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When using this resource, please read the opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 03 2013 00:39 GMT
#2701
R9 270 isn't superior though, it's on even footing (or worse) with a GTX 660 so no you shouldn't be paying nearly $100 more for the same performance. Whether your friend should pay more for a better card though depends on what he wants to accomplish. A GTX 760 for $100 more might be worth it I guess if he plans on playing AAA titles on high+. But then again, you might as well just spend $40 more for a R9 280x at that point and get a free copy of BF4.
di4m0nd
Profile Joined June 2010
United States297 Posts
December 03 2013 00:44 GMT
#2702
On December 03 2013 09:22 XenOmega wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2013 09:07 skyR wrote:
R9 270 for $250 is way overpriced.


Sorry, I didn't express myself properly. Was asking if i should go with the 660 at 169 -20$ rebate

Or should my friend pay more for a superior card (200+$, like r270 or something else)


AMD Radeon HD 7870 Crossfire vs Radeon HD 7970 vs Nvidia GTX 680
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keep in mind that this video is a year old and some of the bugs are fixed on the 7870CF

or look at this video for higher end cars

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here are some options hope this helps
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nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
December 03 2013 00:52 GMT
#2703
On December 03 2013 07:54 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2013 07:52 nosliw wrote:
Is there a reason why people like 2x 4gb memory instead of 1x 8GB


Dual channel.

Meaning if one fails at least you have a backup?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 03 2013 00:58 GMT
#2704
No, that would just be an advantage of two over one. Dual channel improves performance.
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
December 03 2013 07:49 GMT
#2705
On December 03 2013 09:52 nosliw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2013 07:54 skyR wrote:
On December 03 2013 07:52 nosliw wrote:
Is there a reason why people like 2x 4gb memory instead of 1x 8GB


Dual channel.

Meaning if one fails at least you have a backup?

This particular CPU has enough wiring to the outside for two "channels" of memory. If you fill both channels with similar amount of memory, it will always read and write to two memory sticks at once, doubling the speed for that.

When you build your PC, the motherboard's manual will have a recommendation about which slots to put your memory sticks in. That's about that dual channel stuff.
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Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
December 03 2013 11:42 GMT
#2706
I previously had this set-up A-B-A-B with a total of 12GB DDR3 1600 and everything was the same except the size of the modules.

2x4GB A-A
2x2GB B-B

How would this configuration be running with them set to xmp 1.0 at 1600mhz.
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iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
December 03 2013 11:59 GMT
#2707
You will still get dual-channel, except that performance will be ever slightly lower (like less than 2% in some programs) than if all the sticks were 4GB.
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Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-03 12:17:05
December 03 2013 12:15 GMT
#2708
There's a tiny chip with the standard profiles and XMP profiles on each memory stick. I don't know what the board does exactly. Perhaps it simply uses the profiles of the first stick it looks at? That's how I would have done it if tasked to program the code for that part of the BIOS.

If it works like that, you'd want to arrange the sticks so that the slower memory gets looked at first.

If I understood it right, dual channel should work from start to finish of all 12GB if both channels are filled with 6GB RAM instead of 4GB in one and 8GB in the other.

Your board probably shows what timings it got out of the profiles. I can see that if I look at the screen with the manual timing settings. It shows what it wants to use as a grayed out number next to the input fields (all set to "Auto"). Those darkened numbers change immediately (without restart) when I change the profile or MHz.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-03 13:30:10
December 03 2013 12:19 GMT
#2709
If I understood it right, dual channel should work from start to finish if both channels are filled with 6GB RAM instead of 4GB in one and 8GB in the other.


Think of it like Raid 0

If you have:

2gb+4gb

2gb+4gb


You write/read like this:

2gb+2gb

2gb+2gb

and then run out of data on the left side, so you can only write:

0gb+2gb

0gb+2gb

and get bandwidth cut in half

Or wait, maybe i'm completely wrong because you can only write to one module per channel at a time
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Rollin
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia1552 Posts
December 03 2013 16:45 GMT
#2710
On December 03 2013 20:59 iTzSnypah wrote:
You will still get dual-channel, except that performance will be ever slightly lower (like less than 2% in some programs) than if all the sticks were 4GB.

I read that only some motherboards support dual channel with asymmetric channel sizes. Maybe they meant in the one channel, but it didn't seem like it to me.
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
December 04 2013 04:49 GMT
#2711
One "sets up" while the other performs its thing so it reduces a little bit of overhead and slightly improves things.
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-04 05:16:32
December 04 2013 05:15 GMT
#2712
Question if anyone can answer this for me real quick is this motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=13-157-372&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&Pagesize=10&PurchaseMark=&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=&IsFeedbackTab=true&Page=2#scrollFullInfo

(ASRock Z87 Extreme3) support the i7 4930k or no?

I know it supports the i7 4770k, but honestly I can get that other one for only 60$ more just if it doesn't support motherboard obviously not going to get it. And I want to say it probably doesn't, but just want to verify :D
When I think of something else, something will go here
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
December 04 2013 05:16 GMT
#2713
No, Z87 does not support 4930k. 4930k requires X79.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-04 05:17:28
December 04 2013 05:17 GMT
#2714
k thought so just wanted to verify thank you sir . Also that was a super fast response :D
When I think of something else, something will go here
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
December 04 2013 15:22 GMT
#2715
is not worth paying more for the 4930k unless it's very close, and you personally want to utilize the extra cores, because even on a deal like that it's often $60 more for 4930k, and then like $200 extra on a good mobo. It's not worth paying that kind of price extra unless you know its capabilities well and want to use it, because it's worse in some regards (last gen architecture)

Are you upgrading to Haswell, blade?
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-04 16:31:02
December 04 2013 15:36 GMT
#2716
Yeah I'm getting that i7 4770k for 115$. Want it for streaming to and I have a mobo that supports it.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
December 04 2013 17:22 GMT
#2717
Retail edge? Man I'm jealous
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
December 04 2013 19:56 GMT
#2718
Haha yeah thank god for hp
When I think of something else, something will go here
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
December 04 2013 20:15 GMT
#2719
Thank god for this thread =P

My motherboard has arrived. Time to double check notes, ensure I have the right websites open, and commence to get this thing built.

On the software front, any opinions on the BlackViper services list? Useful, not worth it, etc?
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nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
December 05 2013 18:03 GMT
#2720
Would this be a good board for i5-3550? I know I don't need Z77, but the price is around $50 after rebate. Thanks,
http://www.frys.com/product/7054491
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