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NVENC is an encoder on the last 3 generations of nvidia GPU's, with it there is minimal performance hit and no CPU load but the quality per bit is quite a lot worse than the good CPU encoders
6700k: Yes for streaming OW but maybe not at the resolution and FPS that you'd want. It's a pretty hard game to stream in general because i've found CPU encoding difficult and GPU encoding looking pretty bad with the first person camera and fast motion when using similar hardware
Faster RAM can increase performance a lot depending on the game and situation, it helps sc2 and some others a lot. ~3000mhz is almost the same price as ~2133mhz so it's worth getting at least that high with performance-oriented people with specific game benchmarks sometimes going towards 4000mhz
Progamer hardware, monitors/mouse/keyboard is more based on brand visibility than it is performance. A lot of them use hardware that's not top tier or even flat out bad so it's best to do your own research there. The xl2411z/vg248qe are very common 144hz monitors but they're also quite outdated today
You can use the extra perf from a 1070 but it's $$$ (same as 6700k)
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France13006 Posts
I'm not especially looking to stream OW tho, I'd want to stream sc2 and maybe LoL but I don't care much about streaming OW at the moment and I don't think I'll want to in the future.
So is 6600k+1070 then the best combo for my needs? 6600k+1060 would be cheaper but I would have to make compromises to be able to fully use the 144Hz monitor / maintain 150+fps.
I'll do my research for the monitors ty.
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France13006 Posts
Okay so I got:
(French store, kinda have to buy it all from there in order to be able to buy the whole thing)
CPU: Intel i5-6600K - around 260€
CPU COOLER: Cooler Master Hyper 212X - around 35€
MOBO: MSI Z170A PC MATE - around 125€
RAM: Crucial Ballistix Elite 16GB (8*2) DDR4 3000MHz CL15 - around 116€
GPU: Nvidia Geforce GTX 1070. Exact model around 400-450 depending on sales. Right
now I would take the MSI GTX 1070 ARMOR 8G OC at 450€, cheapest available would be a PALIT 1070 Dual 8GB at 400€.
The original prices are like 490€ minimum but there are A LOT of 1070 on sale so I guess it'll stay the same.
SSD: Crucial MX300 275 GB - around 78€
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200rpm - around 79€
CASE: Corsair Carbide 100R - around 70€
PSU: Seasonic G-550 (550W/gold efficiency) - around 116€ (T_T so much cheaper in US or even in Germany)
TOTAL: around 1314€ with a 450€ GTX 1070 and 1264€ with the cheapest GTX 1070 available.
I'll probably be able to buy around Christmas, not much will change until then except probably the different sales on 1070.
The monitor will be 144Hz 24', I am not sure which one yet. Games SC2(+stream capable needed)/OW/LoL(+stream capable needed) and probably a few solo mainstream games. I put it there again so this post is self sufficient.
Is this build coherent?
Except avoiding the EVGA 1070, how could I chose between the different 1070? Should I go for the cheapest?
I feel like the only part where I could gain money "easily" would be on the PSU, but good PSU seems very expensive in France, for example a simple Tier 3 in this PSU tier list: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html
costs around 100€, I didn't find a Tier3 or better below that price range. Thus I think it's wiser to go for a decent one even tho it's more expensive. The gold efficiency should almost compensate it I guess?
275GB only on the SSD because I'll probably only install Sc2/LoL/OW/maybe some future multiplayer game? on it and some light programs, and use the 7200RPM HDD for BIG (the 50Gigs+ of today) solo games I might buy.
Crucial MX300 because it's cheaper than Samsung 850EVO and it seems good enough.
Any thoughts?
Thanks.
Edit: bonus question.
Since I am coming from a 1080p - 2010 60Hz monitor, i5-750 (a bit OC'ed), Radeon HD5850 1GB VRAM, 7200rpm HDD (no SSD), 2*2GB DDR3, how much will I be blown away :o? Not only in game but also when loading up replays/maps.
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Hi,
I have a 5850 too  And I was looking for upgrading but my platform is still quite recent. I run an i3-4130 with 8g of ram, I'm surprised OW uses so many cores I wasn't aware of that, do you think I should upgrade the cpu as well ? If so I will be aiming at 4770k/4790k or even 5775c since they are compatible.
I'm also looking for a 1080p 24'' 144hz monitor for gaming, anything to recommend ?
@Poopi make sure you don't just aim for 144fps. OW has an input lag that depends on your fps and it's better to aim at 300+. However I got a friend with a 970 (similar perfs as a 1060) and he gets them easily on low setting / 75% render scale.
tl;dr should I upgrade both cpu and gpu or just gpu ?
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Both
75% render scale is pretty awful, i always stick to 1080p w/ something like 2x MSAA and nuke other settings 
1060 is like ~1.2x faster than 970 as well, i have a 980 (similar perf to 1060) and i have a bunch of settings turned down with occasional dips to around 130
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I was about to snap on a 10% deal for graphics card + screen, but now I need to upgrade the cpu as well ! Oh well.
Should I upgrade the whole platform, or go for something like a 4790k/5775c ? I only have a B85 motherboard and so I can't overclock, so I'm thinking, a whole platform would be significantly more expansive but on the other hand I would be able to overclock and in the long run it will last 2-3 years more... I bought the PC almost 3 years ago with no plan on gaming but I'm back into it so it kind of makes sense...
Also, any good 144hz monitor to recommend ? How about this one : Acer XF240Hbmjdpr ? I got a 10% deal for a couple more hours and it seems to fit my requirements but I can't really find a test about it.
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Canada13410 Posts
If I want to update my CPU when should I be looking into it?
I currently have an i5 3570k OC to 4.3 Ghz
On your recommendation Cyro I got a 1070. I want to stream a bit so I am interested in an i7 in the future. For now my processor is just fine, I can even run BF1 at Ultra on my 1600x900 native res over 100 fps (only a 60hz monitor).
But I wonder what time of year processor/mobo is best to buy and what I should be thinking about looking at for an i7, my i5 is getting older. I was gonna give it to my SO since she only really plays civ and minecraft on her computer. Right now she has an i3 2something and I gave her my old 760. The processor is really bottlenecking minecraft of all things right now cuz she has a huge farm with many animals
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Am not sure of minecraft performance / hardware usage
A 6700k would be pretty good, AMD's new cpu arch and Intel's kaby lake are both releasing around jan-feb next year IIRC and it's likely that AMD will provide interesting 4c8t / 6c12t options while kaby lake will be more of the same stuff we already have. Not many details there, though.
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So my issues from a page or so ago are still present. My GPU gets too hot and games stutter and so on. The GPU is clean and I even took it apart and put new thermal paste on it but it still gets too hot as soon as I play anything that is a mild strain on it.
Can anyone recommend a GPU that works with what I have? I just want to be able to play games on med-high without issue, I don't really need anything top of the line.
Specs: http://imgur.com/a/IHyAB
It is getting real depressing that I can't play anything anymore! Any help is appreciated.
EDIT:
Did some reading/looking around.
I don't mind paying a bit more for something like a 1070 as I am probably due to start upgrading and I can do gpu now, then probably get a non-shit monitor, then cpu/mb if needed and so on. Is something like https://www.amazon.com/MSI-GAMING-GTX-1070-8G/dp/B01GXOX3SW decent? Or is there another brand people would recommend.
(also, if my mb is pci-e 2.0, what do I lose from not having pci-e 3.0, if anything?)
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For a single card there shouldn't be any difference in performance. It has to do with the maximum bandwidth of data that can be sent over it, but even 2.0 x8/x16 is very high. Even for dual cards most of the time it isn't a problem.
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I'm about to lock in on my choice for a workstation laptop, I've been trying to find a way to get a good idea of processor performance differences in Zbrush but havent found anything. So heres what I'm most likely to buy at the moment barring any last minute issues/criticisms.
Sager NP9172 (17")
i7. 6700K Processor
16GB DDR4 2400 RAM
GeForce GTX 1060 GPU
1TB 7200RPM HDD (debating an additional 256GB m.2 SSD)
Windows 10 (debating not paying for a pre-install and doing it myself, but I'm not sure saving $70USD is worth the effort to find and install Windows 10 manually)
It's a machine intended for 3D modeling, a lot of Zbrush, a lot of Maya, a lot of Substance Painter, and maybe some Topogun and other assorted specific programs for specific functions. But a LOT of Zbrush, Maya, and Substance Painter.
I used to work on a 2012 15" MacBook Pro, but she's lived her life and I want a machine that'll run me into the future a ways and will let me not have to worry about being able to do work for a long while.
The biggest thing that I need help with is whether or not the 6700K is THAT huge of an upgrade over like, a 6700HQ. I'm like 90% sure, but before I drop a ton of cash on this brick-monstrosity I want to be sure that the 6700K is going to be a serious beast. I know the programs I intend to run tend to be single threaded and rely a lot on Processor speed.
I've seen professional builds with lesser specs that seem to run very well, so I just wanted to confirm that the build I'm intending to purchase will be the powerhouse I'm led to believe it will be.
Also is it worth it to pay $30 for a Thermal Compound upgrade? Since I imagine it's going to run like a furnace.
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Canada13410 Posts
On November 12 2016 14:40 Cyro wrote:
Am not sure of minecraft performance / hardware usage
A 6700k would be pretty good, AMD's new cpu arch and Intel's kaby lake are both releasing around jan-feb next year IIRC and it's likely that AMD will provide interesting 4c8t / 6c12t options while kaby lake will be more of the same stuff we already have. Not many details there, though.
So would things like markdowns or sale prices kick in when the new CPUs come in? Or closer to the spring? I would love a 6700K but the price is still fairly high. I remember I got my 3570k for only 225 because the next cpu family was out. When I look at older gens they are actually more expensive than the 6700 atm. So I realise the timing for an older gen is bad, and I dont NEED a 7 series CPU. The 6700 looks great but I am waiting to get a bit of a deal on it
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Anyone that lives close to a Microcenter, they already have huge discounts on CPUs for Black Friday. 6700K for $260 is enticing, although just not enough to replace my aging Haswell 1230v2.
Still no great deals on GTXs, any chance for the 1060 to slip below $200 during holidays?
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On November 15 2016 23:29 Zambrah wrote:
I'm about to lock in on my choice for a workstation laptop, I've been trying to find a way to get a good idea of processor performance differences in Zbrush but havent found anything. So heres what I'm most likely to buy at the moment barring any last minute issues/criticisms.
Sager NP9172 (17")
i7. 6700K Processor
16GB DDR4 2400 RAM
GeForce GTX 1060 GPU
1TB 7200RPM HDD (debating an additional 256GB m.2 SSD)
Windows 10 (debating not paying for a pre-install and doing it myself, but I'm not sure saving $70USD is worth the effort to find and install Windows 10 manually)
It's a machine intended for 3D modeling, a lot of Zbrush, a lot of Maya, a lot of Substance Painter, and maybe some Topogun and other assorted specific programs for specific functions. But a LOT of Zbrush, Maya, and Substance Painter.
I used to work on a 2012 15" MacBook Pro, but she's lived her life and I want a machine that'll run me into the future a ways and will let me not have to worry about being able to do work for a long while.
The biggest thing that I need help with is whether or not the 6700K is THAT huge of an upgrade over like, a 6700HQ. I'm like 90% sure, but before I drop a ton of cash on this brick-monstrosity I want to be sure that the 6700K is going to be a serious beast. I know the programs I intend to run tend to be single threaded and rely a lot on Processor speed.
I've seen professional builds with lesser specs that seem to run very well, so I just wanted to confirm that the build I'm intending to purchase will be the powerhouse I'm led to believe it will be.
Also is it worth it to pay $30 for a Thermal Compound upgrade? Since I imagine it's going to run like a furnace.
6700HQ is just a underclocked version of the K version to reduce heat and power consumption. The difference is not significant between the two but overclocking will certainly be the difference-maker of 6700K for programs like Maya.
And don't pay $30 for thermal compound, put that money into a decent aftermarket cooler instead for overclocking your 6700K. The third-party coolers contain compound that is better than the stuff supplied stock OEM by Intel. If you really want to nitpick just pick up a tube of MX4, it's more than adequate.
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United Kingdom20342 Posts
And don't pay $30 for thermal compound, put that money into a decent aftermarket cooler
It's a laptop
The 6700HQ runs at 2.6ghz base; up to 3.1ghz on all cores or 3.5ghz on one core when it's within power limit
6700k runs at 4ghz on all cores, up to 4.2ghz on one core
I don't know about the programs, the specific laptop or how well they will do thermal compound with or without that upgrade. $30 is mostly labor cost but it might be beneficial if you don't want to take apart the laptop yourself
I think that you shouldn't even be considering running without an SSD for a build like that, and yes it's a powerhouse :D
I think the actual laptop chassis won't get that hot under CPU loads but the CPU cores will probably get to moderately high temperatures @4 - 4.2ghz in a laptop
also recommend looking at a few hours of random reviews for the model before buying any laptop
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I never thought one would try to load all those desktop variants into a laptop chassis. Then I don't think he should overclock that 6700K.
Personally my Xeon cores is really only under heavy load once I start rendering with VRay and 3DS Max or a heavy detail model in Rhino 3D. But a 6700K on laptop cooling sounds out of place to me, the overall price and power consumption is another level compared to the HQ or my 3 year old Xeon.
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United Kingdom20342 Posts
But a 6700K on laptop cooling sounds out of place to me, the overall price and power consumption is another level compared to the HQ or my 3 year old Xeon.
They don't actually use much power, it's like ~75w under 4 core load and way less if loading fewer cores. That thing also has a gtx1060 which can use ~100-120w and it's not an ultrabook-style laptop
some desktop motherboards override intel spec and cause a lot higher power consumption out of the box but you can change a setting to fix that and i doubt laptops will have the same mistake
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On November 16 2016 17:58 Disregard wrote:
I never thought one would try to load all those desktop variants into a laptop chassis. Then I don't think he should overclock that 6700K.
Personally my Xeon cores is really only under heavy load once I start rendering with VRay and 3DS Max or a heavy detail model in Rhino 3D. But a 6700K on laptop cooling sounds out of place to me, the overall price and power consumption is another level compared to the HQ or my 3 year old Xeon.
Heheh, yeah I'm planning to be at a point in my life where I may be moving around a lot and I'm looking to be able to do a lot of hardcore modeling work and didnt want to skimp on the one part of the laptop that I know is essential to Zbrush, the CPU. This 10lb brick-monstrosity is pretty much the cheapest thing I could find with a 6700K in it. 
At this point I'm relatively positive that this build will do everything I want it to and I really can't find anything cheaper with a similar/slightly less powerful CPU, so I think this is the machine I'm gonna buy.
Hard to find too many reviews on it, the ones I do find (some about similar models instead of this exact one) more or less state that its a solid piece of machinery, nothing god tier, but solid.
One of them also noted that the exhaust vents on the back are plastic and felt kind of cheap but I'm not sure thats worth shelling out hundreds more bucks for the next 6700K-containing model in a different brand.
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