On February 04 2016 06:32 Ropid wrote: Go into the BIOS menus of the motherboard and search for a screen that has power saving stuff on it. There might be a setting there that's about supplying power to USB devices when powered off.
If when you said "turn off the computer", you are actually talking about putting the PC in standby instead of shutting down, then go into the Windows Device Manager and look for the mouse device. Open its Properties window and go to the power savings tab and look for interesting check boxes there that might help you.
Device Manager > Mouse Properties > Power Management did the trick, worked for both sleep and shutdown, thank you.
pEcul!Ar brought this up with me, and I'm 15 days late with this, but it seems like the new Zowies are having problems and there's been a recall in the Nordic and North America regions: http://zowie.benq.com/news/8/zowie-mice-recall-announcement
Looks like they're switching back to Huanos? I haven't experienced the random double clicks myself, but might register for a replacement just in case.
On February 04 2016 10:03 Ropid wrote: Did you try the G302/G303 shape? To me, it feels like a mix between Logitech Mini shape (which was the inspiration for the Mico shape) and the Abyssus shape.
I just bought G302 for a test run because I saw it mentioned here. Installed the logitech software and set it to 1000hz and 1120 dpi. This seems comparable to the Abyssus on 1000hz and 1800 dpi. Any reason to mess with the hz value instead of maxing it? Any dpi which would skip pixels?
I've used it for 8 hours and will test it 1-2 more times. Overall, it feels like it's tipping/picking up because of the narrowing body compared to the Abyssus. I thought I would get used to it, but I really don't like it. The only thing I like about this mouse is the buttons. It made me realize my Abyssus was ready for the garbage a long time ago.
So, I'm thinking to try the G502 next. Nathanias uses this one. He says no grip. Is that a feature of the mouse? This mouse is quite a bit bigger than the abyssus, but I know some small hand gamers who use it.
I'm desperate for a good SC2 mouse folks. Please recommend. Bonus pts if sc2 pros use it. I know Cyro will advise otherwise, but I like battle tested.
People are selling their used g9x for 100$ on amazon. holy shit...
I just bought G302 for a test run because I saw it mentioned here. Installed the logitech software and set it to 1000hz and 1120 dpi. This seems comparable to the Abyssus on 1000hz and 1800 dpi. Any reason to mess with the hz value instead of maxing it? Any dpi which would skip pixels?
1120dpi is 1120dpi. If your abyssus @1800 was a similar sens, then you have a problem somewhere with one of the mice.
It's easy to measure because DPI is a literal term. If you move the mouse 1 inch and it moves 1800 pixels, it's ~1800dpi. If it only moves ~1100, it's 1100dpi. It's quite likely that you had some kind of multiplier reducing the sens on the abyssus, as there are a few of them that can be hidden or confusing.
no DPI setting skips pixels or does weird stuff with g303/g502 sensor. It's best to just set natively for whatever you're using, no tricks (:
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402/502 is good if you want a palm mouse. I couldn't control the weight and weight distribution from fingertip and i only use palmy grips for lowsens FPS (0.3 meters mouse movement to look behind you) so it didn't work out for me.
wouldn't recommend g9x. Some people like the shell but the sensor is quite highly inconsistent.
The g9x shape is possibly the best shape I've used, but like cryo said its sensor isn't the best.
Is your abby the old or 2014 version? I read that they did something with the new shell to preload the the switches similar to the g302/303.
If you want something cheap you could always pick up a g100s on ebay/amazon for sub 20$. Wider shape but slightly mushy buttons, pretty solid weight if you open her up and remove the metal piece.
anybody had experiences with the new diamondback chroma yet? my previous mouse before this cheap logitech m90 was the diamondback 3g before it died on me and i absolutely loved it.
it's either this or cheaping out and getting a logitech g100s.
On February 06 2016 08:06 riotjune wrote: pEcul!Ar brought this up with me, and I'm 15 days late with this, but it seems like the new Zowies are having problems and there's been a recall in the Nordic and North America regions: http://zowie.benq.com/news/8/zowie-mice-recall-announcement
Looks like they're switching back to Huanos? I haven't experienced the random double clicks myself, but might register for a replacement just in case.
On that note, about Omron switches, I had clicking problems in my Logitech G303 and G302.
I experimented with the G302, and I seem to have fixed the double-clicking in its left and right mouse buttons by oiling the switches.
The oil I used was some sort of sewing machine or weapon oil. I put a drop of the oil on top of the switch where that pin plunger is and then clicked the pin with a screwdriver a few dozen times until the drop of oil had mostly disappeared into the insides of the switch. I didn't open the switch, so did nothing complicated.
I oiled the switches about two or three weeks ago. Right now it works great. The clicking problems are gone completely. I'll post again if I find out that the oil is harmful and the mouse breaks down.
For all the Mico users, the g1 mouse feet don't work as repacements, they're like a quarter of a milliliter too big to fit the grooves. I don't have any issues with stacking 0.6mm thick g1 feet on top of the original feet, despite zowies low LOD.
I just bought G302 for a test run because I saw it mentioned here. Installed the logitech software and set it to 1000hz and 1120 dpi. This seems comparable to the Abyssus on 1000hz and 1800 dpi. Any reason to mess with the hz value instead of maxing it? Any dpi which would skip pixels?
1120dpi is 1120dpi. If your abyssus @1800 was a similar sens, then you have a problem somewhere with one of the mice.
It's easy to measure because DPI is a literal term. If you move the mouse 1 inch and it moves 1800 pixels, it's ~1800dpi. If it only moves ~1100, it's 1100dpi. It's quite likely that you had some kind of multiplier reducing the sens on the abyssus, as there are a few of them that can be hidden or confusing.
no DPI setting skips pixels or does weird stuff with g303/g502 sensor. It's best to just set natively for whatever you're using, no tricks (:
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402/502 is good if you want a palm mouse. I couldn't control the weight and weight distribution from fingertip and i only use palmy grips for lowsens FPS (0.3 meters mouse movement to look behind you) so it didn't work out for me.
wouldn't recommend g9x. Some people like the shell but the sensor is quite highly inconsistent.
Nah man, no multiplier, I'm just a nub :D Though, that does make me curious, does the mouse senstivitiy setting in sc2 which pros typically set between 51-53% act as a multiplier?
I started using the g302 with the same 1800 dpi I'm used to and after a week of use I'll have to change my opinion. It's a keeper, at least for now. Sidenote: I want to switch down to 800 dpi, but it just seems unfeasible. It's just too... slow. Maybe I need a bigger mouse pad. I'm using the steel series mini.
Keep in mind, I only play sc2 and I've always been a finger tip/claw grip player.
So I want to try the g502/ Death Adder Chroma (both x5pig and snute use these on 800 dpi) but I understand these are both traditionally palm gripped.
On February 09 2016 05:19 WellCrap wrote: The g9x shape is possibly the best shape I've used, but like cryo said its sensor isn't the best.
Is your abby the old or 2014 version? I read that they did something with the new shell to preload the the switches similar to the g302/303.
If you want something cheap you could always pick up a g100s on ebay/amazon for sub 20$. Wider shape but slightly mushy buttons, pretty solid weight if you open her up and remove the metal piece.
Yeah my Abyssus is at least 3 years old. I'm planning on trying a newer one to see how they've progressed. I was using the mirrored version anyway.
So the search continues for mice Korean pros use these days. Just a year ago the choice would be obviously a g9x or mico, but can't buy a mico anywhere
It seems really hard to find up to date list of Korean pros gear. I guess my only choice is watch gsl/ssl with print screen ready in the case they show mouse hand...
does the mouse senstivitiy setting in sc2 which pros typically set between 51-53% act as a multiplier?
No, but setting it to anything other than 51-54% does
Sidenote: I want to switch down to 800 dpi, but it just seems unfeasible. It's just too... slow. Maybe I need a bigger mouse pad. I'm using the steel series mini.
It will always seem that way. If you use 1000dpi for 3 months and then 500dpi for a week, 600dpi will seem weirdly fast to you when switching to it - i sometimes do that to make a quick sens change (changing more than i want to shock muscle memory, then falling back to the actually wanted value after a short time of gameplay) but i'm more used to a range of sensitivies than someone who has stuck to 1 sens for ages.
For it to feel good, you've just gotta set and stick with it, make sure you have adequate room and decent posture (a lot of high sens mouse users do not have one or both of those things, one of my friends sits with his keyboard between his mouse and his screen, as an extreme example).
It's important to build muscle memory via some stress too, having a sens set while web browsing for 3 days will probably still feel completely wrong when you play a game after but if you play a hard mouse game for an hour every day it will become natural much faster
bigger pad shouldn't be needed for 2d games i think (800dpi won't have to move more than ~6.1cm to cross the full width of a 1920x1080 screen, but may drift some depending on how well you control the mouse). It's comfortable to have a nice big mousepad that you can have extending to the edge of your desk, even if you'll only use 5-25% of the area outside of an FPS game due to the different ways that mice are used.
I just bought G302 for a test run because I saw it mentioned here. Installed the logitech software and set it to 1000hz and 1120 dpi. This seems comparable to the Abyssus on 1000hz and 1800 dpi. Any reason to mess with the hz value instead of maxing it? Any dpi which would skip pixels?
1120dpi is 1120dpi. If your abyssus @1800 was a similar sens, then you have a problem somewhere with one of the mice.
It's easy to measure because DPI is a literal term. If you move the mouse 1 inch and it moves 1800 pixels, it's ~1800dpi. If it only moves ~1100, it's 1100dpi. It's quite likely that you had some kind of multiplier reducing the sens on the abyssus, as there are a few of them that can be hidden or confusing.
no DPI setting skips pixels or does weird stuff with g303/g502 sensor. It's best to just set natively for whatever you're using, no tricks (:
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402/502 is good if you want a palm mouse. I couldn't control the weight and weight distribution from fingertip and i only use palmy grips for lowsens FPS (0.3 meters mouse movement to look behind you) so it didn't work out for me.
wouldn't recommend g9x. Some people like the shell but the sensor is quite highly inconsistent.
Nah man, no multiplier, I'm just a nub :D Though, that does make me curious, does the mouse senstivitiy setting in sc2 which pros typically set between 51-53% act as a multiplier?
I started using the g302 with the same 1800 dpi I'm used to and after a week of use I'll have to change my opinion. It's a keeper, at least for now. Sidenote: I want to switch down to 800 dpi, but it just seems unfeasible. It's just too... slow. Maybe I need a bigger mouse pad. I'm using the steel series mini.
Keep in mind, I only play sc2 and I've always been a finger tip/claw grip player.
So I want to try the g502/ Death Adder Chroma (both x5pig and snute use these on 800 dpi) but I understand these are both traditionally palm gripped.
On February 09 2016 05:19 WellCrap wrote: The g9x shape is possibly the best shape I've used, but like cryo said its sensor isn't the best.
Is your abby the old or 2014 version? I read that they did something with the new shell to preload the the switches similar to the g302/303.
If you want something cheap you could always pick up a g100s on ebay/amazon for sub 20$. Wider shape but slightly mushy buttons, pretty solid weight if you open her up and remove the metal piece.
Yeah my Abyssus is at least 3 years old. I'm planning on trying a newer one to see how they've progressed. I was using the mirrored version anyway.
So the search continues for mice Korean pros use these days. Just a year ago the choice would be obviously a g9x or mico, but can't buy a mico anywhere
It seems really hard to find up to date list of Korean pros gear. I guess my only choice is watch gsl/ssl with print screen ready in the case they show mouse hand...
The monoprice version of the mico is still on amazon, its the same exact mouse according to pandabearme, just a different logo. Afaik the koreans never stopped using the mico/g9x/g1.(execpt byun with the g303/302 and zest with the 2013 krait.) I only ever get to see the g9x's and micos in PL/gsl/ssl. I'm guessing the teamhouses have a closet filled with them.
Talking about Micos... Can someone recommend me a Mouse with a similar size/weight (it does not have to be ambidextrous). But with additional Side-buttons? thanks in advance^^
1. What's your grip style? fingertip 2. What's your sensitivity? medium (800dpi currently) 3. What's your maximum budget? - 4. Do you want additional buttons? not needed but i dont mind them if they're there 5. What games do you play? league of legends, starcraft 2 6. Do you mind angle snapping? Would like to avoid it. 7. Other relevant information: It seems like I wear down my mice a lot faster than most people, I would like to get one that is durable but I'm having a hard time finding any reliable information about this. I'm currently using a logitech g400s, I like the size/shape of it but I've had problems with the buttons getting stuck and/or being unresponsive. I was looking at the g303 but I think it's too small to be comfortable for me.
Bought a used 2014 abyssus, Feels pretty okay. Here's a small write up.
Its surprisingly solidly built, I can get my g100s shell and mico shell to start creaking if I squeeze the mouse where as this one doesn't do that at all. Really didn't expect this after trying the deathadders cromas/2013 at a local pc cafe(everyonther pc seems to have either too loose buttons or borderline broken ones.)
Buttons are alright, a bit too soft to my liking but I'm used to huanos. The travel is slightly uneven where the right click feels slightly spongy(used to g9x and mico, so I'm pretty picky). Wish the cable was a bit better, its not as flexible as the mico's.
No issues with sensor, I'm not sure if the previous owner did the firmware update but I don't reach high enough speeds in sc/dota to have it matter. I don't like having to run synapse to be in the dpi range that I'm comfortable with.(600-1k.) Doesn't seem to space out on the blue/purple parts of my MVP goliathus.
As far as the shape goes it wish it didn't get wider at the top/front but would rather stay the same width or get thinner, because of this it feels like I have worse control of the mouse during side to side movement. The side grip things are pointless. They feel more slippery than the plastic that's used for the rest of the mouse.
Scroll-wheel is better than on the mico(pretty hard to make it worse...)
I'd feel comfortable recommending this mouse overall. Other mice that I currently own are the Zowie mico, logitech g9x, g400, g100s, razer salmosa progamer/mini edition, Steelseries kana and kana v2, nionix aurora, microsoft intelimouse. If you have any questions just let me know.
This confuses me to no end. Feels mathematically analysed, and I just want to play cs, but my mind is set on learning aim with good settings, so that I don't have to unlearn and learn again later if I feel sucked in.
I'm using a old Eizo monitor, FS2xxx something with 60hz, was very popular before with gamers. As you see in the spreadsheet, almost noone is using 1920 resolution. Question Are they calculating resolution, hertz and dpi settings all together? Assuming acceleration 0 and win-sensitivity 6/11 as usual. How do they get to that exact number? They don't just take it out of thin air I guess.
Lets say I want 270degrees over 30cm, is this the first step in plotting in resolution, hz and dpi?
Resolution doesn't matter in CS when it comes to mouse sensitivity, you'll have the same at 1080p and 720p. You can use any DPI you like, but you need to know that if you use a very high DPI setting you want to play with m_rawinput 1 (otherwise it might cause accel issues, you probably want to play with rawinput anyway, there is no downside that I know of). If you use rawinput, windows sens/accel don't matter anymore. You probably want to choose a sensitivity that fits you between 1 and 2 at 800 dpi (2 and 4 at 400 dpi, etc). You shouldn't pick a pro's, it all depends on your preference, the size of your hands, the way your grip your mouse... However using more than 2@800 dpi isn't very common as you pretty much just lose accuracy and gain nothing. Some pros use very very low sens, it's up to you to try that and see how it feels. You should know though that playing with the same sense for a long time is much more important than finding the perfect sensitivity; as long as you can do a 180° quickly and check corners comfortably, you should be fine.
Edit : oh also, about resolution, use whatever you like too. Most players use 4:3 out of 1.6 habit, but to be honest playing on 1080p looks much clearer and crisper, and now that you can change the width of the sniper scope bars, there isn't many reasons to play on lower resolutions unless you have FPS issues.
On March 03 2016 22:13 Nimix wrote: Resolution doesn't matter in CS when it comes to mouse sensitivity, you'll have the same at 1080p and 720p. You can use any DPI you like, but you need to know that if you use a very high DPI setting you want to play with m_rawinput 1 (otherwise it might cause accel issues, you probably want to play with rawinput anyway, there is no downside that I know of). If you use rawinput, windows sens/accel don't matter anymore. You probably want to choose a sensitivity that fits you between 1 and 2 at 800 dpi (2 and 4 at 400 dpi, etc). You shouldn't pick a pro's, it all depends on your preference, the size of your hands, the way your grip your mouse... However using more than 2@800 dpi isn't very common as you pretty much just lose accuracy and gain nothing. Some pros use very very low sens, it's up to you to try that and see how it feels. You should know though that playing with the same sense for a long time is much more important than finding the perfect sensitivity; as long as you can do a 180° quickly and check corners comfortably, you should be fine.
Edit : oh also, about resolution, use whatever you like too. Most players use 4:3 out of 1.6 habit, but to be honest playing on 1080p looks much clearer and crisper, and now that you can change the width of the sniper scope bars, there isn't many reasons to play on lower resolutions unless you have FPS issues.
Thanks a lot. Been reading since I posted, and I thank you for being the conclusion, I really needed that. And yes, I understand why pro's have it so weird with their resolution settings now.
Is it really no difference with using 400 or 800dpi? I mean, as you said, you can just go sens between 2-4@ 400, 1-2@800dpi. Or is it in fact a different feeling?
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