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vaL4r
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany240 Posts
July 13 2017 22:20 GMT
#4721
* shakes head *
You need to play starcraft with a light heart. If you play with a heavy heart, you can't win. -NaDa
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-14 08:05:03
July 14 2017 06:45 GMT
#4722
Evoluent VerticalMouse 4


That thing looks like it relies 1000% on wrist pivoting palm grip highsens but it's hard to tell just from looking at pics because it's so odd

In my experiences lower sensitivities and diverting movement to fingertips and arm rather than wrist pivots are a lot less stressful for the most sensitive areas that tend to get messed up with prolonged usage (50+ hrs/week). A low weight mouse helps a lot with that, my preferred mouse weight is less than half of that mouse.

If you have a specific injury that makes this inviable then some other cursor control options like a wacom tablet can become quite appealing. Wireless pen tracking is really cool and underused, costs a fraction of what that mouse does too
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-18 15:31:50
July 18 2017 15:29 GMT
#4723
I use the razer deathadder, the weigh is around 40% less. And i like this weight aswell.
No pain for me, whatsoever. I just want to try and be ergonomic anyway. Why not? I have read around abit more and, the ergonomic mices arent up to the task 100% yet imo it seems.

Good build quality, no plastic for example. Good weight, buttons/scroll should work for years and not break after months, on Evoluent VerticalMouse 4 it seems to get worse quite fast. Should feel like you can move the mouse fast. Good grip.
No mice has this yet it seems.



Otherwise, an ergomic mice can actually be better than a more traditonal one? Well it seems so to me atleast since when you rest your hand you have the stance as on Evoluent VerticalMouse 4. You also dont bend your skeleton either which might be a good thing.

Any thoughts here?
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
July 20 2017 11:35 GMT
#4724
I only know for myself, I don't think that shape would be usable. I found out that I can't use a palm grip without pain starting to develop after a while. Even when I used larger mice in the past I always had the palm only ever resting lightly on the back of the mouse to allow the fingers to get involved with the job of moving the mouse around. I'm thinking this VerticalMouse would completely sabotage this. I would worry that the mouse might end up being a worse for me ergonomically if all movements have to be built out of wrist and arm movements without the fingers being able to help.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
tobai
Profile Joined April 2017
28 Posts
July 21 2017 13:03 GMT
#4725
I really like the shape of the Logitech RX250 (which i think has the same shape as the Logitech G1).
My MX518 is too big for playing Brood War and the Amazon Basics mouse is a bit too small.

Unfortunately it is impossible for me to draw a straight line with my RX250, there always seems to be a bit of jittering / jumping.

Maybe someone can chime in here, because if that is not normal (i.e. my sensor is faulty), i will just order another RX250.
Otherwise can someone suggest a cheap mouse with a smiliar shape as the RX250?
WellCrap
Profile Joined July 2012
Sweden122 Posts
July 25 2017 21:19 GMT
#4726
On July 21 2017 22:03 tobai wrote:
I really like the shape of the Logitech RX250 (which i think has the same shape as the Logitech G1).
My MX518 is too big for playing Brood War and the Amazon Basics mouse is a bit too small.

Unfortunately it is impossible for me to draw a straight line with my RX250, there always seems to be a bit of jittering / jumping.

Maybe someone can chime in here, because if that is not normal (i.e. my sensor is faulty), i will just order another RX250.
Otherwise can someone suggest a cheap mouse with a smiliar shape as the RX250?





Have you tried the g100s? or is the seperated buttons a must for you?
G9x-MiCo
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-26 18:23:34
July 26 2017 17:57 GMT
#4727
Thought on this mice?

Etekcity Scroll M910
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The one in the middle. Its slightly vertical compared to very vertical. Problem is the weight, its 305g which seems to be ALOT.
This kind of mice is the best i found though, but to risky buying it because of the weight.



Logitech MX Master Mouse
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Here is another one that looks kinda good. But no idea if this saves your wrist from becoming red at the right side(on your right hand).
This ones weight is around 155g. Also its wireless, and saw some comment that said it loses track in gaming.




Logitech G900 Chaos Spectrum
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Only at 107 gram, even lower than my main mice(razer deathadder). This is supposed to be for gaming, so no jitter or any delay or so.
Wired or wireless.

Not sure i see this as more ergonmic though than lets say razer deathadder?
Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-26 20:49:31
July 26 2017 20:30 GMT
#4728
I see people recommend the G Pro and G203 as a replacement for the Mini Optical, but I couldn't find any comparison photos. So here is one I made myself. Is it probably the best replacement out there? Likely. Is it "the same" as the Mini Optical in the way the Mico was? Not even close. It's a small-ish mouse, but I wouldn't really call it a replacement or too similar. However, it is a good mouse, and seems not to have the many problems the Mico had.

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The Nature and purpose of the martial way are universal; all selfish desires must be roasted in the tempering fires of hard training. - Masutatsu Oyama
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
July 27 2017 02:05 GMT
#4729
Thanks for the pic
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
July 27 2017 02:32 GMT
#4730
On July 27 2017 11:05 Cyro wrote:
Thanks for the pic

No problem. It's a great mouse, but like I said, not "the same." I'm going to try to get an Fkmini v3 just so I've exhausted all the "modern LMO replacement" options.

I'll get a Chinese colleague to help me navigate through all this LOL

https://world.taobao.com/search/search.htm?_ksTS=1501122618845_300&spm=a21bp.7806943.20151106.1&_input_charset=utf-8&navigator=all&json=on&q=fkmini v3&callback=__jsonp_cb&cna=Bz4AEujyRz8CAUl8IWTVhL9/&abtest=_AB-LR517-LR854-LR895-PR517-PR854-PR895
The Nature and purpose of the martial way are universal; all selfish desires must be roasted in the tempering fires of hard training. - Masutatsu Oyama
WellCrap
Profile Joined July 2012
Sweden122 Posts
July 30 2017 14:43 GMT
#4731
On July 27 2017 11:32 Ancestral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2017 11:05 Cyro wrote:
Thanks for the pic

No problem. It's a great mouse, but like I said, not "the same." I'm going to try to get an Fkmini v3 just so I've exhausted all the "modern LMO replacement" options.

I'll get a Chinese colleague to help me navigate through all this LOL

https://world.taobao.com/search/search.htm?_ksTS=1501122618845_300&spm=a21bp.7806943.20151106.1&_input_charset=utf-8&navigator=all&json=on&q=fkmini v3&callback=__jsonp_cb&cna=Bz4AEujyRz8CAUl8IWTVhL9/&abtest=_AB-LR517-LR854-LR895-PR517-PR854-PR895

Have you seen the skydigital nkey 007 mini(I think I got it right?)

Its a small mouse modeled after the LMO.
G9x-MiCo
Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
July 31 2017 15:39 GMT
#4732
On July 30 2017 23:43 WellCrap wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2017 11:32 Ancestral wrote:
On July 27 2017 11:05 Cyro wrote:
Thanks for the pic

No problem. It's a great mouse, but like I said, not "the same." I'm going to try to get an Fkmini v3 just so I've exhausted all the "modern LMO replacement" options.

I'll get a Chinese colleague to help me navigate through all this LOL

https://world.taobao.com/search/search.htm?_ksTS=1501122618845_300&spm=a21bp.7806943.20151106.1&_input_charset=utf-8&navigator=all&json=on&q=fkmini v3&callback=__jsonp_cb&cna=Bz4AEujyRz8CAUl8IWTVhL9/&abtest=_AB-LR517-LR854-LR895-PR517-PR854-PR895

Have you seen the skydigital nkey 007 mini(I think I got it right?)

Its a small mouse modeled after the LMO.

Ugh. Looks like I have to get one now. I already ordered an Fkmini V3 with a 3310 sensor. I think the G007 is the current version of the Nkey.

I guess since I have a Mini Optical, Mico, G203, and soon to be Fkmini V3, I might as well get the G007 and make a StarCraft mouse YouTube video LOL.

I really do like that LMO shape. Nothing is quite like it. But the G203 really does have the crispest clicks and an awesome sensor, so I'm interested to see how these currently-in-production clones (Fkmini V3 and G007) compare. An LMO shape with the sensor and switches (I think they're Omrons) of the G203 would be perfect imo.
The Nature and purpose of the martial way are universal; all selfish desires must be roasted in the tempering fires of hard training. - Masutatsu Oyama
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-02 03:19:35
August 02 2017 01:15 GMT
#4733
So what i have heard is that using mouse acceleration is inconsistent, what i mean is that THE PROGRAM or so to speak is inconsistent. If you move your hand at lets say 5speed each time it will vary anyway. You understand?

Is this true? If true, what can be done about this? Like i have razer deathadder and in the program i can use mouse accel 1-10, but i dont really feel any difference between them...
I would like to vary the mouse acceleration somehow.. seems i cant really do that now?! Also if possible make the "Program" more consistent so it doesnt have any randomness.


EDIT: in the mousemovement tracker, isnt it weird that some "moves" arent acceleration? When its on.
If i move the mouse from left to righjt i see like 75% have mouse acceleration while the rest dont?

EDIT2: does operative mouse settings override game settings? Such as cs:go.


EDIT3: So, the thing is when i have mouse acceleration on and play mouse movement recorder, the different is very small.
-1x0 0x0
Like that pretty much. Something feels wrong.
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
August 02 2017 17:44 GMT
#4734
The reason I stopped using acceleration a long time ago was because of myself not being consistent. I moved the hand at different speeds depending on if a game was practice or real, or depending on how sleepy or awake I was, or how nervous with adrenaline.

I never heard about a software not being consistent, but I also wasn't really interested in acceleration after I stopped using it. One thing I heard about, there's this driver here you might want to check out, then see how to use your mouse without any Razer stuff installed:

https://mouseaccel.blogspot.de/2015/12/new-method-for-mouse-acceleration.html

I remember those povohat and Kovaak names from QuakeWorld times, and those are definitely not stupid people.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
August 03 2017 06:24 GMT
#4735
Yeah i will probably eventually try that program. Iam a bit skeptical about its seen as hack of some sort of. But i heard and also read abit now that its a driver thingy so it shouldnt in theory be a problem.

But for sure will try it out eventually when iam reaady. I guess its the only option now aswell but it seems to be atleast a good option from what ive heard.
QuadroX
Profile Joined August 2017
386 Posts
August 09 2017 13:27 GMT
#4736

Ugh. Looks like I have to get one now. I already ordered an Fkmini V3 with a 3310 sensor. I think the G007 is the current version of the Nkey.

I guess since I have a Mini Optical, Mico, G203, and soon to be Fkmini V3, I might as well get the G007 and make a StarCraft mouse YouTube video LOL.

I really do like that LMO shape. Nothing is quite like it. But the G203 really does have the crispest clicks and an awesome sensor, so I'm interested to see how these currently-in-production clones (Fkmini V3 and G007) compare. An LMO shape with the sensor and switches (I think they're Omrons) of the G203 would be perfect imo.


Waiting for your review! Interested in those fkmini and G007 mice. Not much information out there and no comparison. Only some Asian websites I can't read.
{ToT}ColmA
Profile Joined November 2007
Japan3260 Posts
August 10 2017 15:02 GMT
#4737
my razer hex sometimes just stops working - light etc still on but cant move the cursor. have to replug it and then it works again - kinda annoying when gaming.
The only virgins in kpop left are the fans
Pibacc
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada545 Posts
August 11 2017 07:59 GMT
#4738
Can anyone recommend me a mouse as close to the Sensei Raw as possible?

I'd buy another one but steelseries shipping to Canada is $50 lmao, so I'm not paying that.

Thanks in advance for any advice!
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5529 Posts
August 11 2017 11:06 GMT
#4739
A dream machine DM1 is very close. Or try finding a sensei raw on ebay with cheaper shipping

Take a look at the new sensei 310 that just came out also, it's not a perfect clone but it has gotten pretty good reviews so far.
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Pibacc
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada545 Posts
August 11 2017 17:14 GMT
#4740
On August 11 2017 20:06 jimminy_kriket wrote:
A dream machine DM1 is very close. Or try finding a sensei raw on ebay with cheaper shipping

Take a look at the new sensei 310 that just came out also, it's not a perfect clone but it has gotten pretty good reviews so far.


Thanks for the reply. I was looking at the Sensei 310 but the sides look weird and I've heard some not so great reviews.

I was looking through this thread and on reddit and found the Logitect G403, which looks to be a pretty great mouse for me.
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