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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
December 25 2013 21:08 GMT
#3361
On December 26 2013 06:00 skyR wrote:
You don't need Intel RST


works for me, heh.
maru lover forever
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20327 Posts
December 25 2013 21:09 GMT
#3362
On December 26 2013 05:59 wptlzkwjd wrote:
Hey guys, is a EVGA Supernova NEX750B 750W ATX EPS12V Power Supply enough to power this build and overclock?

ASUS Z87-A ATX SLI Motherboard
Intel Core i5 4670K
ZOTAC GTX 770



770 average draw is well under 200w, peak maybe a hair higher; 4670k you won't get really more than 120w without heat issues, you should probably have a good quality ~430-450w unit
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Leeoku
Profile Joined May 2010
1617 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-25 21:12:50
December 25 2013 21:12 GMT
#3363
how much wattage does the other components take up? I know my gpu takes ~250 and cpu takes ~84. So on average non OC (or look at previous post for build) how much wattage would the rest take up ( I read the sticky about PSU's and know about the recommendation that manufactures give)
McTeazy
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada297 Posts
December 25 2013 21:14 GMT
#3364
I'm a bit concerned about VRAM and I'm not sure it's justified.

It says in the OP you can pretty must trust the manufacturer to have equipped their card with sufficient VRAM. That's fine/makes sense, but it also seems like you're pushing it right the limit with some of the higher end titles.

Is going with a 7970 over a 770 worth it for 20 dollars and an extra gig of VRAM?

Also, How is Zotac as a brand, one of their 4gb 770s is on for 340
a person is smart, people are stupid
Fallen750
Profile Joined December 2010
United States43 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-25 21:42:09
December 25 2013 21:18 GMT
#3365
Hey all.

I currently have a prebuilt PC, and I was trying to decide if it is worth upgrading or just sucking it up and working towards building myself a new one here soon.

Here are the specs for my PC Asus CM850.Manu Link.
On the Manufacture's link it doesn't show the graphics card that I bought my PC with. I have GT530 2gb.


What is your monitor's native resolution?
Native resolution for my monitor is 1680x1050


Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade?
It would be more of a QoL upgrade right now if I did it. If possible I would like to improve the streaming capability of my PC.
I would like to be able to stream ~30fps at a decent quality, just seems my frames in game drop currently if I try.


What is your budget?
I have a budget of around $300

What country will you be buying your parts in?
United States, there is not a MicroCenter of Fry's electronics near me.


If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify.
No retail preference.


Thanks for any help, I think the main thing I am wondering is if you think it would be worth it to upgrade or just save up and go new.

Everything is going to be okay.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20327 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-25 21:33:34
December 25 2013 21:20 GMT
#3366
On December 26 2013 06:12 Leeoku wrote:
how much wattage does the other components take up? I know my gpu takes ~250 and cpu takes ~84. So on average non OC (or look at previous post for build) how much wattage would the rest take up ( I read the sticky about PSU's and know about the recommendation that manufactures give)


You are quoting TDP, for the 770 is is 230w and for the 4670k it is 84w. That's not actual power usage though, for example the 4770k has the same tdp as the 4670k even though it draws ~15% more power under an 8 thread load

The 680 and 770 are the same GPU - yet 680 had ~170w tdp and 770 had ~230w tdp. TDP is not power usage, it is "thermal design power" which means god knows what

Your actual power draw will be different, and you will never overload a good 430/450w unit or even come close to it with a single 4670k and 770, even a 780 without bios mod (which has 50% more cores and 50% wider memory bus to feed them - essentially 50% more power draw at the same voltage)

You have a 4670, not 4670k, so way lower power draw under typical loads; no need to worry, and most other components are marginal for power; ssd consumes like a couple watts, hdd a little when spun up, fans a bit, nothing to worry about really

On December 26 2013 06:18 Fallen750 wrote:
Hey all.

I currently have a prebuilt PC, and I was trying to decide if it is worth upgrading or just sucking it up and working towards building myself a new one here soon.

Here are the specs for my PC Asus CM850.


What is your monitor's native resolution?
Native resolution for my monitor is 1680x1050


Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade?
It would be more of a QoL upgrade right now if I did it. If possible I would like to improve the streaming capability of my PC.
I would like to be able to stream ~30fps at a decent quality, just seems my frames in game drop currently if I try.


What is your budget?
I have a budget of around $300

What country will you be buying your parts in?
United States, there is not a MicroCenter of Fry's electronics near me.


If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify.
No retail preference.


Thanks for any help, I think the main thing I am wondering is if you think it would be worth it to upgrade or just save up and go new.




GPU/PSU stands out, maybe limiting performance (2600 is still good)
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
ShalanRz
Profile Joined March 2011
6 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-25 21:52:50
December 25 2013 21:48 GMT
#3367
On December 26 2013 05:12 Ata wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2013 04:53 ShalanRz wrote:
I am buying these parts for my computer and just want an opinion on anything that should be changed on it around the same cost. I am also from Canada so cost is a little higher as a whole compared to US costs currently.

CPU - Intel Core i5-4670 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor 219.99
Motherboard - ASRock H81M-HDS Micro ATX LGA 1150 Motherboard 69.99
Memory - Corsair XMS 8GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 84.99
Storage - Wester Digital 1 TB 7200 RPM Blue 64.99
PSU - Corsair CX series CX500 500W 59.99
GPU - Gigabyte R9 270 OC 975MHZ 2GB 5.6GHZ GDDR5 2xDVI HDMI 199.99
Case - Bitfenix Survivor Black ATX Mid Tower Case 59.99

Thanks!


What do you plan to use it for?
Assuming gaming, which games/setting/resolution.

Edit: ram, psu seems overpriced. (also hhd but im not sure). maybe cheap out on the case a little and buy a better gpu.



I tried to find cheaper ram in particular was hoping to find something around 64.99 but wasn't able to at all on any of the canadian sites. I did have a cheaper psu but it was 400w and I wanted a little bit of headroom, think I can drop it at all?

Also it is for gaming at 1080p. Mostly SC2, LoL or Dota2 type things. Nothing too hard.
wptlzkwjd
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1240 Posts
December 25 2013 22:18 GMT
#3368
On December 26 2013 06:48 ShalanRz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2013 05:12 Ata wrote:
On December 26 2013 04:53 ShalanRz wrote:
I am buying these parts for my computer and just want an opinion on anything that should be changed on it around the same cost. I am also from Canada so cost is a little higher as a whole compared to US costs currently.

CPU - Intel Core i5-4670 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor 219.99
Motherboard - ASRock H81M-HDS Micro ATX LGA 1150 Motherboard 69.99
Memory - Corsair XMS 8GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 84.99
Storage - Wester Digital 1 TB 7200 RPM Blue 64.99
PSU - Corsair CX series CX500 500W 59.99
GPU - Gigabyte R9 270 OC 975MHZ 2GB 5.6GHZ GDDR5 2xDVI HDMI 199.99
Case - Bitfenix Survivor Black ATX Mid Tower Case 59.99

Thanks!


What do you plan to use it for?
Assuming gaming, which games/setting/resolution.

Edit: ram, psu seems overpriced. (also hhd but im not sure). maybe cheap out on the case a little and buy a better gpu.



I tried to find cheaper ram in particular was hoping to find something around 64.99 but wasn't able to at all on any of the canadian sites. I did have a cheaper psu but it was 400w and I wanted a little bit of headroom, think I can drop it at all?

Also it is for gaming at 1080p. Mostly SC2, LoL or Dota2 type things. Nothing too hard.


http://products.ncix.com/detail/seagate-barracuda-1tb-7200rpm-64mb-sata-6gbps-3-5in-internal-hard-drive-oem-ce-65701-1051.htm

$60 1TB HDD but for $40 more, you can get a 3TB HDD

http://products.ncix.com/detail/toshiba-hdkpc08-3tb-sata3-7200rpm-32mb-cache-3-5in-internal-hard-disk-drive-hdd-a9-77086-1051.htm
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Ata
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada356 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-25 22:45:55
December 25 2013 22:37 GMT
#3369
On December 26 2013 06:48 ShalanRz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2013 05:12 Ata wrote:
On December 26 2013 04:53 ShalanRz wrote:
I am buying these parts for my computer and just want an opinion on anything that should be changed on it around the same cost. I am also from Canada so cost is a little higher as a whole compared to US costs currently.

CPU - Intel Core i5-4670 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor 219.99
Motherboard - ASRock H81M-HDS Micro ATX LGA 1150 Motherboard 69.99
Memory - Corsair XMS 8GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 84.99
Storage - Wester Digital 1 TB 7200 RPM Blue 64.99
PSU - Corsair CX series CX500 500W 59.99
GPU - Gigabyte R9 270 OC 975MHZ 2GB 5.6GHZ GDDR5 2xDVI HDMI 199.99
Case - Bitfenix Survivor Black ATX Mid Tower Case 59.99

Thanks!


What do you plan to use it for?
Assuming gaming, which games/setting/resolution.

Edit: ram, psu seems overpriced. (also hhd but im not sure). maybe cheap out on the case a little and buy a better gpu.



I tried to find cheaper ram in particular was hoping to find something around 64.99 but wasn't able to at all on any of the canadian sites. I did have a cheaper psu but it was 400w and I wanted a little bit of headroom, think I can drop it at all?

Also it is for gaming at 1080p. Mostly SC2, LoL or Dota2 type things. Nothing too hard.


Ram: http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX34251 Didnt look too hard, might be better deals.
RipjawsX Series 8GB 2133 MHz 11-11-11-30 @ $70 (cheaper than your $85)

You might want to look into overclocking the cpu then (for sc2 and dota2). Its gonna be alot more expensive thought, so I dont know.

that psu is regulay @ $50-20MIR which is fine at that price if you value MIR.
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX41858

And the case, its a personal thing and I would either spend ~10$ more on a quality case or ~$20 on a cheaper but still fine case.

http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX40046
ShalanRz
Profile Joined March 2011
6 Posts
December 25 2013 22:53 GMT
#3370
I should have mentioned this...

The RAM and PSU both have 20 dollar MiR's with them and are also free shipping. For whatever reason ca.pcpartpicker doesn't seem to acknowledge memoryexpress it seems?

I will probably end up getting a Fractal Define R4 case.

Thank you for all your input!
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-26 00:33:11
December 26 2013 00:23 GMT
#3371
With my Christmas money I just ordered the Intel 530 180GB for $120. I really really hope I get it by Saturday else I'm not getting it until next year. Also T.T SATA2 gonna bottleneck my synthetics.
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
Leeoku
Profile Joined May 2010
1617 Posts
December 26 2013 01:10 GMT
#3372
if ur in canada , canadacomputers has corsair low profile vengeance 8gb stick for 65
sevia
Profile Joined May 2010
United States954 Posts
December 26 2013 01:55 GMT
#3373
Hello all. I think this is a pretty cookie-cutter build, but if someone could just give it a quick thumbs-up, I'd appreciate it! Thanks.


CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-D3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Kingston Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($69.29 @ Amazon)
Storage: Sandisk Ultra Plus 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM HDD ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($259.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($61.24 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($21.95 @ Amazon)

Total: $1012.42
최지성 Bomber || 김동환 viOLet || 고병재 GuMiho
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 26 2013 01:59 GMT
#3374
On December 26 2013 10:55 sevia wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Hello all. I think this is a pretty cookie-cutter build, but if someone could just give it a quick thumbs-up, I'd appreciate it! Thanks.


CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-D3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Kingston Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($69.29 @ Amazon)
Storage: Sandisk Ultra Plus 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM HDD ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($259.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($61.24 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($21.95 @ Amazon)

Total: $1012.42


If this is US then:

Rosewill Capstone 450 from Newegg for $60 is better than the XFX.

NCIX US has the Samsung 840 EVO 120GB for $85, better than the Sandisk.

NCIX US has the Define R4 for $70.

You're missing a heatsink.

DVD burner sort of expensive.

sevia
Profile Joined May 2010
United States954 Posts
December 26 2013 02:26 GMT
#3375
On December 26 2013 10:59 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2013 10:55 sevia wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Hello all. I think this is a pretty cookie-cutter build, but if someone could just give it a quick thumbs-up, I'd appreciate it! Thanks.


CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-D3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Kingston Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($69.29 @ Amazon)
Storage: Sandisk Ultra Plus 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM HDD ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($259.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($61.24 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($21.95 @ Amazon)

Total: $1012.42


If this is US then:

Rosewill Capstone 450 from Newegg for $60 is better than the XFX.

NCIX US has the Samsung 840 EVO 120GB for $85, better than the Sandisk.

NCIX US has the Define R4 for $70.

You're missing a heatsink.

DVD burner sort of expensive.



Okay, swapped the PSU and the SSD. Found them for the same price on Amazon (free 2-day shipping, Prime member).

Heatsink: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 120mm ($32.59 @ Amazon)

Probably just going to pick up a cheaper optical drive from Microcenter when I get the case.

Thanks for the feedback
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Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
December 26 2013 11:44 GMT
#3376
Windows on the SSD will only boot if my HDD is plugged in, otherwise it won't.

the fuck? they're two seperate windows install
maru lover forever
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
December 26 2013 12:42 GMT
#3377
On December 26 2013 20:44 Incognoto wrote:
Windows on the SSD will only boot if my HDD is plugged in, otherwise it won't.

the fuck? they're two seperate windows install


The master boot record is on the HDD. You need to have the MBR on the SSD. That's what it sounds like. What kind of error do you get?
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
December 26 2013 16:32 GMT
#3378
On December 26 2013 21:42 felisconcolori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2013 20:44 Incognoto wrote:
Windows on the SSD will only boot if my HDD is plugged in, otherwise it won't.

the fuck? they're two seperate windows install


The master boot record is on the HDD. You need to have the MBR on the SSD. That's what it sounds like. What kind of error do you get?


"plug in boot device and then press a key" something like that. master boot record is on the hDD eh? how do you put that sucker on the ssd?
maru lover forever
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-26 16:48:05
December 26 2013 16:45 GMT
#3379
You unplug everything except for the SSD (and optical drive if you have Windows on a disc). Then you boot from your Windows installation media. You go to the repair stuff that's on the installation media. You can try that automatic repair thingy it has, or you can open the command prompt window that it has and google for one or two commands that you can type there which will repair the boot sector and boot loader stuff.

When you plug everything back in, put the SSD's SATA cable into the number one slot in front of the HDD (I don't know if that's really needed).
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
McTeazy
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada297 Posts
December 26 2013 18:03 GMT
#3380
Can anyone differentiate these cards for me? My oblivious conclusion is that the coolers are different. Would you recommend one over the other or roughly equivalent?

1) http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8228920&CatId=7387
2) http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8208321&CatId=7387
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