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On June 26 2013 20:47 Rollin wrote:
Actually strengthening of the core muscles can help with back pain tremendously, especially if it comes from sitting down or posture related issues. Have you tried incorporating regular swimming into your schedule, that is absolutely amazing for back pain. Heavy weight lifting could potentially cause further damage though, as you say.
I sit in a chair most of the day, and doing basic core muscle exercises (e.g., http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/core-strength/SM00047) has definitely helped out my lower back. If you're sitting down most of the day, I highly, highly recommend you slice out half an hour out of each day to do these.
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On June 28 2013 02:49 Kambing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 20:47 Rollin wrote:
Actually strengthening of the core muscles can help with back pain tremendously, especially if it comes from sitting down or posture related issues. Have you tried incorporating regular swimming into your schedule, that is absolutely amazing for back pain. Heavy weight lifting could potentially cause further damage though, as you say. I sit in a chair most of the day, and doing basic core muscle exercises (e.g., http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/core-strength/SM00047) has definitely helped out my lower back. If you're sitting down most of the day, I highly, highly recommend you slice out half an hour out of each day to do these.
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He has a closed parens at the end of his link. Just take it out and it works 
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On June 28 2013 00:44 Alryk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 16:10 Medivac wrote:
I've had a ton of lower back pain from sitting lately. Anybody have any luck with a lumbar cushion? I sit for the majority of my 12 hour shifts at work, and I game a lot at home in a cheap chair. Actually, like others have said, working out can definitely help with back and neck pain. As long as you don't way overdo it and try to lift way more than you're capable of, you can benefit a bunch from it. Well I'm pretty convinced against dxracer now... As one other asked, is there a decent goto chair below 500$? I saw the ergohuman but I didn't like the look  Or are the Steelcase chairs really just that much higher quality? I can afford the leap, think (or gesture? That one looks cool to me) but I'm just wondering if the price increase is really worth it. Edit: it seems like my limited research says the answer is no but I'm certainly still open to suggestions.
Worth it over what?
The Leap isn't all that expensive, just saying. It's ~$900 regularly priced but Steelcase typically does 15% semi-annual sales twice a year and 10% holiday sales twice a year. They also offer free shipping both ways and have a lifetime warranty (with certain things like foam/fabric and mechanisms exempt, having a twelve year warranty instead). Their support is awesome but that should be a given for any of these companies (I would hope).
A basic Aeron costs less but that's because it lacks adjustable arms, adjustable lumbar, and tilt adjustments. When you add all of that in, it's practically the same price as a Leap. Plus you have to select an appropriate size chair for yourself which is a daunting task and means the chair is going to suck for other people different than you in size.
The Ergohuman is ~$700 with a lifetime warranty (certain things like foam are exempt, five year warranty).
A Humanscale Freedom is ~$1500 while their Liberty is ~$1200. Fifteen year warranty.
Knoll's ReGeneration is also another option but it costs about the same as the Leap and Aeron. Carries the typical twelve year warranty like the Aeron (and Steelcase).
There's also Teknion which is a Canadian company. Their AL3 is $2000+, their Contessa is $1500+, their Leap equivalent is ~$900. I wanted one but too much of a hassle to drive everywhere since they don't sell online )=
disclaimer: pricing and things may have changed over the years but that's what it was like when I was buying a chair
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Wow thanks a ton for all of that. You have a leap V2 right? What are the main differences between it and a leap v1?
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Main differences would be that the V2 has better armrests, better back, and that the seat edge flex is automatic rather than manual.
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Great, thanks a ton skyr. You continue to rock :D
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Looks like Ergohuman is the way to go. Thanks a lot SkyR. Do you own one may I ask?
I actually wrote a lot earlier this year in this thread. But had exams. And no I did not buy a chair yet. And that's why I am back now.
I study all day. Basically. I'm in med school. Come home from lectures and seminars around 2pm then study until 8 or 9 pm. My neck has been aching because of this. I swim every 2nd day. This helps a lot actually. Especially to strengthen my back muscles. Aiming for the upper cervical region.
The problem I have had with most chairs is that the back is straight and or it does not have good lumbar support and usually the arms are not adjustable.
SkyR. Could you recommend an Ergohuman chair for me? I spend most of my time in a chair either studying or gaming with the few hours I can manage to take off my work.
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On July 10 2013 19:59 llIH wrote:Looks like Ergohuman is the way to go. Thanks a lot SkyR. Do you own one may I ask? I actually wrote a lot earlier this year in this thread. But had exams. And no I did not buy a chair yet. And that's why I am back now. I study all day. Basically. I'm in med school. Come home from lectures and seminars around 2pm then study until 8 or 9 pm. My neck has been aching because of this. I swim every 2nd day. This helps a lot actually. Especially to strengthen my back muscles. Aiming for the upper cervical region. The problem I have had with most chairs is that the back is straight and or it does not have good lumbar support and usually the arms are not adjustable. SkyR. Could you recommend an Ergohuman chair for me? I spend most of my time in a chair either studying or gaming with the few hours I can manage to take off my work.
Not to toot my own horn, but I did a review of the Ergohuman V1 back on page 12. It provides some great lumbar support, arms are adjustable, and it's just an all-round great chair. It depends whether you like mesh chairs or not though.
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On July 10 2013 19:59 llIH wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Looks like Ergohuman is the way to go. Thanks a lot SkyR. Do you own one may I ask? I actually wrote a lot earlier this year in this thread. But had exams. And no I did not buy a chair yet. And that's why I am back now. I study all day. Basically. I'm in med school. Come home from lectures and seminars around 2pm then study until 8 or 9 pm. My neck has been aching because of this. I swim every 2nd day. This helps a lot actually. Especially to strengthen my back muscles. Aiming for the upper cervical region. The problem I have had with most chairs is that the back is straight and or it does not have good lumbar support and usually the arms are not adjustable. SkyR. Could you recommend an Ergohuman chair for me? I spend most of my time in a chair either studying or gaming with the few hours I can manage to take off my work.
I have a Steelcase Leap.
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So after googling around for a bit I found a seller for used chairs here in Germany. I have the choice between a Herman Miller Aeron with Pellicle and height-adjustable armrests for around 600€, a fully loaded Herman Miller Mirra for 450€ and a Steelcase Leap v2 fully loaded for 400€. Judging from skyR's praise I'm almost set for the Leap, especially since it's even cheaper than the rest, problem is I don't have a way to test it beforehand, since all the Steelcase-dealers in my area don't have it in stock.
I've tried both Herman Millers and liked them a lot, very comfortable and adjustable plus I like the design better than the Leap's. Then again, 200€ just for the design seems a bit steep. Has anyone compared the Millers against the Leap directly and is able to point out the key differences between them? The Aeron and Mirra were both size B, and as far as I can tell there is only one size for the Leap, right?
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I'm going to check out the Leap a little more. And thanks Celeritas. I read your review. I will definetly consider that one. But right now I am aiming towards Leap because I trust skyR more than anything right now :D
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One key difference between the Aeron and Leap are their recline systems. Leap's is way better, not being bias or anything. It's actually a real recline where the seat slides forward as you recline allowing your feet and butt to stay leveled which allows you to work comfortably in a reclined position. You're also changing posture as you recline so this is good as sitting in the same position for a long time is not good for you. Aeron's is ... like a rocking chair where the seat and back always maintain a close to 90 degree angle and the armrests are attached to the back so they angle upwards as you recline, which is mildly annoying.
Aeron also does not have an adjustable seat depth and its armrests lack forward/backwards adjustment.
Also, this is ymmv. If you don't always sit with good posture then the Aeron might not be comfortable for you (eg. crossing your legs, sitting on your foot or just having your foot on the seat, etc).
Buy from somewhere with a good return policy as working / gaming for prolonged periods at your desk is very different than just sitting at the store doing nothing for a few minutes. Don't blindly buy a Leap with no return policy because of what I say -.-
Steelcase has a try it before you buy it in North America, free shipping both ways (may not be free for Canada) just so you know if you're considering it.
As for Ergohuman, not much to say since I never considered them after finding out that their shipping fee to Canada is ~$200 (Steelcase was $50) and they don't cover any shipping fees for RMA / exchange / refund.
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For what it's worth, appears to be a pretty glorious 4th of july sale going on here that (appears?) to still be going on: (http://www.madisonseating.com/last-call-summer-sale.html)
However, I have a broader question: I am a tall and thin guy, about 6'4", 170 lbs. I have the following problems with chairs:
1.) In most chairs, my legs form a <90 angle, because my knees end up higher than my ass. The distance from the soles of my feet to my knees is significantly longer than 20", which is about what most chairs offer.
2.) Standard lower and upper back support ends up in my ass/middle back, respectively.
...aaand, probably some other issues that are not as obvious to me. There are lots of sites out there for big + tall people. They do not work for me - I am, sadly, only tall. Having a giant wide chair is of no interest.
Some of you fine TL folk must have the same problem - what sort of chair would you recommend?
Thanks!
-Cross
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Humanscales outfitted with a high cylinder have a height of somewhere around 30" and the Steelcase Leap Stool also has a height around there though your back problem may persist as their backs are .. not that high?
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On July 11 2013 00:17 skyR wrote:
Humanscales outfitted with a high cylinder have a height of somewhere around 30" and the Steelcase Leap Stool also has a height around there though your back problem may persist as their backs are .. not that high?
Thanks for the link to humanscales - it seems like you can indeed get a tall cylinder chair there...but none of the other dimensions of the chair change - such as where the back support is, etc.
Same with the steelcase stools - the back support there is still for normal-sized people, they're just expecting that their feet won't hit the ground.
Given that I'm unlikely to be able to find a reasonable sale on custom-made chairs, I'd like to make sure dang near everything is perfect - any chairs where the whole of them are designed for tall people?
-Cross
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On July 10 2013 23:44 skyR wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
One key difference between the Aeron and Leap are their recline systems. Leap's is way better, not being bias or anything. It's actually a real recline where the seat slides forward as you recline allowing your feet and butt to stay leveled which allows you to work comfortably in a reclined position. You're also changing posture as you recline so this is good as sitting in the same position for a long time is not good for you. Aeron's is ... like a rocking chair where the seat and back always maintain a 90 degree angle and the armrests are attached to the back so they angle upwards as you recline, which is mildly annoying.
Aeron also does not have an adjustable seat depth and its armrests lack forward/backwards adjustment.
Also, this is ymmv. If you don't always sit with good posture then the Aeron might not be comfortable for you (eg. crossing your legs, sitting on your foot or just having your foot on the seat, etc).
Buy from somewhere with a good return policy as working / gaming for prolonged periods at your desk is very different than just sitting at the store doing nothing for a few minutes. Don't blindly buy a Leap with no return policy because of what I say -.-
Steelcase has a try it before you buy it in North America, free shipping both ways (may not be free for Canada) just so you know if you're considering it.
As for Ergohuman, not much to say since I never considered them after finding out that their shipping fee to Canada is ~$200 (Steelcase was $50) and they don't cover any shipping fees for RMA / exchange / refund.
Well that about settles it for me. Thankfully there is a law here that requires every commercial seller online to accept returns within 14 days so there's that risk eliminated. The seat depth is something that bothers me with the current IKEA chair I use and while it was less pronounced on the Aeron I tried, having a fully adjustable one seems better to me.
Thanks again for your input skyR, I will report back when I receive mine
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The one annoying thing with the Aeron is the hard plastic lip on the front of the chair. It can be annoying if the chair isnt adjusted to the right height since it puts pressure on the back of your leg. Unfortunately my desk is too high for my liking so the seat has to be a bit higher to compensate for that.
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