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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
xornet doesn't perform so great at 2000dpi iirc. It was a ~1000dpi mouse. I mean, go look at mouse performance graphs, i'm not sure if it was really significant or not, but i seem to remember hearing it was best at 1k~ The steps were awkward for me to use, i had to use 1000 with 5/11 windows which is visibly inconsistent | ||
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YoTcA
Germany151 Posts
Now I am not sure, if this is only EVGA selling their product, or if there is truth in it and the problem is fixed. I am wondering, has anybody tested the actualy sensor that is used in the EVGA mouse or knows about an test on the internet? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
They might be talking about "fixing" the acceleration by offsetting the tracking so that it averages out to be about 1.00x speed (as expected) - but the sensor itself is inconsistent, when you move a certain distance, there's about a 5-7% variance in where the pointer will actually end up compared to where it's supposed to end up. Other mice don't have that flaw, if you move the same distance, the pointer will always end up in the same place.. within a small margin for error, usually even less than 1%. A 5-7% inconsistency with an average speed of 1.00x is better than a 5-7% inconsistency with an average speed of 1.05x on fast swipes.. But that doesn't fix the main problem which is the inconsistency. As far as i'm aware no mouse or implementation of the sensor has made any significant progress there in years, this one included. I can't tell you 100% but i can tell you it's almost certainly best to assume that it still has that flaw. It's been "fixed" many times over the years, never with any result, and also talked up by the people trying to sell the mice because they don't like that bad publicity when people who look for basic advice on mice are turned away from them due to "acceleration" | ||
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YoTcA
Germany151 Posts
gnrrrr. This mouse looked promising -.- All-hard-plastic case and 2 thumb buttons. And the search goes on... edt: thanks for the insight. edt2: does anybody have an hands-on experience on the zowie fk? | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On November 23 2014 07:52 Cyro wrote: the g302 sensor fails around ~2.6-2.7m/s iirc, which you will hit usually on peaks if you are transitioning between med and low sens FPS (not ultra low) - i play about 50cm/360 on planetside 2 just to turn around a lot and i was hitting 3.5m/s with that without practice as i didn't really play FPS for 6 months due to using xornet xornet doesn't perform so great at 2000dpi iirc. It was a ~1000dpi mouse. I mean, go look at mouse performance graphs, i'm not sure if it was really significant or not, but i seem to remember hearing it was best at 1k~ The steps were awkward for me to use, i had to use 1000 with 5/11 windows which is visibly inconsistent Some guy with a G302 made screenshots of that "enotus" mouse test software and it recorded something like 3.5 m/s the way I remember. Logitech might have managed to squeeze something extra out of the sensor's max speed compared to the way it's used in the G402. Also, about 400/800/1600/etc. dpi being native, I was under the impression that there's nothing known about the native steps being just those dpi settings. There's nothing wrong about the tiny 80 dpi steps it can do, so something like 880 or 960 probably isn't any different than the 800 setting. EDIT: Here's where I've seen those 3.5 m/s: http://www.overclock.net/t/1513987/logitech-g302-soon/780#post_23178730 EDIT2: Another guy posted test results in that thread I linked to, and he only sees something that fits with 2.7 m/s max speed number, not those 3.5 m/s. I'd guess the idea that something about the max speed is improved was wrong after all. The difference might be caused by the mouse pad for example. The slower speed guy mentioned he uses a cloth pad (Zowie G-TF). | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
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semantics
10040 Posts
http://www.overclock.net/t/1499731/after-some-digging-around-web-the-logitech-g402-hyperion-fury-mouse/350#post_22639253 CPate <-- who is a logitech forum rep, referring to G402 Same sensor with new settings. CPI steps are 240-4000 in steps of 80 - so you can get native 400/800/1600/etc. CPI range was extended, but there is still zero smoothing at 2000 CPI and below. 2080 CPI and above implement 4 frames (<1ms) of smoothing in order to mitigate ripple. Sensors with smoothing levels that people find problematic are typically around 4-7ms. The G302 isn't the same as the G402 which has different firmware to support it's accelerometer. But more than likely has the same emitter, lense and sensor with similar firmware. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Any suggestions for a faster gliding pad than my qck+ for use with g402? Between the added weight of the mouse and increased surface area of feet, friction OP and needs nerf ASAP Current is 45x40cm, need 40cm height if possible (35cm would probably be ok; 30 is too small) and more width than 40cm isn't really a bad thing. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
When inspecting the bottom of the mouse under a lamp and playing with the angle, it seems to me those two small feet in the middle reflect light differently. Those two tiny feet appeared to have a somewhat coarse surface while the normal feet were perfectly smooth and shiny (at least in the areas where they were polished by the mouse pad). When I removed those two feet, one of them came off perfectly. On the second one, the thing came off as two sheets as if it would be a two-layered material, so that one is sadly broken and I can't revert the mouse to its original state any more (not that I want to right now, but you never know). | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On November 23 2014 13:12 Ropid wrote: Some guy with a G302 made screenshots of that "enotus" mouse test software and it recorded something like 3.5 m/s the way I remember. Logitech might have managed to squeeze something extra out of the sensor's max speed compared to the way it's used in the G402. Also, about 400/800/1600/etc. dpi being native, I was under the impression that there's nothing known about the native steps being just those dpi settings. There's nothing wrong about the tiny 80 dpi steps it can do, so something like 880 or 960 probably isn't any different than the 800 setting. EDIT: Here's where I've seen those 3.5 m/s: http://www.overclock.net/t/1513987/logitech-g302-soon/780#post_23178730 Another guy posted test results in that thread I linked to, and he only sees something that fits with a 2.7 m/s max speed number, not those 3.5 m/s. I'd guess the idea that something about the max speed is improved was wrong after all. The difference might be caused by the mouse pad for example, or it might be the software (the slower speed is measured by a different, better program). | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
Installing the G series drivers for the mouse it apparently also updated drivers for my g35 headset. You wouldn't think that would be a problem but apparently the g drivers for the last few years have completely fucked up sound so using ancient drivers is significantly better. Now I'll get some popping and crackling, if I have twitch open and mumble or a game it starts having issues. When I hit ctrl (my push to talk key in mumble) it'll make other sounds louder, which makes no sense why you'd turn up other programs when talking and attenuation is disabled so it REALLY doesn't make any sense. Anyone else had this problem? Anyone think of a cute solution? The only thing I've found is to use the old g35 driver and return the mouse and never buy a logitech peripheral again so you're not forced into using drivers that will fuck your sound up, this is really annoying =/ | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On November 24 2014 07:40 OuchyDathurts wrote: So I got a Logitech g502 and I like it however it has come with an odd and really annoying issue. Installing the G series drivers for the mouse it apparently also updated drivers for my g35 headset. You wouldn't think that would be a problem but apparently the g drivers for the last few years have completely fucked up sound so using ancient drivers is significantly better. Now I'll get some popping and crackling, if I have twitch open and mumble or a game it starts having issues. When I hit ctrl (my push to talk key in mumble) it'll make other sounds louder, which makes no sense why you'd turn up other programs when talking and attenuation is disabled so it REALLY doesn't make any sense. Anyone else had this problem? Anyone think of a cute solution? The only thing I've found is to use the old g35 driver and return the mouse and never buy a logitech peripheral again so you're not forced into using drivers that will fuck your sound up, this is really annoying =/ Do you have an early version of the G35? The popping and cracking issue was bleed from transmit and receive parts of the headset which was especially bad on certain motherboard chipsets, which was corrected in later versions. Logitech made a huge refund effort to correct this, basically free exchange of headset shipping paid. | ||
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wptlzkwjd
Canada1240 Posts
On November 24 2014 07:40 OuchyDathurts wrote: So I got a Logitech g502 and I like it however it has come with an odd and really annoying issue. Installing the G series drivers for the mouse it apparently also updated drivers for my g35 headset. You wouldn't think that would be a problem but apparently the g drivers for the last few years have completely fucked up sound so using ancient drivers is significantly better. Now I'll get some popping and crackling, if I have twitch open and mumble or a game it starts having issues. When I hit ctrl (my push to talk key in mumble) it'll make other sounds louder, which makes no sense why you'd turn up other programs when talking and attenuation is disabled so it REALLY doesn't make any sense. Anyone else had this problem? Anyone think of a cute solution? The only thing I've found is to use the old g35 driver and return the mouse and never buy a logitech peripheral again so you're not forced into using drivers that will fuck your sound up, this is really annoying =/ I use Beats by Dre, my sound was already fucked when I updated my G502. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
On November 24 2014 14:21 wptlzkwjd wrote: I use Beats by Dre, my sound was already fucked when I updated my G502. + Show Spoiler + semi unrelated ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/mf5Xibg.png) | ||
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kinsky
Germany368 Posts
LOL! | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On November 24 2014 11:31 semantics wrote: Do you have an early version of the G35? The popping and cracking issue was bleed from transmit and receive parts of the headset which was especially bad on certain motherboard chipsets, which was corrected in later versions. Logitech made a huge refund effort to correct this, basically free exchange of headset shipping paid. I'm guessing I've had this pair for 1.5-3 years, somewhere in that neighborhood. Its the 2nd one I've owned. It's always been completely fine till this. I even replaced the old molting ear pads because she still worked perfectly well besides those things flaking out. Think I qualify? Replacing them with a new version stops it? | ||
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wptlzkwjd
Canada1240 Posts
Haha what the fuck? Dem paint skillz doe. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
On November 26 2014 04:06 wptlzkwjd wrote: Haha what the fuck? Dem paint skillz doe. That one was from r0ach complaining about logitech etc (well.. a ton of companies recently) adding too much flashy useless stuff to mice | ||
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