EPTIncorrect Temps // Budget Cooling - Page 2
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theSAiNT
United States726 Posts
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
lol I like how you're getting more responses on a sc2 forum than on the multiple tech forums you posted this on (seems you're the only one with this issue on google). Yes, if you search "impossibly low temps athlon ii" the majority of results will be me on various forums. I have actually seen quite a few posts by people saying below ambient temperatures on their CPU, and I actually think they have the same problem as I do, but they fail to recognize it because they either don't realize that temperatures can't go below ambient (yea dude my athlon is really cold, at 16*C on air! its awesome!) or have sub-par water cooling and seem to think that's why its below ambient and there sensors are correct. Hyper 212 is a very nice budget cooler. Used to run it on my AMD rig. Probably better than another case fan. Yep, just got it in. I'm in the process of writing down my incorrect temps, see where my Hyper 212 puts it. Tommorow I have 4 YL's coming in so I think I'm going to do 1 intake, remove the stock Hyper (not that its a bad fan but just for uniformity) and use push/pull, a side intake, and then 2 rear exhaust. Since all but my case fan are sleeve bearing, have to move my stock to top for that spot. | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
THRM = chipset TMPIN0 = Aux (? psu?) TMPIN1 = Motherboard TMPIN2 = NB Supposedly. But feeling my northbridge on my mobo, it is hot hot hot after running p95. My CPU heatsink, meanwhile, is very mild. Not cold, but not hot. Maybe not even warm. I'm starting to think the most likely real temperature, is "motherboard". It never goes below ambient, usually hovering around 26-28*C. The problem with considering this temp, is that when I run prime95, it never spikes, while some of the other temps (Core, TMPin0 or aux, THRM). In fact it only rises abou10*C, and it does so very slowly. But 2 things are making me reconsider. 1, my heatsink was very light to the touch (whereas what I may have considered as cpu temps before is just the northbridge overheating immediately when p95 goes on). 2, when I turned off my CPU fan it started to rise, something no other temp did. I may just have a very cool cool CPU. Now, this all started because my PC crashed on the 23rd hour of prime95 one day, which was prompted by a strange crash in the first place (multiple programs maybe, alt tabing like woah with tv and sc2 at same time). p95's log showed no errors - maybe the crash occured because northbridge got too hot, as I only have one exhaust fan? Hm. So, if this is the case, than what is my Coretemp/Core readings that are universal in every program as my CPU, that are below ambient but spike with p95? Is that confused with my northbridge? Or, is it simply a cpu-sensor completely whacked out? SHOULD I RMA OMG! I'll see how well this chip overclocks before that ^_^ But I don't want to be relying on Motherboard Temp if its actually motherbord, and not a confused CPU temp, to one day blow up my pc. | ||
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Az0r_au
Australia385 Posts
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
My Sensor -> Temperatures are: THRM TMPIN0 TMPIN1 TMPIN2 On another note, I was really considering TMPIN1 are my Core temps. I just installed my Hyper 212 (actually yesterday, but had to go to bed because got sick and my PC was overheating), and in Bios my CPU is now 22 instead of 32-36. What is really interesting is that now, TMPIN1 is at a low of 40*C, and up to 43*C. I haven't done anything yet, and I'm hesitant to use my PC as I am now for minor browsing. Now obviously this must be my northbridge, as I touched it and it's really hot. As in, I can hold my finger for maybe a second or two but if you pushed my face against it, it would cause a burn. It's really hot. Or, well, maybe 40*C hot - that is, after all, 125*F, which is pretty damn hot relatively, but maybe not damaging hot, although it is a cause for concern. My guess is that my old stock cooler, which sucked air down and then let the air spread out, cooled my northbridge, whereas my Hyper 212 does not really cool it at all. The question is, is how is it getting so damn hot? On another note, basic core temps dropped from about 16*C minimal browsing to 15*C. In fact it seems a few temps dropped by about a degree, but none reflect Bios' major 36*C to 22*C. I'm beginning to think none of my software monitors show a core temp | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
So I installed my Hyper 212. Temps in bios for CPU droped from 36*C to 22*C, exactly ambient. I think this is the most true temp, the big problem is that there exists no software that reads Bios CPU temperature sensor. Anyways, the 'woah' is that my northbridge feels hot as shit, and TMPIN1 (which I was just pondering if it was my actual CPU temp) is suddenly 40*C! ARGH. I imagine its because the stock HSF is no longe there to blow on it : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/AMD_heatsink_and_fan.jpg this is ridiculous! | ||
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Phayze
Canada2029 Posts
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
AMD chips run quite cold and i'm sure even amd processors can run north of 85+ degrees and function perfectly. No my TJmax is 70*C, and bios at default settings will shut my pc down at 65*C. 60*+ is usually not good for overclocking AM3/athlon iis. Lack of an l3 cache will help my temps, supposedly, compared to phenoms with L3 cache. With that said, did you have time to check the error code on the prime 95 bsod? That time it shut down on the 23rd hour, what happened was my computer was asleep, and when I tried to wake it up, it didn't. It's entirely possible that I was simply too dumb and hit the wrong keys - all I know is that it didn't start with the normal press of button like it usually does when screen goes black after 20 or so minutes. But I do think there was an error of some sort, as the day before my PC just shut down and restarted when I was alt-tabing between a movie and SC2, so I know my PC isn't perfect. Who knows why it shut down, yesterday I ran an Aero W7 theme (instead of Classic like I usually do) and it restarted, twice, when scrolling a page full of pics. Solution was to get rid of the fancy w7 theme, or at least that particular one. Point being, is that my PC could've crashed for any reason that day, but when I started investigating, i ran into errors right away - first my pc seemed to end prime95 at the 23rd hour when I came home 26 hours later, in a unwakeable slumber, then I realize my coretemps are impossibly low. really rare for p95 to last 23 freaking hours and shutdown due to thermal reasons, as heat saturation is met after 10 or 20 minutes. I know. My guess was that maybe my PC was running at the bare minimum, right at the threshold, as opposed to extreme overheating, so it took 23 hours for it to finally inch across that line of overheating. I considered this, because my bios temp is about 36*C, my general core temps are 16*C, so if you add a 20*C offset, that means when coretemp says 54*C as max temp, its actually 74*C. Now, however, I think these coretemp's rise too high, and a 20*C offset isn't accurate, but if that was the case, that's 1*C from a fatal 75*C, which is usually where Athlon II shuts down. I'm thinking it's a power issue, if you can get the dump file in your windows folder i'd bet it has to do with power from the power supply. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, I have no idea what a dump file is or what you are really talking about (a bit over my head here...). But, I'm pretty sure my PSU is fine, I have a high quality Antec Earthwatts 430D. Recommended wattage via extreme powercalc is about 308W, and it's not like my GPU was running during p95 test. Also, over 90% of my amperage is on my 12v rails, its over 350w on my 12v rails. So I doubt that. this is something that has been beaten to death by people like Myrmidon and others in my Building a Budget PC: Need Feedback thread, when I built this pc 3 weeks ago. Performance and build quality is unmatched with heatsinks. If you are finding temps still being a problem have you tried opening the side of the case and ventilating it with a personal fan/something that will give it some good airflow? This way it wont be reusing the hot air inside the case to do its cooling. I'm 90% certain my temps are more than fine. The big problem is that when I start to overclock, I won't know where my limits are. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
INSTANT COOLING | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
Anyways the problem is that I can't view my CPU temp. I have no idea what it is. My temps now, though incorrect, have dropped drastically with the inclusion of the Hyper 212+ push/pull and about 5 Yate Loon medium fans. The general core temps all read 10*C, with the low being 9*C. 100% load p95 went to 29*C very slowly. Temp now with posting on TL, Low, Max on p95 10 minutes: Core: 10/9/29 THRM: 16*C (15/34) TMPIN0: 17/15/34 Bios usually says about 22*C at startup vs 36*C. So obviously temps dropped. NB chipset rose, so I'm thinking of taking my old stock 80mm hsf and simply putting it on top of my GPU. It's plastic so should be any problems/fireworks with that right? Anyways, still trying to figure out my coretemp. TMPIN1: 31/26/33 TMPIN2: 22/20/22 I need a program that reports the same temp BIOS shows, all software is incorrect and too low! | ||
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Lyzon
United Kingdom440 Posts
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
I guess maybe 2x of my core temp, but it doesn't scale correctly. | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
 ) and I'm going to take the CPU off my motherboard, wire a sensor through the pins so the sensor is directly underneath the CPU, and then put the CPU back into the socket, and I should get accurate temps that way! | ||
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