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On October 06 2017 05:35 andrewlt wrote: On the RAM thing, I've read in a few places that you don't get much benefit in having RAM faster than the 2666 MHz that is recommended for Coffee Lake. Is that not true? Assume the pc will last longer than 5 years and will need to play games then.
Most reviewers have been testing CPU and RAM performance poorly for as long as i've been around, RAM speeds up to as fast as you can get have had significant impacts in some games for the whole time and especially now.
The main thing is just that the cost starts to rise too much past a certain point but that's at a pretty fast speed, you should always get 3000mhz+ for gaming if the CPU can run it and 3466, 3600 is worth a look at, more if you want to push performance.
A good fraction of games don't have any meaningful scaling but some great or hugely popular games (SC2, Witcher 3, GTA5 quick examples) will give you +15% or even +30% FPS when swapping from 2133c15 to 3466c16 with CPU limited settings/config which is huge because those gains are in an area where performance gains are very difficult or even impossible to get otherwise
SC2 is kinda different from Witcher 3 and GTA5. Is there a common thread between the games that get meaningful impact (graphics intensive, lots of background calculations like WoW, lots of AI thinking like turn-based strategy)?
Some engines just spend a lot of time waiting on RAM transfers and others don't, even among the same genres. System RAM is generally a CPU performance augmenter though so it shows up when CPU limited rather than graphically limited
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some talk about the automatic overclocking/overvolting thing that a lot of reviewers turn on by accident or don't understand the effects of
On October 06 2017 08:39 Cyro wrote: Some engines just spend a lot of time waiting on RAM transfers and others don't, even among the same genres. System RAM is generally a CPU performance augmenter though so it shows up when CPU limited rather than graphically limited
I love how unironically he says "It's up to us as members of the PC Master Race" (16:06) Sounds like a line ripped directly out of the console wars version of Starship Troopers.
That's interesting to know though as I've been recently messing around with overclocking since I'm on a 2500k with old ram and a 1070. What kinda price range would I be looking at if I wanted to upgrade my 2500k and sabertooth mobo with 1600mhz ram with a comparable jump from my 560gtx ti to the 1070 if/when I'm unsatisfied with my overclocking?
I'm gonna be building a couch co-op machine, using my current rig's gtx 770, and upgrading that to something else. The highest demanding game I'm gonna be running is probably Rocket League. No real budget, but trying to keep it as cheap as possible.
So questions:
Get i3-8100 when it comes out? Spec wise, it seems like an insanely good budget CPU, waiting on benchmarks.
For my main rig, I'm running an i5-4770k and I'm upgrading the graphics card. My 770 fits all my needs currently, but if I were to be a little futureproof, should I go for gtx 1060 or 1070, or something else? My monitor resolution is 1980x1080.
I love how unironically he says "It's up to us as members of the PC Master Race" (16:06) Sounds like a line ripped directly out of the console wars version of Starship Troopers.
Haha yeah :D
That's interesting to know though as I've been recently messing around with overclocking since I'm on a 2500k with old ram and a 1070. What kinda price range would I be looking at if I wanted to upgrade my 2500k and sabertooth mobo with 1600mhz ram with a comparable jump from my 560gtx ti to the 1070 if/when I'm unsatisfied with my overclocking?
You mean upgrading the CPU+RAM+Mobo? where would you be buying from? CPU's have not been advancing as quickly as GPU's for the last 6 years but a modern equivelant of the 2500k would be an 8600k (i5 6c6t) with the fastest RAM that isn't too much more expensive than baseline ~3000mhz stuff. That would be about double the multithreaded performance and a big boost to RAM sensitive games but a smaller relative gain for singlethreaded performance, still the best available there
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Get i3-8100 when it comes out? Spec wise, it seems like an insanely good budget CPU, waiting on benchmarks.
Does look good, the unlocked i3 is legit as well - costs a lot more but can clock to the 5ghz range instead of a locked 3.6ghz without turbo since intel does not enable turbo boost on i3's. That unlocking buys a very easy +30% frequency, maybe more than +40% (4.68 and 5.04ghz) and it lets you use RAM around 3200+ instead of 2666 if it's affordable. If you want performance than that seems a good option, if you don't then the much cheaper locked CPU sounds fine (but i'l have to find a lot more performance and perf/dollar comparisons :D)
I love how unironically he says "It's up to us as members of the PC Master Race" (16:06) Sounds like a line ripped directly out of the console wars version of Starship Troopers.
That's interesting to know though as I've been recently messing around with overclocking since I'm on a 2500k with old ram and a 1070. What kinda price range would I be looking at if I wanted to upgrade my 2500k and sabertooth mobo with 1600mhz ram with a comparable jump from my 560gtx ti to the 1070 if/when I'm unsatisfied with my overclocking?
You mean upgrading the CPU+RAM+Mobo? where would you be buying from? CPU's have not been advancing as quickly as GPU's for the last 6 years but a modern equivelant of the 2500k would be an 8600k (i5 6c6t) with the fastest RAM that isn't too much more expensive than baseline ~3000mhz stuff. That would be about double the multithreaded performance and a big boost to RAM sensitive games but a smaller relative gain for singlethreaded performance, still the best available there
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Yeah CPU+RAM+Mobo, buying in the US. Sounds like the performance boost I'd like just wondering a ballpark of how much money I'll need to set aside. I'm able to keep up on procs and vid cards, but no idea what a comparable motherboard would be.
I'm thinking about buying this, anyone think it's a bad idea? Seems like a good deal after taking into account the scarcity of lower priced 14" form factor laptops that have a dedicated gpu.
Ah good point. I guess thru usb 3 the speeds wouldn't really be bottle necked either. I'm no longer set on 14" and might consider 15.6" though so that opens up some more options.
edit in response to below: ah didn't realize that, thanks for the link
And, if anyone has opinions either way between these two options please feel free to chime in.
On October 08 2017 06:20 Jonoman92 wrote: Ah good point. I guess thru usb 3 the speeds wouldn't really be bottle necked either. I'm no longer set on 14" and might consider 15.6" though so that opens up some more options.
edit in response to below: ah didn't realize that, thanks for the link
And, if anyone has opinions either way between these two options please feel free to chime in.
I would strongly advise against the Acer swift 14" laptop if you're into any sort of real gaming. The MX150 graphics card is basically a 1030, which is sufficient for esports titles but not really anything else (unless you're ok with playing at low-medium settings at 720p at ~30-50 fps).
Look into some lightweight 15.6" laptops if form factors is still a concern.
I'm thinking about getting a UPS. I used http://www.csgnetwork.com/upssizecalc.html to do the calculation (could someone confirm if this site is valid or if there is a better one?). I'd like to connect my PC, Monitor and Router. The PC has a power supply of 550 watt, monitor says it needs 1.5A and so is the router. So the minimum is 1121VA and recommendation is 1750VA. Could someone let me know if this is correct for such setup? Would 1250VA or 1500VA UPS be sufficient?
Edit: I'm expecting the UPS to hold for about 30-60 minutes during power outage.
Doesn't mean that it consumes 550 watts, many systems use a small fraction of the max rating on PSU. What is the parts list?
monitor says it needs 1.5A and so is the router.
1.5A of what? That's probably ~12v from their own power supplies (so 18 watts) and not wall voltage (commonly 110-240v which would be 165-360w). My screen spec says "under 65 watts" of power usage but it's actually ~17.5w at a sane calibration as measured by review sites
With some of the values that i'd expect for power i'm getting numbers several times lower than you on that calculator
Yeah. The thing you need to realize is that VA is the same as W. So if you want to figure out how many VAs you need, just look at how much W your setup currently consumes, and put up a bit of a premium.
Check your computer setup with an onlines thingy that tells you what kind of PSU you need, not what you currently have. Monitor is probably less than 50W unless it is something gigantic, your router is probably below 20W unless once again it is something silly, So even with a conservative approach, taking your PC PSU as a basis and adding another 100W for good measures, you would need about 750W=750VA at most for the whole setup.
Hey guys I want to do an upgrade to my current system: Intel Core i5-4460, 3300 MHz Gigabyte GA-B85M-D2V Nvidia GTX 950 (2GB) FPS hexa+ 500w RAM DDR3 8GB @1333mhz SSD TOSHIBA Q300 my goal is to stream SC2 at least 720p@60fps or using the NVENC encoder at more ? I am thinking about the i5-7600k but I will need a mobo and a cooler and that's about my budget 350-400€. Also I am not sure if intel is the correct choice right now or to get a ryzen. When I asked in a national(bulgarian) forum offer to get the INTEL CORE i3-8350K + ASROCK Z370 is this a solid choice or is there something better?
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