulgarian) forum offer to get the INTEL CORE i3-8350K + ASROCK Z370 is this a solid choice or is there something better?
gm [T] streamer: www.twitch.tv/wanderersc2
Prev 1 658 659 660 661 662 746 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 3h 31m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 7640
Shuttle 1053
Mong 156
HiyA 64
Sacsri 63
scan(afreeca) 60
ZergMaN 40
Bale 27
Larva 21
Britney 0
Dota 2
ODPixel109
Counter-Strike
fl0m2794
Other Games
summit1g11951
JimRising 539
WinterStarcraft386
XaKoH 363
Fuzer 68
NeuroSwarm61
ViBE54
amsayoshi10
Railgan3
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL72
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 35
[ Show 11 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• ChaeLyn 6
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2216
League of Legends
• Stunt608
Upcoming Events
IntoTheTV X SOOP
3h 31m
herO vs Solar
MaxPax vs SHIN
IPSL
9h 31m
Azhi_Dahaki vs ggnore13
Double vs WIZARD
BSL
12h 31m
Cross vs Puma
Artosis vs Spine
Replay Cast
15h 31m
Replay Cast
1d 15h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
YoungYakov vs Lambo
SHIN vs TBD
Percival vs Shameless
Solar vs TBD
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
The PondCast
4 days
KCM Race Survival
4 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
IPSL
6 days
TerrOr vs IJ_Terran
rasowy vs Hazorath
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-11-05
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
Calamity Cup Div. A Season 8
IEM Beijing 2026
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026

Upcoming

Sector 951
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Underdog Cup 2026 Div 2-3
PGL Bucharest 2027
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.