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On July 25 2011 17:54 Medrea wrote:
I use an MX518 with all mouse acceleration disabled and a mouse registry fix to completely remove accel because after 10 years microsoft still hasn't fixed that damn bug. The mouse comes with very very many accolades.
Yess you are right, I am sorry. I accidentally checked the wrong mouse (the g500 to be exact). I am sorry for righting BS >_>.
I would now recommend trying the mouse out at as many places as you can to see if the issue lies within the mouse or if your computer is the issue.
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Just looked it up. The g400 has a feature that changes the sensivity ingame. Maybe you can change it via reg edit if the config software doesn't help?
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On July 25 2011 17:57 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 17:54 Medrea wrote:
I use an MX518 with all mouse acceleration disabled and a mouse registry fix to completely remove accel because after 10 years microsoft still hasn't fixed that damn bug. The mouse comes with very very many accolades.
Yess you are right, I am sorry. I accidentally checked the wrong mouse (the g500 to be exact). I am sorry for righting BS >_>. I would now recommend trying the mouse out at as many places as you can to see if the issue lies within the mouse or if your computer is the issue.
He has this issue with his old MX518 and it is related to Starcraft 2 somehow. At this point I can't see how it could not be software issue. Two different mice having identical issues at the same time?
I did suggest he try a not logitech mouse. A friends mouse or anything, and see if the problem still happens. But a downright "go and buy a third mouse" isn't really a troubleshooting tactic.
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Just looked it up. The g400 has a feature that changes the sensivity ingame. Maybe you can change it via reg edit if the config software doesn't help?
Most logitech mice have a DPI changer button right on them. Is this what you are referring too? Or the actual drivers themselves?
I need to know for myself you know!
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On July 25 2011 17:59 Medrea wrote:
I did suggest he try a not logitech mouse. A friends mouse or anything, and see if the problem still happens. But a downright "go and buy a third mouse" isn't really a troubleshooting tactic.
The point is that the G400 is overall a bad mouse. In general you are right but I wouldn't recommend this mouse to someone that wants to game "hardcore", thats just what I was saying.
It still has angle snipping like the MX518 and it isn't really a long lasting one, either. I did some research for my mouse and I came across the G400, too, and what I read wasn't really that good. There are many mice that are way better and even cheaper than this one.
The configuration software of Logitech is not really fun, too. I had the MX518 for a long time before I actually cared for having a good mouse.
Most logitech mice have a DPI changer button right on them. Is this what you are referring too? Or the actual drivers themselves?
I need to know for myself you know!
No. The DPI shifter and the sensivity changing feature are two different things according to logitech.
I don't have the mouse here right now so I can't say where it exactly is, but it should say something like "In-Game Sensivity: x / y" if it is there.
To me it sounds like this causes the problem, that the drivers aren't doing exactly what they are supposed to. Or that windows f***s up the settings.
The other posters said all the standard things like the poll rate (lowering to 125 etc), which is a known issue for windows 7 (it randomly causes the mouse to speed up if it is too high, but just for a few secs)
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Okay, I did some research and found out that people had to play around with the settings until they finally solved the problem. Since I can't tell what the issue here really is I suggest trying to install the Logitech drivers "from scratch" and carefully change everything that is needed.
You can also try and see if the markC mousefix for windows 7 can help you out.
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Whoops, double posted instead of edit x.x' Sorry.
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On July 25 2011 18:15 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 17:59 Medrea wrote:
I did suggest he try a not logitech mouse. A friends mouse or anything, and see if the problem still happens. But a downright "go and buy a third mouse" isn't really a troubleshooting tactic.
The point is that the G400 is overall a bad mouse. In general you are right but I wouldn't recommend this mouse to someone that wants to game "hardcore", thats just what I was saying. It still has angle snipping like the MX518 and it isn't really a long lasting one, either. I did some research for my mouse and I came across the G400, too, and what I read wasn't really that good. There are many mice that are way better and even cheaper than this one. The configuration software of Logitech is not really fun, too. I had the MX518 for a long time before I actually cared for having a good mouse. Show nested quote +Most logitech mice have a DPI changer button right on them. Is this what you are referring too? Or the actual drivers themselves?
I need to know for myself you know! No. The DPI shifter and the sensivity changing feature are two different things according to logitech. I don't have the mouse here right now so I can't say where it exactly is, but it should say something like "In-Game Sensivity: x / y" if it is there. To me it sounds like this causes the problem, that the drivers aren't doing exactly what they are supposed to. Or that windows f***s up the settings. The other posters said all the standard things like the poll rate (lowering to 125 etc), which is a known issue for windows 7,
Yeah maybe this is it. To be honest the language of the OP made me think that he will be playing SC2 and then sometime in the middle the sensitivity will jump and then all hell breaks loose. But I could see the in-game sensitivity sensor thing is poorly adjusted. Same driver settings would back this theory up since it would apply across multiple mice.
I have my polling up to 512 because even at 512 rhythm games are hard to play and it translates to my mouse as well, normal polled mice actually feel really floaty now and my 518 goes where I want to immediately.
As an aside. What is the difference in a good mouse and a great mouse when the one I have now mx518, goes exactly where I want it to? Also, I am not sure if anyone has noticed but like, when I move my mouse around really quickly. Anyone ever notice it is only represented in like 4 or 5 different locations? How do I improve that? Are they related?
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On July 25 2011 18:25 Medrea wrote:
Yeah maybe this is it. To be honest the language of the OP made me think that he will be playing SC2 and then sometime in the middle the sensitivity will jump and then all hell breaks loose. But I could see the in-game sensitivity sensor thing is poorly adjusted. Same driver settings would back this theory up since it would apply across multiple mice.
I have my polling up to 512 because even at 512 rhythm games are hard to play and it translates to my mouse as well, normal polled mice actually feel really floaty now and my 518 goes where I want to immediately.
As an aside. What is the difference in a good mouse and a great mouse when the one I have now mx518, goes exactly where I want it to? Also, I am not sure if anyone has noticed but like, when I move my mouse around really quickly. Anyone ever notice it is only represented in like 4 or 5 different locations? How do I improve that? Are they related?
Well since the OP said he tried everything else out it hase to be something like that. But with Logitech you can never tell for sure  .
Let's wait and see if our posts help the OP out. I would really like to know what causes the issue here, normally mouse problems are way easier to solve XD.
And to your question:
The difference between a good and a REALLY GOOD mouse is the sensor. A good sensor has no prediction / angle snapping or drift control or other bs, acceleration and a solid malfunction rate ( how fast is the sensor able to track mousemovements?) and other important features.. But yea, thats another topic and you could discuss this for hours. xD
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On July 25 2011 18:32 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 18:25 Medrea wrote:
Yeah maybe this is it. To be honest the language of the OP made me think that he will be playing SC2 and then sometime in the middle the sensitivity will jump and then all hell breaks loose. But I could see the in-game sensitivity sensor thing is poorly adjusted. Same driver settings would back this theory up since it would apply across multiple mice.
I have my polling up to 512 because even at 512 rhythm games are hard to play and it translates to my mouse as well, normal polled mice actually feel really floaty now and my 518 goes where I want to immediately.
As an aside. What is the difference in a good mouse and a great mouse when the one I have now mx518, goes exactly where I want it to? Also, I am not sure if anyone has noticed but like, when I move my mouse around really quickly. Anyone ever notice it is only represented in like 4 or 5 different locations? How do I improve that? Are they related? Well since the OP said he tried everything else out it hase to be something like that. But with Logitech you can never tell for sure . Let's wait and see if our posts help the OP out. I would really like to know what causes the issue here, normally mouse problems are way easier to solve XD. And to your question: The difference between a good and a REALLY GOOD mouse is the sensor. A good sensor has no prediction / angle snapping or drift control or other bs, acceleration and a solid malfunction rate ( how fast is the sensor able to track mousemovements?) and other important features.. But yea, thats another topic and you could discuss this for hours. xD
Yeah AFAIK mx518 doesn't have anything that is complete bullshit that I can't turn off or mute with registry fixes.
Either way, what about increasing framerate of the mouse cursor itself? Google is no help here because framerate is a keyword linked to many other things. And changing mouse keywords usually bring up links to changing what shape the cursor is and other casual user tricks and whatnot.
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The thing is that it started happening for around 2 month ago so it cant be sc2? And it cant be my computer because I have both format and re-installed sc2. It cant be the mouse drivers neither because why did they work until 2 month ago and suddenly not work? I have even tried both my mx518 and g400 on another computer and it happens there too. My conclusion is that it is my sc2 account that is doing it :S another tell is that the "enable toast notifications" and "mature language filter" turns on when I have turned them off. It happens at random times too.
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On July 26 2011 21:37 Bloody wrote:
The thing is that it started happening for around 2 month ago so it cant be sc2? And it cant be my computer because I have both format and re-installed sc2. It cant be the mouse drivers neither because why did they work until 2 month ago and suddenly not work? I have even tried both my mx518 and g400 on another computer and it happens there too. My conclusion is that it is my sc2 account that is doing it :S another tell is that the "enable toast notifications" and "mature language filter" turns on when I have turned them off. It happens at random times too.
That's...... unusual.
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Facebook integration lol?
I use a 518 and it works great but I also have a lot of customizations and registry fixes applied so it works precisely the way I want it to. I guess this could happen to me so if someone has a solution for this I would like to know as well.
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Sorry, but where's your evidence that angle snapping/drift control/mouse correction is actually detrimental to play, and besides that, what's so bad about the G400?
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On July 27 2011 02:14 sanddbox_tl wrote:
Sorry, but where's your evidence that angle snapping/drift control/mouse correction is actually detrimental to play, and besides that, what's so bad about the G400?
Because it's inconsistent, and when you are practicing hours a day your body needs that consistency for you to perform with muscle memory. You miss half a milometer of a stroke, and it corrects it and suddenly your brain is confused.
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On July 27 2011 02:14 sanddbox_tl wrote:
Sorry, but where's your evidence that angle snapping/drift control/mouse correction is actually detrimental to play, and besides that, what's so bad about the G400?
Google, 5 minutes, and about 14 years of PC gaming expertise spanning hundreds of thousands of pro-gaming players.
I dunno about the G400 though.
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On July 27 2011 02:14 sanddbox_tl wrote:
Sorry, but where's your evidence that angle snapping/drift control/mouse correction is actually detrimental to play, and besides that, what's so bad about the G400?
As far as the G400 goes I can only say good things about it. I owned an MX510 for 5 years and figured it was time to get a new one.
The only reason I can think of someone not liking the G400 is because it's not symmetric, or they don't want a palm mouse.
As far as the performance of the mouse is concerened, it's been spot on for me.
There's a lot of anti-Logitech comments coming from KeksX, and while I respect his opinion on what makes a mouse good or not; I'm not convinced that most of this technical jargon is important. He said he wouldn't recommend this to a "hardcore" gamer, but anyone who games, even casually, knows you're not going to be defined by your mouse. A counter-strike pro is going to pwn me every time with a wireless laptop mouse. That's just the way it is.
For Bloody, whenever I use my friends computer the mouse is WAY too fast for me, but to him it's perfectly fine. So personal preference is what matters here. I have no clue why your sensitivity is changing mid game though. That only happens to me if I press the DPI changer. I think you should uninstall all the software you have installed for the mouse. Mine works fine and I didn't install anything with it.
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It's really uncommon to see any non casual gamer without at least acceleration turned off and the mouse registry fix. Also polling rate increased is really common. Those are the really really big ones.
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On July 27 2011 03:15 Phayze wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2011 02:14 sanddbox_tl wrote:
Sorry, but where's your evidence that angle snapping/drift control/mouse correction is actually detrimental to play, and besides that, what's so bad about the G400? Because it's inconsistent, and when you are practicing hours a day your body needs that consistency for you to perform with muscle memory. You miss half a milometer of a stroke, and it corrects it and suddenly your brain is confused.
They've tested it; it's a sufficiently small degree that you can't trigger it without intending to make a straight line in the first place.
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So at the moment do you have the logitech software installed or uninstalled? If it's uninstalled and having issues, I'd suggest installing the software and making sure the profile currently on the G400 has:
-1 dpi setting in the pointer section.
-The dpi changing buttons on the mouse either unbound or bound as some other function.
-The profile you want specifically burned to your mouse and with profile switching turned off.
If that doesn't work, when you reformatted did you make sure to back up the registry for your mouse if you used a fix, and then reinstalled it?
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what i do because i only use one dpi for counterstrike and sc2 is that i set it so that there is only one DPI option, unbind the DPI increase button, and just press the dpi down  everything is fine for me.
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Don't play with drivers with G400, just messes up.. just adjust your dpi on the buttons.. Im fine with that
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Maybe its the 1000hz polling rate you're not used to ;____;
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