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JugJug
Profile Joined November 2010
United States37 Posts
May 03 2012 03:45 GMT
#321
i just spazzed out and bought a dell b/c i was so frustrated w/my indecision. of course, i got screwed when i found out i had to pay tax on it, but i was too stubborn to reverse my decision at that point.

Dell S2330MX Black 23" $179.99

w/tax, my deal came out to like $192. oh well.
JugJug
Profile Joined November 2010
United States37 Posts
May 04 2012 21:39 GMT
#322
so, i order the dell monitor wednesday night at like 9pm w/free shipping which is estimated like 7 days.

they update my shipping to estimated 2 day or so with the fedex tracking.

so awesome right? i have my last school thing over today at noon and get to come home to my brand new monitor.

but no, fedex decides they want to try to deliver at 10:30 am when no one is ever home, and they don't leave it b/c it's sig required.

i call at 1 to have them leave it at the office so i can go pick it up as they should have plenty of time since it's still early. but of course that won't work since it makes too much sense. i have the option for them to take it to the fedex office for me to pick up on monday or try to rediliver monday.

freaking a man... freaking a. i get to spend all weekend playing starcraft now that finals are over knowing my new monitor is chilling out in some crappy, hot, and humid warehouse somewhere.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 04 2012 22:02 GMT
#323
It's funny that you feel so entitled and have absolutely zero clue how delivery works. Delivery routes start as early as 5am and go for until everything is delivered, which sometimes can be like 9pm...
JugJug
Profile Joined November 2010
United States37 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-04 22:30:46
May 04 2012 22:29 GMT
#324
On May 05 2012 07:02 skyR wrote:
It's funny that you feel so entitled and have absolutely zero clue how delivery works. Delivery routes start as early as 5am and go for until everything is delivered, which sometimes can be like 9pm...


so, they get in the truck early, and then drive around and deliver stuff until they're done? you're right, i had no idea.

regardless, i do know that an efficient system would have a way for the last stop to be them dropping everything off at a fedex location for people like me. it could even be just one location that may or may not be super close to me specifically. this kind of stuff happens all the time, and theme being able to leave it at fedex for me after the first attempt would likely be better for them in the long run instead of a minimum of one extra trip back to my house.

but yeah...i'll end the delivery discussion now since this is a monitor thread, and i probably shouldn't have used this thread to vent my frustration.
MoneyHypeMike
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada305 Posts
May 06 2012 02:59 GMT
#325
I am thinking of buying the BenQ XL2024TX.

Would anyone here have it and could give me some feedback on it?
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-06 05:10:33
May 06 2012 03:42 GMT
#326
No idea about the 3D, because most people don't care about it since its kind of hit and miss. I think nVidia 3D is definitely more reliable than the TriDef stuff considering Samsung's post-sale software support is piss poor in just about everything they do. As far as I know, the TriDef software updates haven't been provided by Samsung since release. This is a problem since I believe TriDef is not free.

I've used it before at a friend's place to test the 3D out. Its a pretty typical 120hz screen so good for gaming. Its also one of the few that has height adjustment, which I think is absolutely essential for expensive TN screens (refer to viewing angle picture).

Stock settings are rather poor but that's what you expect from a gaming monitor. You probably won't notice unless you really try go looking for them. Also, its using a matte coating so if you hate matte coatings, don't get it. Lots of inputs and scaling too; the other features are kind of useless however since they're locked to specific presets and settings. They do kind of work but I wouldn't bother using them though.

So sparknotes if you don't want to dig through reviews:
+ Show Spoiler [Size of pictures] +
Response:
[image loading]

Note: AMA is BenQ's pixel response booster. Actually pretty good. Not as good as the Samsungs but a billion times better than the BenQ XL2410.

Contrast:
900:1 to around 1000:1. So its pretty typical and meets the quoted specs. Ignore the dynamic contrast ratio because dynamic contrast never works properly.

Black point hovers between 0.15 (0% brightness) and 0.4 (100% brightness) depending on backlight brightness. Lower the backlight brightness, the better your black depth.

Viewing angles:
[image loading]

Absolutely trash but its what you expect. Height adjustment can solve most of your issues.

Input lag:
6-8ms so its lower than the Samsung's, which hover around 10-12ms. TFT Central's results are wrong. Prad.de's results are the ones you should trust since they have proper equipment. Other people have tested the input lag and hasn't exceeded 10ms either so I have no idea what TFT Central did.


This should be a pretty good user review though its not completed yet. He should actually test the 3D settings and offer from recommended settings to minimize stuff like crosstalking. Keep in mind the user really, really hates matte screens so don't take his complaints about image quality too seriously.

You can also look for Prad.de and TFTCentral as well since they actually test the monitor properly. I'm convinced TFTCentral is wrong since no one, including Prad.de who have proper multi-thousand dollar oscilloscopes to test input lag, has measured input lag as high as them.
Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
May 06 2012 04:49 GMT
#327
On May 05 2012 07:29 JugJug wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 07:02 skyR wrote:
It's funny that you feel so entitled and have absolutely zero clue how delivery works. Delivery routes start as early as 5am and go for until everything is delivered, which sometimes can be like 9pm...


so, they get in the truck early, and then drive around and deliver stuff until they're done? you're right, i had no idea.

regardless, i do know that an efficient system would have a way for the last stop to be them dropping everything off at a fedex location for people like me. it could even be just one location that may or may not be super close to me specifically. this kind of stuff happens all the time, and theme being able to leave it at fedex for me after the first attempt would likely be better for them in the long run instead of a minimum of one extra trip back to my house.

but yeah...i'll end the delivery discussion now since this is a monitor thread, and i probably shouldn't have used this thread to vent my frustration.


Lol just be glad your monitor did not get stolen in the mail. I had ordered a 24' monitor last year but it got "lost" in delivery. I had no insurance on the delivery so I had to buy anothet monitor at full price... Fuck!
GL HF... YOLO..lololollol.
Riffandroll
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada71 Posts
May 06 2012 21:41 GMT
#328
Howdy,

I can get a LG E2360 for 150$. Is this a good deal all considering? Thx ya'll :-D
To forget one's purpose is the commonest form of stupidity. - Nietzsche
Terranist
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2496 Posts
May 07 2012 05:36 GMT
#329
On May 03 2012 12:45 JugJug wrote:
i just spazzed out and bought a dell b/c i was so frustrated w/my indecision. of course, i got screwed when i found out i had to pay tax on it, but i was too stubborn to reverse my decision at that point.

Dell S2330MX Black 23" $179.99

w/tax, my deal came out to like $192. oh well.


it's still a really good monitor all things considered.
The Show of a Lifetime
JugJug
Profile Joined November 2010
United States37 Posts
May 07 2012 18:31 GMT
#330
On May 07 2012 14:36 Terranist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2012 12:45 JugJug wrote:
i just spazzed out and bought a dell b/c i was so frustrated w/my indecision. of course, i got screwed when i found out i had to pay tax on it, but i was too stubborn to reverse my decision at that point.

Dell S2330MX Black 23" $179.99

w/tax, my deal came out to like $192. oh well.


it's still a really good monitor all things considered.


it came in today, and i'm very happy with it so far.
Chrono000
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Korea (South)358 Posts
May 14 2012 13:18 GMT
#331
I'm using a 21" 4:3 CRT still and it's actually awesome... but due to space I'm changing and its hard to find a 21" 2ms 4:3 anywhere, anyone seen one for sale?.

Now I'm switching to the AOC 919Vz below, a smaller monitor but least its 4:3.

[image loading]

Mind you, it isn't cheap at $170-$180 and only marginally competitive to the specs of current widescreens now.

I still love the square over the rectangle....
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-14 13:36:18
May 14 2012 13:31 GMT
#332
If you've read the OP, specs don't matter. Near 100% of monitors miss their rated specs by a country mile. They give you an idea of what technology it uses...that's about it. Chances are you are going to hate the shit out of that screen since you are a CRT user.

Edit:
Yeah I hope you didn't buy that. Because its an ancient 1280 x 1024 TN monitor that will 100% fail to meet any of the specs it provides. If you must have 4:3 support, just get a monitor that can scale it.
Chrono000
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Korea (South)358 Posts
May 14 2012 22:45 GMT
#333
If you've read the OP, specs don't matter. Near 100% of monitors miss their rated specs by a country mile. They give you an idea of what technology it uses...that's about it. Chances are you are going to hate the shit out of that screen since you are a CRT user.

Edit:
Yeah I hope you didn't buy that. Because its an ancient 1280 x 1024 TN monitor that will 100% fail to meet any of the specs it provides. If you must have 4:3 support, just get a monitor that can scale it.


oh noo... I've spent a lot of time trying to understand the specs and to me it sounded like a decent screen... I hope at least it does live up to the specs cause I've already bought it.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-14 23:20:18
May 14 2012 23:17 GMT
#334
It won't. I thought I made it clear that basically everything listed by the manufacturer is false. The only 4:3 screen that was particularly good was that NEC IPS monitor and maybe some Dell Ultrasharps.

First things first: specsheets are fairly useless. The reason behind this is the majority of the time, it is always false especially after proper calibration. The three common misleading specs are generally contrast ratio, dynamic contrast ratio, and response time. No manufacturer ever mentions anything about input lag.

The most specsheets can do is give you an idea of the technologies used. Like if they suggest 1000:1 contrast ratio, its definitely not using a VA panel; likewise if they don't specify 178/178 degree viewing angles, it is definitely using a TN panel.


If you had bought a S-PVA or S-IPS 4:3 monitor, you'd get away with a pretty decent to great monitor but this is neither. Its a $180 TN monitor beyond its use-by date. I don't know why you'd buy something rare like this without asking someone whether its good or not.
m1rk3
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada412 Posts
May 14 2012 23:20 GMT
#335
On May 08 2012 03:31 JugJug wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2012 14:36 Terranist wrote:
On May 03 2012 12:45 JugJug wrote:
i just spazzed out and bought a dell b/c i was so frustrated w/my indecision. of course, i got screwed when i found out i had to pay tax on it, but i was too stubborn to reverse my decision at that point.

Dell S2330MX Black 23" $179.99

w/tax, my deal came out to like $192. oh well.


it's still a really good monitor all things considered.


it came in today, and i'm very happy with it so far.



why were you mad that you bought a 200 dollar monitor?
For the Dominion!
Bigtony
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1606 Posts
May 15 2012 02:03 GMT
#336
http://www.groupon.com/deals/gg-hp-elite-lcd-monitor?addxe=amF5Y2JpekBob3RtYWlsLmNvbQ==&utm_medium=email&utm_source=channel_goods-deals&sid=11174093&user=c8aa9479ab1f931693d48523fd6deddbdcb7585abb231b37e89073436801657a&utm_campaign=11174093&s=body&d=gg-hp-elite-lcd-monitor&p=2&c=deal_button

Any opinions on this monitor? I'm not really desperate for a new one, but the price is low and the size is right for my desk/needs. Is it worth the price? I can't find any reviews online.
Push 2 Harder
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
May 15 2012 02:49 GMT
#337
Its slow as shit because its MVA. Besides that it should be OK, maybe some black crushing if HP didn't do a good job on the calibration.
Wabbit
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1028 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-15 03:56:14
May 15 2012 03:54 GMT
#338
Wow, MVA for $140... that seems like a good deal to me or I just have not been familiar with monitor prices for long enough. I'm sooo tempted to get one and take it to work.... fed up with that POS they gave me (and everyone else for that matter).

NVM, DP only. Our machines are so bad, I need something that takes VGA.
The answers to most of your Tech Support questions are in the OP. That's why you're not getting a reply. It's been answered before. Read the OP.
Chrono000
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Korea (South)358 Posts
May 15 2012 04:59 GMT
#339
o well game over for me and my wallet then...
badugib
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States80 Posts
May 16 2012 19:34 GMT
#340
what do you guys think about the iiyama prolite g2773hs that will be coming out? its 27" 120hz 1ms response rate. I really am curious getting this. However, I guess I have to wait until someone posts the ghosting effects and input lag in this monitor. Digitalversus gave a short review, they say the color sucks, which I guess doesn't matter for me since I want to game with it, not oogle at pretty pictures. However, it BRIEFLY says the input lag is low, but no definitive evidence to back him up with it.
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