EPTThe Ultimate Mouse Thread - Page 233
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
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hellgoat
Sweden30 Posts
On August 20 2016 01:54 hellgoat wrote: 1. What's your grip style? Palm, slightly claw hybrid 2. What's your sensitivity? Medium to high 3. What's your maximum budget? Pref. not over €80 4. Do you want additional buttons? Not required, but would be nice with a couple additional 5. What games do you play? Overwatch, DotA, RPGs 6. Do you mind angle snapping? I do mind it 7. Other relevant information: Small handed. Prefer Ergonomic, have used a IntelliMouse Explorer 3.0 for forever, looking to go a bit more modern. I'll just update this a little... I've been thinking about the Razer Mamba. I used to have a bunch of Deathadders, but they all broke down. Is the Mamba any better? Does it work with my requirements above? Any help is appreciated, thanks! | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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trifecta
United States6795 Posts
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Souljah
United States423 Posts
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semantics
10040 Posts
On August 22 2016 08:40 trifecta wrote: looking good but why braided cable for facks sake Because it's what the market likes. People think it justifies more cost just like random LEDs on things. You can just remove the braid only takes like 5 mins. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
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Divine-Sneaker
Denmark1225 Posts
I'm looking to replace my 5+ year old razer lachesis that's getting increasingly frustrating rightclick actuation issues. I'm looking for anything that resembles that type of shape. Think Intellimouse/symmetrical mice on the flatter side. | ||
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septi88
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gswittiness
4 Posts
On September 06 2016 21:55 septi88 wrote: Logitech G900 Chaos Spectrum ? look here http://www.pcgamer.com/the-best-gaming-mouse/ That list is beyond awful + the mouse you mentioned is wireless, don't think I need to say more. On August 29 2016 11:35 Divine-Sneaker wrote: Is there currently a mouse considered "best" in terms of sensor, build quality and so on? I'm looking to replace my 5+ year old razer lachesis that's getting increasingly frustrating rightclick actuation issues. I'm looking for anything that resembles that type of shape. Think Intellimouse/symmetrical mice on the flatter side. The Logitech G303 has the best sensor on the market atm, though its awkward shape makes a lot of people shy away from it. Basically you're looking for an ambidextrous mouse and of those there are a few that are worth to be mentioned: Zowie FK (you have 3 size variations), the Zowie ZA series (3 different options in terms of size too), the Logitech G303, the new Logitech G Pro, Mionix Avior 70000, DM1 Pro (not ambidextrous as it only has side buttons on the left side i.e. for right handed people but the shape itself is symmetrical),.. Probably missing a few but those are the ones on the top of my mind, can't really go wrong with any of those. In terms of the sensor, most of the ones I mentioned have the Avago 3310 sensor, though the Logitech G Pro and the G303 have the PMW 3366 (which is superior to the 3310), so if you're really looking for a mouse with the best sensor, you better look for a mouse with the PMW 3366 sensor. | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
3360 is the generic which has 2 frame os smoothing sub 2100dpi, 32 frames of smoothing at 2100dpi+. More mice should be switching over from the 3310 to the 3360 going forward. Both are quite excellent and 32 frames of smoothing smaller than 3310 implications so if you can't notice it on there you probably wouldn't notice it ever. Frames basically means you're measure the internal hz of the sensor. Sensors go anywhere from 7k+ now of days so it's not frames being rendered on your monitor it's internal to the mouse and independent of the polling rate for the usb interface it's really unnoticable. The 3310 had 2-4ms of smoothing btw 32 frames is nothing compared to that, 2 frames is unfathomable anyone could even measure it externally without hooking the mouse up to an oscilloscope. That being said being comfortable moving the mouse around is very important getting the right shape and feel trumps any sensor as most sensors have good useable settings even if they aren't as flexible in settings as logitech's implementations. Avago doesn't exist anymore irrc it's all just Pixart same sensors just all made by pixart now. On August 24 2016 07:46 Cyro wrote: But your warranty on like 90 usd mouse is void if you remove the braid or any screws Not in the US, you can remove the screws and the braid it doesn't necessarily void the warranty. Repairs and alternations to products do not null a warranty in the US unless they can prove that was the cause of failure. Most people don't realize that those "void warranty" aren't usually enforceable in the US. There are alot of terms and service stuff which just flat out aren't enforceable in the US which are written just because it's not illegal to and mislead people to lack of service. It's only illegal to mislead people to extra service and not deliver. | ||
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Glacierz
United States1245 Posts
I currently use the Logitech G502 and find the ergonomics quite good (currently using something close to fingertip grip with the base of my palm not touching the mouse). There are just too many things going on with the mouse and it's a bit heavy/clunky for FPS (this wasn't really an issue until I recently started playing Overwatch). I've been considering switching to either the Zowie EC1-A or EC2-A, but cannot decide on which size. My hand is 19cm long and 10cm wide. I have a deathadder (without the rubber sides) that I find too wide for my grip. From what I can find, the EC1-A is slightly smaller than the Deathadder, but I'm not sure if it's still too big. The G502's dimensions are very hard to measure for comparison given its shape. Any suggestion on which one I should pick up? There aren't any stores near me to try them out. | ||
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semantics
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
You could wait a bit for the Logitech G403 to be distributed to stores. As it's Logitech, it might show up at BestBuy or whatever you have around you. Its shape seems to be kind of related to what Deathadder and EC1 and EC2 look like. | ||
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wptlzkwjd
Canada1240 Posts
On September 09 2016 01:05 gswittiness wrote: That list is beyond awful + the mouse you mentioned is wireless, don't think I need to say more. nothing wrong with the wireless G900. Stewie2K is one of the best NA players at CSGO and he uses one on LAN. | ||
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gswittiness
4 Posts
On September 12 2016 09:44 wptlzkwjd wrote: nothing wrong with the wireless G900. Stewie2K is one of the best NA players at CSGO and he uses one on LAN. strenx (former quakelive pro) was reknowned for his aim, his favourite mouse is/was the kinzu (same goes for guardian from navi iirc) yet we all know how shit the sensor is.. just because a professional player uses it doesn't mean the mouse or the technology isn't shit. Wireless is a no-go, that's a general "rule" when it comes to mice for gaming. Though I'm sure the wireless stuff has improved over the years, it's still inferior to wired peripherals, or we're just stubborn. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On September 12 2016 15:19 gswittiness wrote: strenx (former quakelive pro) was reknowned for his aim, his favourite mouse is/was the kinzu (same goes for guardian from navi iirc) yet we all know how shit the sensor is.. just because a professional player uses it doesn't mean the mouse or the technology isn't shit. Wireless is a no-go, that's a general "rule" when it comes to mice for gaming. Though I'm sure the wireless stuff has improved over the years, it's still inferior to wired peripherals, or we're just stubborn. It was measured and compared to I think I remember a Razer Deathadder. The G900 in wireless mode had 2ms less latency for movement than that wired Razer mouse. Note, this was for movement, not the click latency. The click latency has even more latency. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
At 107g it's on the lighter side for a wireless mouse but it could be 1.5x lighter if it was a weight-optimized wired mouse. This is well past the point where weight makes the mouse noticably harder to move and increases hand+wrist strain in my experience, at least for non-palm grips. I'm being pretty aggressive in judging these, like one mouse will have a noticable discomfort in wrist after playing for 10 hours in a 14 hour window while another one might not; for casual gaming it's not nearly as much of a problem as you won't cause physical damage to yourself while playing for 2 hours with a 15 minute break unless you do something horribly, horribly wrong. | ||
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Glacierz
United States1245 Posts
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DatRAYRAY
1 Post
Here is my full logitech g900 review and i should have the video review done soon so you can here how the clicks sounds... Playing with the G pro now and will let you know what I think of that in a few days... | ||
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