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Evire
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Norway198 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-12 11:32:24
August 12 2013 11:29 GMT
#81
My mobo is very secretive. Only shows auto for everything x.x

EDIT: Says that it is 1.776, I guess thats kinda 1.8
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
August 12 2013 11:37 GMT
#82
@Evire:

There's an Asus guide for overclocking Haswell, I think. You might want to search for that. Perhaps look in their forums or those "asus rog (republic of gamers)" forums.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Evire
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Norway198 Posts
August 12 2013 11:39 GMT
#83
On August 12 2013 20:37 Ropid wrote:
@Evire:

There's an Asus guide for overclocking Haswell, I think. You might want to search for that. Perhaps look in their forums or those "asus rog (republic of gamers)" forums.


I did and I watched the youtube video. He never chanced VCCIN in the video or cache voltages.

I booted into windows, running tests.
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
August 12 2013 11:42 GMT
#84
Here's a graphic of how the voltages tie together: http://www.eteknix.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/IDF_Haswell_4-1024x766.jpg
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20340 Posts
August 12 2013 12:14 GMT
#85
It's important to change vrin especially at high or low overclocks, it can make you require significantly less vcore for stability, the default of 1.8 + vdroop doesn't work perfectly for everything

I still don't know asus settings, bios and names very well at all though. I know Gigabyte like the back of my hand, easily spent a hundred hours or two talking about them and messing around in bios/os in the last few months
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
mav451
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1596 Posts
August 12 2013 16:41 GMT
#86
You should probably update the first post with everything you've learned so far :p
With no power comes no responsibility?
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20340 Posts
August 12 2013 16:55 GMT
#87
Probably.. It's a wreck T-T
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Evire
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Norway198 Posts
August 12 2013 17:22 GMT
#88
I'm running 4.3ghz with 1.15 vcore, really awesome. Do I just try setting the multiplier higher until it fails, and then add more vcore? If I increase vcore with 0.05, then how much would you increase uncore with? And would you increase the uncore ration proportionally with the vcore ratio?
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20340 Posts
August 12 2013 17:28 GMT
#89
I'm running 4.3ghz with 1.15 vcore, really awesome. Do I just try setting the multiplier higher until it fails, and then add more vcore? If I increase vcore with 0.05, then how much would you increase uncore with? And would you increase the uncore ration proportionally with the vcore ratio?


I'm running 4.3ghz with 1.15 vcore, really awesome. Do I just try setting the multiplier higher until it fails, and then add more vcore?

^Yea. Keep VRIN 0.5 above Vcore if in doubt too, with llc on it.


If I increase vcore with 0.05, then how much would you increase uncore with?

^Don't increase vcore that much at once, use smallest amounts you can. Leave uncore at 34x for now and ring/cache volts at 1.1. You gotta stress test properly


And would you increase the uncore ration proportionally with the vcore ratio?

^You don't have to clock it as high as the CPU, and it's more difficult to clock to a certain point (like i'm running 4.7 core but getting uncore past 4.4 would be a lot of trouble)

Focus on core stability first, see what you can do, what temperatures you have, make sure performance is correct with cinebench 11.5 (and set it above normal or high/realtime priority) and then raise uncore later
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Evire
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Norway198 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-12 21:07:43
August 12 2013 20:46 GMT
#90
I had to pump the vcore really hard to get a stable 4.5GHz, right now I have 1.2 volts because it crashed with 1.195. Maybe I should change some of the other settings? I notice in your first post that you changed a lot of other different voltages, can I do the same to achieve stability at a lower voltage? My CPU is close to 85celcius
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20340 Posts
August 12 2013 21:46 GMT
#91
+0.05 for 200mhz is not pumping vcore hard, it's actually really good, and 4.5 stable on 1.2vcore is great assuming it's actually stable. What are you testing with, and where are you getting the 85c from?

Not much else to do aside from adding +0.05 on digital io volts and 1.7 vrin
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Evire
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Norway198 Posts
August 12 2013 21:53 GMT
#92
I'm running CCT (? program you recommended) and getting 82C in HWmonitor. My CPU fan is really weird because one core is above 80, second one is below, and third and forth are closer to 70C
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20340 Posts
August 12 2013 22:07 GMT
#93
Aa, did i say that to you? Sorry lots of people and confusing

You running linpack with avx unchecked in OCCT?
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Evire
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Norway198 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-13 15:01:03
August 13 2013 07:37 GMT
#94
On August 13 2013 07:07 Cyro wrote:
Aa, did i say that to you? Sorry lots of people and confusing

You running linpack with avx unchecked in OCCT?


Yes. Computer actually crashed after 2 hours testing

EDIT: Looks stalbe 4.5GHz with 1.215 vcore

EDIT2: Crashed around 2 hours, lol. Changing to 1.218

EDIT3: The 4.5GHz at 1.25 seemed stable after 2 hours of stress testing, but the moment i load up OBS and try to stream som PayDay 2 it crashed after 5 minutes. I thought stress tests would be way more demanding that streaming.
Evire
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Norway198 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-13 15:25:54
August 13 2013 15:25 GMT
#95
Sorry for making two posts in a row but

Seems like my OC is stable with stress test but streaming games seem to crash it. Is this a problem with OBS, or am I looking at other parts of my computer failing? I have not OC'd anything else, stock on GPU.
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
August 13 2013 15:43 GMT
#96
Yeah, you're wasting your time with stress tests, frankly. You should look at x264 video encoding or other real programs that you can use easily for a test. I've seen people mention the Folding@Home CPU client. Someone uses a chess engine. Also, when things run seemingly stable, take a look at the Windows event viewer and see if there's "WHEA warnings" showing up. Those don't crash the PC but they can be made to disappear by tweaking the overclock settings.

Old experiences from Ivy Bridge and Sandy Bridge are probably a bit worthless, but even with that, stress tests were not that good when only running short tests. For me with Ivy Bridge, there were errors that only showed up after 12 hours of prime95 and things like that. Only after I got prime95 to run indefinitely were games running perfectly stable. In hindsight, it was probably a waste of time with the hours of stress tests.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Evire
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Norway198 Posts
August 13 2013 18:55 GMT
#97
On August 14 2013 00:43 Ropid wrote:
I've seen people mention the Folding@Home CPU client.


Tried it and it ran for 30 minutes without any problems or errors that I could see. Still crashed when I ran OBS together with SC2. Its not OBS nor SC2's fail cause it crashes in other games too, I even tried 4.2GHz without any luck
mav451
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1596 Posts
August 14 2013 05:02 GMT
#98
On August 13 2013 16:37 Evire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 07:07 Cyro wrote:
Aa, did i say that to you? Sorry lots of people and confusing

You running linpack with avx unchecked in OCCT?


Yes. Computer actually crashed after 2 hours testing

EDIT: Looks stalbe 4.5GHz with 1.215 vcore

EDIT2: Crashed around 2 hours, lol. Changing to 1.218

EDIT3: The 4.5GHz at 1.25 seemed stable after 2 hours of stress testing, but the moment i load up OBS and try to stream som PayDay 2 it crashed after 5 minutes. I thought stress tests would be way more demanding that streaming.


Lol you should ask Cyro about getting x264 stable.
If you are going to be streaming, your stress-testing will need to include encoders. It's going to require a bit more conservative clock then say a game-stable OC :p
With no power comes no responsibility?
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20340 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-14 05:39:38
August 14 2013 05:34 GMT
#99
EDIT3: The 4.5GHz at 1.25 seemed stable after 2 hours of stress testing, but the moment i load up OBS and try to stream som PayDay 2 it crashed after 5 minutes. I thought stress tests would be way more demanding that streaming.


You're confused because linpack/prime don't actually work too well for determining stability, i had to go from ~1.285 to ~1.315 after my ibt(linpack) pic and when i was unstable before, i could pass 48h prime. People are reporting everywhere being able to pass stress tests, but failing in games, and also x264

If you are going to be streaming, your stress-testing will need to include encoders. It's going to require a bit more conservative clock then say a game-stable OC :p


Some games aparantly a lot harder on the CPU than linpack. As a basis for stress testing now i think i throw avx off and use linpack for cpu (to see if everything works, i didn't find anything good for determining a final vcore), prime custom blend with 7000MB RAM (lower fft lengh if i want to short test, like 1 min if i'm gonna leave it an hour or 10 min for overnight) for RAM stability (didn't try memtest yet, but bad ram settings seem to mess up prime really fast, wasn't sure what to test with)

And then, avx toggled back on for real world usage, x264, gaming, benchmarks, etc.

For you i'd say either just add a bit of vcore or drop a core multiplier. It's confusing though - if you can pass 2 hours @1.21vcore but still fail at 1.24? I didn't see that happen personally. Did you increase VRIN a little bit again (like 1.7 to 1.75)

Only after I got prime95 to run indefinitely were games running perfectly stable.


The difference was with ivy, if you could pass all fft lenghs, you were generally good for everything. With haswell, you pass all fft lenghs in a 24 hour test, and then open x264 and fail within 30 seconds
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
August 15 2013 05:07 GMT
#100
On August 13 2013 16:37 Evire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 07:07 Cyro wrote:
Aa, did i say that to you? Sorry lots of people and confusing

You running linpack with avx unchecked in OCCT?


Yes. Computer actually crashed after 2 hours testing

EDIT: Looks stalbe 4.5GHz with 1.215 vcore

EDIT2: Crashed around 2 hours, lol. Changing to 1.218

EDIT3: The 4.5GHz at 1.25 seemed stable after 2 hours of stress testing, but the moment i load up OBS and try to stream som PayDay 2 it crashed after 5 minutes. I thought stress tests would be way more demanding that streaming.


stress tests test heat tolerance and certain instruction sets that really push CPU load and the stress tests are more demanding than streaming PayDay 2 using OBS, but the difference is that streaming PayDay 2 using OBS probably makes use of more different instruction sets than the stress test

I also think using stress tests with AVX is overrated because it does not represent real world at all and is just useful for really pushing core temperatures which helps reveal temperature related overclock issues, but doesn't help reveal issues for real world applications
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