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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 05 2013 22:03 GMT
#2741
On December 06 2013 06:53 felisconcolori wrote:Any guru care to give me a suggestion on Gigabyte utilities? Worth installing, Y/N?


No.
Mavvie
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Canada923 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-05 22:18:44
December 05 2013 22:15 GMT
#2742
My i5-4670k just arrived and it works! Stock settings were 1.064 Vcore, is that good or bad?

Edit: unblocked CPU fan (why the fuck didn't the mobo detect this?) and it's down to 1.054v on auto.
Getting back into sc2 O_o
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6169 Posts
December 05 2013 22:15 GMT
#2743
On December 06 2013 07:03 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2013 06:53 felisconcolori wrote:Any guru care to give me a suggestion on Gigabyte utilities? Worth installing, Y/N?


No.


TY. I already made the mistake of "express install" all the drivers, then had to go rip out Google Drive, Google Toolbar, and Norton Internet Security.

Savant, I put this together this morning - starting about 8am, I had all the hardware in place by about 13:30, and the hardest part I had was figuring out the standoff placements (duh; they go in the holes labeled "A") and manhandling the PSU into alignment for the thumbscrews.

Probably could've done it faster, except I messed up my heat sink mount twice (mounted in wrong orientation, caught it before I put the sink on the mounting bracket) and I tried to make sure the cabling looked vaguely pretty on the back side.
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
IdiotSavant
Profile Joined April 2011
United States88 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-05 22:25:31
December 05 2013 22:19 GMT
#2744
On December 06 2013 07:15 felisconcolori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2013 07:03 skyR wrote:
On December 06 2013 06:53 felisconcolori wrote:Any guru care to give me a suggestion on Gigabyte utilities? Worth installing, Y/N?


No.


TY. I already made the mistake of "express install" all the drivers, then had to go rip out Google Drive, Google Toolbar, and Norton Internet Security.

Savant, I put this together this morning - starting about 8am, I had all the hardware in place by about 13:30, and the hardest part I had was figuring out the standoff placements (duh; they go in the holes labeled "A") and manhandling the PSU into alignment for the thumbscrews.

Probably could've done it faster, except I messed up my heat sink mount twice (mounted in wrong orientation, caught it before I put the sink on the mounting bracket) and I tried to make sure the cabling looked vaguely pretty on the back side.



nice. Ill be starting late..probably in a few hours after I read these manuals and redeam some free games I got with the gcard + picture time b/c friends want them

luckly i haev an old computer im still able to use..so even if this takes me going slow for a day or 2 im set
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
December 05 2013 22:29 GMT
#2745
does anyone know any good mobos for 4770k. preferably best bang for the buck. just got a really cheap i7 and going to build a new computer slowly. just looking for some options out there right now
BW -> League -> CSGO
IdiotSavant
Profile Joined April 2011
United States88 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-05 22:42:07
December 05 2013 22:31 GMT
#2746
On December 06 2013 07:29 wussleeQ wrote:
does anyone know any good mobos for 4770k. preferably best bang for the buck. just got a really cheap i7 and going to build a new computer slowly. just looking for some options out there right now


most people here have been recommending this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128591

just got it myself..though the price has gone up since then..lowest ive seen is around

~110-120


heatsink question...which installation manual am I using? LGA115x or LGA2011

mb is same as posted above
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 05 2013 22:43 GMT
#2747
115x... since your motherboard is 115x.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
December 05 2013 22:45 GMT
#2748
On December 06 2013 07:15 Mavvie wrote:
My i5-4670k just arrived and it works! Stock settings were 1.064 Vcore, is that good or bad?

Edit: unblocked CPU fan (why the fuck didn't the mobo detect this?) and it's down to 1.054v on auto.


Pretty much impossible to bin from stock, unless it's really really terrible (i've seen some people reporting 1.2v at load for stock.. but that seems unthinkable unless it's set up wrong with adaptive voltage etc)

Want me to talk you through stuff?


For the guy with the SSD; seriously. Plug in the sata cable and leave it hanging in case if you want to. It's no big deal, for airflow/security reasons etc you can just duct tape it to basically anything but it's not important unless you make it important
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
IdiotSavant
Profile Joined April 2011
United States88 Posts
December 05 2013 22:48 GMT
#2749
On December 06 2013 07:45 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2013 07:15 Mavvie wrote:
My i5-4670k just arrived and it works! Stock settings were 1.064 Vcore, is that good or bad?

Edit: unblocked CPU fan (why the fuck didn't the mobo detect this?) and it's down to 1.054v on auto.


Pretty much impossible to bin from stock, unless it's really really terrible (i've seen some people reporting 1.2v at load for stock.. but that seems unthinkable unless it's set up wrong with adaptive voltage etc)

Want me to talk you through stuff?


For the guy with the SSD; seriously. Plug in the sata cable and leave it hanging in case if you want to. It's no big deal, for airflow/security reasons etc you can just duct tape it to basically anything but it's not important unless you make it important



yeah i looked thorugh items..mb came with several sata cables...case has mounting area..though i havent checked to see if they have like a mounting unit somewhere (def not with the sdd)..not a big deal in the end..i have so many driver drawers..so many i might take some out..havent decided yet
nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
December 05 2013 22:59 GMT
#2750
I got the Z77A-G43, now just have to fill out rebate and wait.

My parts are arriving 1 at a time, is there a checklist of some sort to check for fail parts before I wait to assemble the whole desktop and potentially miss the return date?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 05 2013 23:05 GMT
#2751
Unless you have another computer. No.
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6169 Posts
December 05 2013 23:20 GMT
#2752
On December 06 2013 07:48 IdiotSavant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2013 07:45 Cyro wrote:
On December 06 2013 07:15 Mavvie wrote:
My i5-4670k just arrived and it works! Stock settings were 1.064 Vcore, is that good or bad?

Edit: unblocked CPU fan (why the fuck didn't the mobo detect this?) and it's down to 1.054v on auto.


Pretty much impossible to bin from stock, unless it's really really terrible (i've seen some people reporting 1.2v at load for stock.. but that seems unthinkable unless it's set up wrong with adaptive voltage etc)

Want me to talk you through stuff?


For the guy with the SSD; seriously. Plug in the sata cable and leave it hanging in case if you want to. It's no big deal, for airflow/security reasons etc you can just duct tape it to basically anything but it's not important unless you make it important



yeah i looked thorugh items..mb came with several sata cables...case has mounting area..though i havent checked to see if they have like a mounting unit somewhere (def not with the sdd)..not a big deal in the end..i have so many driver drawers..so many i might take some out..havent decided yet


Mounting on the case's motherboard back plate just takes 4 screws, no bracket or anything. You just have to put it there before you have the motherboard installed; there's a picture in the manual that shows the two SSD mounting spots there. (That's also where the cable management gets done, behind the motherboard.) I'll probably be writing a blog with pictures about building, because I'm just loving this system even though I'm only just to the "updating windows" part.
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
IdiotSavant
Profile Joined April 2011
United States88 Posts
December 05 2013 23:36 GMT
#2753
Yeah. Building now. Do I have to plug it into a computer 1st? The instruction manual shows it..or can I just pplug and play and use the install cd that came with.

Also did you just move the top fan to the open space on bottom of the front fan..or back fan to front and top to back. I looked at fans and I dont see this flow difference u mentioned
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-05 23:44:59
December 05 2013 23:42 GMT
#2754
Hmm what?

Why bother moving fans around unless you want positive pressure rather than the default negative pressure. And if you're rearranging, just take top to front or back to front, they're all the same. No point in wasting effort in moving back to front and top to back -.-
IdiotSavant
Profile Joined April 2011
United States88 Posts
December 05 2013 23:46 GMT
#2755
On December 06 2013 08:42 skyR wrote:
Hmm what?

Why bother moving fans around unless you want positive pressure rather than the default negative pressure. And if you're rearranging, just take top to front or back to front, they're all the same. No point in wasting effort in moving back to front and top to back -.-


I dunno..someone else was posting about flow being pointless if they both forced air in op ddirections. On mobile now so cant really go back and. find name
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6169 Posts
December 05 2013 23:48 GMT
#2756
I moved the top fan to the open spot in the front, yes, and it was for the purpose of setting up positive pressure.

That plugging the SSD into a computer first thing in the instructions is for "data migration" purposes. I didn't have to, because I have a normal HDD that carries all my documents etc. I wasn't moving any data over.

I got a lot of information for the actual Win install from this post on overclock.net.

On the fan casings, there's a very subtle set of arrows. I looked for it after I saw it on the Noctua heat sink fan. Turns out they are also on the case fans. A little tough to see; although on the case fans, easier way is to tell you that the side with the sticker is the direction the fan is pushing air.
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
S3ph
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany76 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-05 23:53:16
December 05 2013 23:50 GMT
#2757
Ahoi, everyone. Iso your help again.
A good friend of mine has gotten some stuff for free, but he is missing some items.
He asked me to help him, but I'm a noob too.

Here we go. Items he got 4 phree:
Mainboard: ASUS M4A77T/USB3
GFX: GeiL value plus 2 x 2 GB DDR3-1333 CL 7 7 7 24
RAM: GTS250 "Deep green" Gainward 1024 MB GDDR3

Items I have already found to complete his system:
CPU: AMD FX-6300 6x 3.50GHz AM3+ --> 95,27 EUR by www.mindfactory.de (cheapest AM3+)
PSU: 450 Watt Super Flower Golden Green PRO Non-Modular 80+ Gold --> 65,84 by www.mindfactory.de (cheapest 80+ Gold)
Not sure about CPU fan. Either he will use the old one or I will recommend him Scythe Mugen 4 Tower (35,83).

Optical drives (no blue-ray), noname case (no cable management -.-) and some crappy 200 GB HDD (I loled :D) will be the old ones. But I will try to convince him to buy at least Seagate Barracuda 1TB SATA III (48,13 EUR) and to through away 200Gb nonsense.

All-in-all about 250 EUR to spend.
What do you think, guys?
Should I add something? Upgrade or downgrade?
Dura lex, sed lex!
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
December 05 2013 23:55 GMT
#2758
gts250 is very weak, not really appropriate for much more than sc2 on low settings if he's gaming?
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 05 2013 23:57 GMT
#2759
On December 06 2013 08:46 IdiotSavant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2013 08:42 skyR wrote:
Hmm what?

Why bother moving fans around unless you want positive pressure rather than the default negative pressure. And if you're rearranging, just take top to front or back to front, they're all the same. No point in wasting effort in moving back to front and top to back -.-


I dunno..someone else was posting about flow being pointless if they both forced air in op ddirections. On mobile now so cant really go back and. find name


I don't really follow the conversation. You and Disregard (the person that mentioned it) both seem a bit confused.

You mention moving a fan to the front and I assume Disregard assumes that you were going to mount the fan in as an exhaust (or that he thinks fans are either exhaust or intake), in which case it would be pointless because the air would just be stuck at the front of the case since you have a fan sucking in air and then a fan next to it sucking air out....

The reason why you want to move a fan from the back to the front is to change the air pressure within the case for cooling performance, dust prevention, or whatever.
S3ph
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany76 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-06 00:30:35
December 06 2013 00:28 GMT
#2760
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2013 08:50 S3ph wrote:
Ahoi, everyone. Iso your help again.
A good friend of mine has gotten some stuff for free, but he is missing some items.
He asked me to help him, but I'm a noob too.

Here we go. Items he got 4 phree:
Mainboard: ASUS M4A77T/USB3
GFX: GeiL value plus 2 x 2 GB DDR3-1333 CL 7 7 7 24
RAM: GTS250 "Deep green" Gainward 1024 MB GDDR3

Items I have already found to complete his system:
CPU: AMD FX-6300 6x 3.50GHz AM3+ --> 95,27 EUR by www.mindfactory.de (cheapest AM3+)
PSU: 450 Watt Super Flower Golden Green PRO Non-Modular 80+ Gold --> 65,84 by www.mindfactory.de (cheapest 80+ Gold)
Not sure about CPU fan. Either he will use the old one or I will recommend him Scythe Mugen 4 Tower (35,83).

Optical drives (no blue-ray), noname case (no cable management -.-) and some crappy 200 GB HDD (I loled :D) will be the old ones. But I will try to convince him to buy at least Seagate Barracuda 1TB SATA III (48,13 EUR) and to through away 200Gb nonsense.

All-in-all about 250 EUR to spend.
What do you think, guys?
Should I add something? Upgrade or downgrade?

On December 06 2013 08:55 Cyro wrote:
gts250 is very weak, not really appropriate for much more than sc2 on low settings if he's gaming?


Afaik he has little to no time to play games. If he finds some time, then it's RPGs or RTSs.
And I think he will be HUGELY happy to even be able to run SC2. Even on lowest, even Campagne.

My thoughts: he should be investing some more money in what he has to buy. Like PSU or Case or HDD.
PSU - even maybe 500 Watt be quiet! System Power 7 Bulk Non-Modular 80+ Silver.
Case - something like Fractal Design Define R4 Black Pearl.
HDD - like Barracuda + SSD EVO.

But... he wants to keep it as cheap as possible. I already told him, that it will be more expensive in the future as soon as he decides to upgrade his system again. Alas...
Dura lex, sed lex!
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