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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3394 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-22 02:27:54
September 22 2017 02:26 GMT
#13161
My PSU randomly shuts off. Using the 24-pin adapter that came with it, it usually is able to automatically power on with the fan spinning, but this time it remains dead. Also makes popping noises when I turn the back switch off to on. Time to get a new PSU?
Ng_Arclite
Profile Joined September 2017
3 Posts
September 22 2017 03:17 GMT
#13162
On September 22 2017 11:26 riotjune wrote:
My PSU randomly shuts off. Using the 24-pin adapter that came with it, it usually is able to automatically power on with the fan spinning, but this time it remains dead. Also makes popping noises when I turn the back switch off to on. Time to get a new PSU?


Yeah sounds like it. Make sure your psu is able to provide enough power and has good ventilation.
Ng_Arclite
Profile Joined September 2017
3 Posts
September 22 2017 03:20 GMT
#13163
On September 15 2017 06:07 andrewlt wrote:
Total War: Warhammer 2 is going to be around 60 GB. I've been told other genres like open world games are much, much larger. I bought my last computer 7 years ago before SSDs became mainstream and it's rocking a regular 1 TB main hard drive and a smaller 600 GB removable one. I have mostly kept my videogames installed but I'm seeing recommended SSD sizes that are smaller than my current regular hard drive.

Are people still moving and/or uninstalling games regularly that they're not currently playing? I've been playing mostly strategy games and JRPGs so my install sizes have been pretty reasonable. But I recall even games like Civ 6 and Diablo 3 and Street Fighter 5 surprising me with how large their install sizes are.


If your budget can't afford a bigger one then yeah. Usually I have 4-5 games that I play constantly on it then when they get boring or phase out I'll move them to the hdd or uninstall it. 500gb ssd should be plenty imo
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3394 Posts
September 22 2017 06:58 GMT
#13164
On September 22 2017 12:17 Ng_Arclite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2017 11:26 riotjune wrote:
My PSU randomly shuts off. Using the 24-pin adapter that came with it, it usually is able to automatically power on with the fan spinning, but this time it remains dead. Also makes popping noises when I turn the back switch off to on. Time to get a new PSU?


Yeah sounds like it. Make sure your psu is able to provide enough power and has good ventilation.

K, thanks
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
September 22 2017 07:19 GMT
#13165
I don't think there's ever a case where "it makes popping noises" doesn't need replacing
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12078 Posts
September 22 2017 08:22 GMT
#13166
On September 22 2017 16:19 Craton wrote:
I don't think there's ever a case where "it makes popping noises" doesn't need replacing


Popcorn.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
September 22 2017 20:58 GMT
#13167
Popcorn always need replacing. It always mysteriously disappears.
Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
September 23 2017 12:45 GMT
#13168
Ok, it seems my old graphic card jumped the gun and is crashing my PC all the time ...
So, because this old card I'm using right now is not up to speed: spending money, yey!

But because I'm really out of the game what is new and cool and would be good for me, I'm here!

- My old card was a GeForce GTX 760. So, I'm a "middle class man" Don't need some card for 800 bucks! But budget is basically "open"!
- One thing though: this card was in a Gainward Phantom version, so especially built to be silent. And boy, now with this "backup card", I know how nice this was! Would really like to have a quite quiet card again!
- I am an AMD "fanboy" *duck* and I use an AMD CPU. so I thought about one of those new AMD Radeons ... possible!? But NVIDIA is fine too!
- I don't overclock or do anything with my hardware
- there is no really new game I need it for. starcraft and dota2 and some end is nigh is enough for me at the moment. No special things or graphic fetishist here!

Any recommendations?

Thanks in advance! Have a cake for all the help!
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MizDiana
Profile Joined July 2017
6 Posts
September 25 2017 00:02 GMT
#13169
@Geisterkarle

1) End is Nigh, StarCraft, and Dota2 don't have many requirements and should actually run okay on your 760? Or I would think so.

2) Your monitor may influence things. What is its refresh rate, resolution, and does it have Freesync or G-sync compatibility?

3) Nvidia cards are generally significantly quieter right now. Sorry, AMD. You'll probably be looking at a 1060 or 1070 depending on your definition of middle-class.

"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactician. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-28 14:02:36
September 25 2017 06:40 GMT
#13170
NDA moved forwards since someone leaked part of it

https://www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/3065-final-coffee-lake-specs-8700k-8600k-8350k

8700k should be a king (at some extra $$) and the lower priced i5's will be more viable against the r5 1600 which is currently extremely strong in its price bracket


At the moment i'd say that the 7700k is generally the best gaming CPU but it has a huge weakness against the r7 1700 - multithreaded performance - which makes it well worth it for some people to get 1700's. The 1.5x core count and better manufacturing process fixes that, putting MT into striking range of the r7 1700 while keeping ST a lot stronger

------

In further news it looks like Intel may be delaying the non-overclocking platforms for another quarter, into Q1 2018. The next revision of Ryzen is due in Feb so that leaves the cheaper coffee lake CPU's (quad core i3, 6-core i5) competing with that revision rather than the current one
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Melbogathra
Profile Joined October 2017
1 Post
October 02 2017 13:07 GMT
#13171
Hey!

I'm thinking of buying this notebook or a similar device to have a machine with decent enough specs for web development (PHP, JS, etc.) without crippling my budget while getting something at least remotely portable out of the deal. Naturally, I entertain no gaming ambitions whatsoever for this purchase.

I am however concerned if this tech is too dated at this point as it's been something like 5-6 years since it entered the market. I'm not so strapped for cash that couldn't go for a brand new laptop but if something like the option I linked to would serve my needs for at least a couple of years, I wouldn't mind saving.

So would this be a viable piece of hardware for the purpose above? Are there better options to be had in the UK in this price range? What other alternatives are there?

I'm looking at Asus UX430 in case I decide to opt for a brand new gadget instead.
mantequilla
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Turkey781 Posts
October 02 2017 15:59 GMT
#13172
My old laptop is having some problems.

It's shutting off in a few seconds after powering up. I read that it may be because memory module problems. It has two slots and two ram modules.

So I started experimenting. Using either one of the sticks in either slots causes the same problem. Only when I pull out both sticks it works, well it stays powered on but without any ram it's not much good :D

Should I just buy a cheap ram stick to test in case my both are faulty, or just hand it over to a repair shop?
Age of Mythology forever!
MizDiana
Profile Joined July 2017
6 Posts
October 02 2017 16:15 GMT
#13173
If you have faulty RAM, no big problem. You can test it or have a repair guy test it. However, consider that it might be a problem with the motherboard/memory controller. Not sure you can even fix that on a laptop.
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactician. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
October 02 2017 16:38 GMT
#13174
I'd be surprised if both modules failed at the same time. More than likely the issue is with the motherboard.
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Clubfan
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
Germany913 Posts
October 05 2017 11:23 GMT
#13175
What is your current build?
Intel Core i5-2550k (although Win10 reports it as Core i5-3570k ?)
Gigabyte GA-Z77-DS3H
16 GB DDR3-RAM
MSI GTX 660 Twin Frozr III
Cooler Master GX 550W PSU
Samsung EVO 850 256GB
Samsung SSD 830 128GB
Western Digital 2TB Green

What is your monitor's native resolution?
2 Monitors à 1920*1080, only one is used for gaming

Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade?
I'm having issues with my PC freezing/crashing (without actual error messages) along with very high DPC latencies.
Also, I'd like to have stable 60FPS in most modern games.

I'm planning to upgrade to a GTX 1060, but only if it isn't limited too heavily by the CPU. If that wouldn't make any sense, I guess I'd upgrade CPU, Mobo, GPU and RAM (to DDR4), most likely to the new Core i5-8600K.

So, does it make sense to keep my current CPU? I don't think many games are being slowed down by it right now.

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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-05 16:09:19
October 05 2017 13:04 GMT
#13176
Coffee Lake NDA up!



The limited returns from RAM thing is likely because more and more of their tested games are running into GPU limits, i expect strong scaling to remain on more highly CPU limited games that like RAM performance. The +18% FPS from 40% faster RAM on stock clocks is an extremely strong RAM gain!
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24505 Posts
October 05 2017 13:53 GMT
#13177
On October 05 2017 22:04 Cyro wrote:
Coffee Lake NDA up!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZIVaGcax70


Looks like it's almost time for an upgrade.

Wish intel had better names for their products though.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
October 05 2017 18:26 GMT
#13178
On October 05 2017 22:04 Cyro wrote:
Coffee Lake NDA up!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZIVaGcax70

The limited returns from RAM thing is likely because more and more of their tested games are running into GPU limits, i expect strong scaling to remain on more highly CPU limited games that like RAM performance. The +18% FPS from 40% faster RAM on stock clocks is an extremely strong RAM gain!

Also, https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/10/intel-coffee-lake-8700k-review/
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-05 20:11:09
October 05 2017 19:50 GMT
#13179
On October 06 2017 03:26 wo1fwood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2017 22:04 Cyro wrote:
Coffee Lake NDA up!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZIVaGcax70

The limited returns from RAM thing is likely because more and more of their tested games are running into GPU limits, i expect strong scaling to remain on more highly CPU limited games that like RAM performance. The +18% FPS from 40% faster RAM on stock clocks is an extremely strong RAM gain!

Also, https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/10/intel-coffee-lake-8700k-review/


That's a pretty bad review

most are pretty bad actually, like there is not exactly a test for how tech literate and competent you are before writing a review

example:

The problem is the over-zealous VID spit out by the motherboard. In this case, the board pumped in around 1.248V into the CPU to maintain the stock 4.7GHz all-core boost clock. That's much higher than the 1.0V or lower you would see in a quad-core CPU. Indeed, undervolting the CPU greatly reduces temperatures without affecting stabiliy


He's blaming the stock settings for overvolting when he's actually using a motherboard that automatically overclocks the CPU. If he was using a different board or correctly disabled that option for a stock review then the CPU would only boost to 4.7ghz on one core and would use a substantially lower voltage for multi-core loads.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
October 05 2017 20:35 GMT
#13180
On the RAM thing, I've read in a few places that you don't get much benefit in having RAM faster than the 2666 MHz that is recommended for Coffee Lake. Is that not true? Assume the pc will last longer than 5 years and will need to play games then.
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