EPTIt could be that the new software for this mouse do not have an option to change your sensitivity like setpoint had
Logitech G400 too fast
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Bloody
Sweden194 Posts
It could be that the new software for this mouse do not have an option to change your sensitivity like setpoint had | ||
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Bambipwnsu
Canada698 Posts
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Bloody
Sweden194 Posts
On July 24 2011 00:00 Bambipwnsu wrote: are you sure acceleration or "enhance pointer precision" is off? Yes it is. There is no accelaration option neither in the new software. | ||
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iNSiPiD1
United States140 Posts
The setup I'm using is the standard: Windows slider 6/11 SC2 sensitivity 51% 800dpi on mouse accel. off According to the descriptions on the box, it sounds like the G400 does not have acceleration as a feature, but I could be wrong. edit: They say the mouse has a "consistent response ratio" with a variance of <0.5%. Hence no acceleration is built into it. Also, I did not install any software for this mouse. Plug and play. | ||
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Bloody
Sweden194 Posts
On July 24 2011 00:29 iNSiPiD1 wrote: I just bought the G400 about two weeks ago, and compared to my MX510 it is faster, but I have found settings that work... The setup I'm using is the standard: Windows slider 6/11 SC2 sensitivity 51% 800dpi on mouse accel. off According to the descriptions on the box, it sounds like the G400 does not have acceleration as a feature, but I could be wrong. edit: They say the mouse has a "consistent response ratio" with a variance of <0.5%. Hence no acceleration is built into it. Also, I did not install any software for this mouse. Plug and play. :O How? I need to put my dpi down to 400 and sc2 sens down to 31% to be able to play (on 6/11) I think there is something wrong with either with my computer or my sc2. | ||
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CharlieBrownsc
Canada598 Posts
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SPooNiTe
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Medrea
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On July 24 2011 07:55 gdot5 wrote: Even if there is no mouse acceleration option in the mosue drivers, that doesn't mean it's not on. Windows has it's own. Check in controlpanel->mouse Not sure if it's the issue, but in windows XP and 7 the mouse acceleration is on even if the check box is marked off, due to a bug. You would need a mouse registry fix to actually get rid of mouse accel, as well as checking everything off. | ||
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Bloody
Sweden194 Posts
PS: I have a windows 7 mouse acc fix but it do not help a bit. | ||
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Medrea
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On July 24 2011 08:51 Bloody wrote: Why I think there is something wrong is that after I have played like 1 or 2 games my sensitivity increases from nowhere and it do not help to close sc2. It's faster on the desktop too so I need to restart my computer for it to go to normal wich is too fast too. It started with my mx518. I used to have 1250dpi and 66% in sc2 but then this weird increase in sensitivity started so I thought my mouse is broken. That is why I bought G400 but it happens to it too. When I go into windows device manager there is another mouse other than my G400. But it do not help to uninstall it and it returns after every computer restart. PS: I have a windows 7 mouse acc fix but it do not help a bit. Do you have any not logitech mouses around? | ||
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Bloody
Sweden194 Posts
Nope. It's wierd that it's only sc2 that f with my mouse. Yes I have tried reinstalling sc2 and removing the cache. | ||
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DERPDERP
Kyrgyzstan189 Posts
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Medrea
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On July 24 2011 09:56 DERPDERP wrote: g400 has greater polling rate which (as far as i know?) could be it.. He had the same issue with the old mouse as well. Something (probably drivers) are screwing up while he is playing SC2. Phantom driver is present in his system so i figure there is an issue with that. Logitech isnt exactly known for having the best driver writing on planet earth. | ||
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Bloody
Sweden194 Posts
On July 24 2011 09:56 DERPDERP wrote: g400 has greater polling rate which (as far as i know?) could be it.. There is an option to change polling rate, it's not what is causing the problem. | ||
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Bloody
Sweden194 Posts
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
Get a better mouse! I recommend something like the razer abyssus, but basically you just need something without builtin acc. and a good sensor  (no prediction etc). | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On July 25 2011 17:23 KeksX wrote: The G400 uses the Avago ADNS-S9500 sensor which has some horrible builtin acceleration. ( about 10% I believe) Get a better mouse! I recommend something like the razer abyssus, but basically you just need something without builtin acc. and a good sensor (no prediction etc).What about his old mouse having the same problem. I have the same mouse and do not have this issue. Acceleration isnt the issue here and "buy a new mouse" isn't especially constructive. | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
I just checked it again because of the post below me and SH*** I am SO sorry I wrote BS. I checked the wrong mouse (missclicked -_-) and the g400 uses the same sensor as the mx518(upgraded, apparantly). OMFG I am so sorry. However, the MX518 sensor is still crappy. Why it is too fast I can't tell now. The ADNS-S3080 isn't known for having speed issues. | ||
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mardi
United States1164 Posts
On July 25 2011 17:23 KeksX wrote: The G400 uses the Avago ADNS-S9500 sensor which has some horrible builtin acceleration. ( about 10% I believe) Get a better mouse! I recommend something like the razer abyssus, but basically you just need something without builtin acc. and a good sensor (no prediction etc).where is the source on the g400 having a 9500 sensor? From the reviews I've read, no one has reported acceleration but prediction as like the mx518. OP: test the mouse on a different computer if you can and see if the problems exist. You should try to uninstall ALL your logitech drivers as they can mess with your mouse. Logitech has bad drivers. Also, if you can, return the mouse for a new one and see if the problem persists, might be a faulty product. | ||
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Medrea
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On July 25 2011 17:48 KeksX wrote: Maybe you are used to it. Just try it out. Fix the mouse to a certain point(look where the cursor is, fix it on an icon on your desktop or w/e) and then push it a bit to the side, then as fast as you can back to that fixed point. Your mouse will be very far away. At least if my information is correct that the G400 uses this sensor (which I double checked.) If your mouse is too fast, but all your configurations are normal and you checked everything important on the software side, it is a hardware issue. And the sensor being too fast because of builtin acceleration is a known issue. Just google it and you will find tons of posts about it. And actually, buying a decent mouse instead of a crappy one is the best advice you can give. I use an MX518 with all mouse acceleration disabled and a mouse registry fix to completely remove accel because after 10 years microsoft still hasn't fixed that damn bug. The mouse comes with very very many accolades. It is not a crappy mouse under any definition. If you read the OP's second post you will notice that he is saying that his sensitivity will increase while playing SC2 and that closing out does not help, he has to restart his computer. I doubt this is because of typical mouse acceleration anyway. | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On July 25 2011 17:54 Medrea wrote: I use an MX518 with all mouse acceleration disabled and a mouse registry fix to completely remove accel because after 10 years microsoft still hasn't fixed that damn bug. The mouse comes with very very many accolades. Yess you are right, I am sorry. I accidentally checked the wrong mouse (the g500 to be exact). I am sorry for righting BS >_>. I would now recommend trying the mouse out at as many places as you can to see if the issue lies within the mouse or if your computer is the issue. EDIT: Just looked it up. The g400 has a feature that changes the sensivity ingame. Maybe you can change it via reg edit if the config software doesn't help? | ||
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Medrea
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On July 25 2011 17:57 KeksX wrote: Yess you are right, I am sorry. I accidentally checked the wrong mouse (the g500 to be exact). I am sorry for righting BS >_>. I would now recommend trying the mouse out at as many places as you can to see if the issue lies within the mouse or if your computer is the issue. He has this issue with his old MX518 and it is related to Starcraft 2 somehow. At this point I can't see how it could not be software issue. Two different mice having identical issues at the same time? I did suggest he try a not logitech mouse. A friends mouse or anything, and see if the problem still happens. But a downright "go and buy a third mouse" isn't really a troubleshooting tactic. | ||
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Medrea
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EDIT: Just looked it up. The g400 has a feature that changes the sensivity ingame. Maybe you can change it via reg edit if the config software doesn't help? Most logitech mice have a DPI changer button right on them. Is this what you are referring too? Or the actual drivers themselves? I need to know for myself you know! | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On July 25 2011 17:59 Medrea wrote: I did suggest he try a not logitech mouse. A friends mouse or anything, and see if the problem still happens. But a downright "go and buy a third mouse" isn't really a troubleshooting tactic. The point is that the G400 is overall a bad mouse. In general you are right but I wouldn't recommend this mouse to someone that wants to game "hardcore", thats just what I was saying. It still has angle snipping like the MX518 and it isn't really a long lasting one, either. I did some research for my mouse and I came across the G400, too, and what I read wasn't really that good. There are many mice that are way better and even cheaper than this one. The configuration software of Logitech is not really fun, too. I had the MX518 for a long time before I actually cared for having a good mouse. Most logitech mice have a DPI changer button right on them. Is this what you are referring too? Or the actual drivers themselves? I need to know for myself you know! No. The DPI shifter and the sensivity changing feature are two different things according to logitech. I don't have the mouse here right now so I can't say where it exactly is, but it should say something like "In-Game Sensivity: x / y" if it is there. To me it sounds like this causes the problem, that the drivers aren't doing exactly what they are supposed to. Or that windows f***s up the settings. The other posters said all the standard things like the poll rate (lowering to 125 etc), which is a known issue for windows 7 (it randomly causes the mouse to speed up if it is too high, but just for a few secs) EDIT: Okay, I did some research and found out that people had to play around with the settings until they finally solved the problem. Since I can't tell what the issue here really is I suggest trying to install the Logitech drivers "from scratch" and carefully change everything that is needed. You can also try and see if the markC mousefix for windows 7 can help you out. | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
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Medrea
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On July 25 2011 18:15 KeksX wrote: The point is that the G400 is overall a bad mouse. In general you are right but I wouldn't recommend this mouse to someone that wants to game "hardcore", thats just what I was saying. It still has angle snipping like the MX518 and it isn't really a long lasting one, either. I did some research for my mouse and I came across the G400, too, and what I read wasn't really that good. There are many mice that are way better and even cheaper than this one. The configuration software of Logitech is not really fun, too. I had the MX518 for a long time before I actually cared for having a good mouse. No. The DPI shifter and the sensivity changing feature are two different things according to logitech. I don't have the mouse here right now so I can't say where it exactly is, but it should say something like "In-Game Sensivity: x / y" if it is there. To me it sounds like this causes the problem, that the drivers aren't doing exactly what they are supposed to. Or that windows f***s up the settings. The other posters said all the standard things like the poll rate (lowering to 125 etc), which is a known issue for windows 7, Yeah maybe this is it. To be honest the language of the OP made me think that he will be playing SC2 and then sometime in the middle the sensitivity will jump and then all hell breaks loose. But I could see the in-game sensitivity sensor thing is poorly adjusted. Same driver settings would back this theory up since it would apply across multiple mice. I have my polling up to 512 because even at 512 rhythm games are hard to play and it translates to my mouse as well, normal polled mice actually feel really floaty now and my 518 goes where I want to immediately. As an aside. What is the difference in a good mouse and a great mouse when the one I have now mx518, goes exactly where I want it to? Also, I am not sure if anyone has noticed but like, when I move my mouse around really quickly. Anyone ever notice it is only represented in like 4 or 5 different locations? How do I improve that? Are they related? | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On July 25 2011 18:25 Medrea wrote: Yeah maybe this is it. To be honest the language of the OP made me think that he will be playing SC2 and then sometime in the middle the sensitivity will jump and then all hell breaks loose. But I could see the in-game sensitivity sensor thing is poorly adjusted. Same driver settings would back this theory up since it would apply across multiple mice. I have my polling up to 512 because even at 512 rhythm games are hard to play and it translates to my mouse as well, normal polled mice actually feel really floaty now and my 518 goes where I want to immediately. As an aside. What is the difference in a good mouse and a great mouse when the one I have now mx518, goes exactly where I want it to? Also, I am not sure if anyone has noticed but like, when I move my mouse around really quickly. Anyone ever notice it is only represented in like 4 or 5 different locations? How do I improve that? Are they related? Well since the OP said he tried everything else out it hase to be something like that. But with Logitech you can never tell for sure  .Let's wait and see if our posts help the OP out. I would really like to know what causes the issue here, normally mouse problems are way easier to solve XD. And to your question: The difference between a good and a REALLY GOOD mouse is the sensor. A good sensor has no prediction / angle snapping or drift control or other bs, acceleration and a solid malfunction rate ( how fast is the sensor able to track mousemovements?) and other important features.. But yea, thats another topic and you could discuss this for hours. xD | ||
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Medrea
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On July 25 2011 18:32 KeksX wrote: Well since the OP said he tried everything else out it hase to be something like that. But with Logitech you can never tell for sure .Let's wait and see if our posts help the OP out. I would really like to know what causes the issue here, normally mouse problems are way easier to solve XD. And to your question: The difference between a good and a REALLY GOOD mouse is the sensor. A good sensor has no prediction / angle snapping or drift control or other bs, acceleration and a solid malfunction rate ( how fast is the sensor able to track mousemovements?) and other important features.. But yea, thats another topic and you could discuss this for hours. xD Yeah AFAIK mx518 doesn't have anything that is complete bullshit that I can't turn off or mute with registry fixes. Either way, what about increasing framerate of the mouse cursor itself? Google is no help here because framerate is a keyword linked to many other things. And changing mouse keywords usually bring up links to changing what shape the cursor is and other casual user tricks and whatnot. | ||
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Bloody
Sweden194 Posts
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Medrea
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On July 26 2011 21:37 Bloody wrote: The thing is that it started happening for around 2 month ago so it cant be sc2? And it cant be my computer because I have both format and re-installed sc2. It cant be the mouse drivers neither because why did they work until 2 month ago and suddenly not work? I have even tried both my mx518 and g400 on another computer and it happens there too. My conclusion is that it is my sc2 account that is doing it :S another tell is that the "enable toast notifications" and "mature language filter" turns on when I have turned them off. It happens at random times too. That's...... unusual. Ummmmm hmmmm mmmm Facebook integration lol? I use a 518 and it works great but I also have a lot of customizations and registry fixes applied so it works precisely the way I want it to. I guess this could happen to me so if someone has a solution for this I would like to know as well. | ||
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sanddbox_tl
United States20 Posts
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Phayze
Canada2029 Posts
On July 27 2011 02:14 sanddbox_tl wrote: Sorry, but where's your evidence that angle snapping/drift control/mouse correction is actually detrimental to play, and besides that, what's so bad about the G400? Because it's inconsistent, and when you are practicing hours a day your body needs that consistency for you to perform with muscle memory. You miss half a milometer of a stroke, and it corrects it and suddenly your brain is confused. | ||
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Medrea
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On July 27 2011 02:14 sanddbox_tl wrote: Sorry, but where's your evidence that angle snapping/drift control/mouse correction is actually detrimental to play, and besides that, what's so bad about the G400? Google, 5 minutes, and about 14 years of PC gaming expertise spanning hundreds of thousands of pro-gaming players. I dunno about the G400 though. | ||
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iNSiPiD1
United States140 Posts
On July 27 2011 02:14 sanddbox_tl wrote: Sorry, but where's your evidence that angle snapping/drift control/mouse correction is actually detrimental to play, and besides that, what's so bad about the G400? As far as the G400 goes I can only say good things about it. I owned an MX510 for 5 years and figured it was time to get a new one. The only reason I can think of someone not liking the G400 is because it's not symmetric, or they don't want a palm mouse. As far as the performance of the mouse is concerened, it's been spot on for me. There's a lot of anti-Logitech comments coming from KeksX, and while I respect his opinion on what makes a mouse good or not; I'm not convinced that most of this technical jargon is important. He said he wouldn't recommend this to a "hardcore" gamer, but anyone who games, even casually, knows you're not going to be defined by your mouse. A counter-strike pro is going to pwn me every time with a wireless laptop mouse. That's just the way it is. For Bloody, whenever I use my friends computer the mouse is WAY too fast for me, but to him it's perfectly fine. So personal preference is what matters here. I have no clue why your sensitivity is changing mid game though. That only happens to me if I press the DPI changer. I think you should uninstall all the software you have installed for the mouse. Mine works fine and I didn't install anything with it. | ||
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Medrea
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sanddbox_tl
United States20 Posts
On July 27 2011 03:15 Phayze wrote: Because it's inconsistent, and when you are practicing hours a day your body needs that consistency for you to perform with muscle memory. You miss half a milometer of a stroke, and it corrects it and suddenly your brain is confused. They've tested it; it's a sufficiently small degree that you can't trigger it without intending to make a straight line in the first place. | ||
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rdj107
United States336 Posts
-1 dpi setting in the pointer section. -The dpi changing buttons on the mouse either unbound or bound as some other function. -The profile you want specifically burned to your mouse and with profile switching turned off. If that doesn't work, when you reformatted did you make sure to back up the registry for your mouse if you used a fix, and then reinstalled it? | ||
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BlissX1
United States328 Posts
everything is fine for me. | ||
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Cakezor
Sweden22 Posts
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DERPDERP
Kyrgyzstan189 Posts
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