The Ultimate Mouse Thread - Page 163

Zx_Storm

United States49 Posts

April 22 2014 21:08 GMT

#3241

On April 23 2014 05:41 Cyro wrote:
3310 pretty gud

rival long and heavy

Alright thanks!

So after doing some searching these are the ones I am looking at:

Rival
Sensei RAW
Logitech G602
Mionix Naos 7000
Logitech G502

out of these which ones is the best? I tend to use a kind of palm/claw hybrid grip.

Thanks Again!

Cyro

United Kingdom20285 Posts

April 22 2014 21:16 GMT

#3242

On April 23 2014 06:08 Zx_Storm wrote:

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Not sensei, g502 or g602 and i prefer the naos to the rival because it's shorter/smaller and ambidextrous shape (which means no ridiculous slopes that prevent you from moving the mouse in certain directions unless you use an exaggerated palm grip that you might not want to do)

Tossim111

United States246 Posts

April 22 2014 21:18 GMT

#3243

I'm sorry, what's wrong with the G502? So far it has gotten only positive reviews from what I have seen and has been said to have THE best sensor in the game.

Ropid

Germany3557 Posts

April 22 2014 21:20 GMT

#3244

Drop the Sensei from your list because of its sensor.

The G602 might be the best wireless mouse you can get, but you should still only choose it if you really want wireless.

The rest are all great so buy what you like best. The G502 has the newest/best sensor but the others shouldn't be noticeably worse which means they'll beat it if your hand likes them better. The G502 is unusually heavy for a wired mouse.

I'd buy somewhere where you are sure you will be able to give the mouse back without issue and try a different model as each of them is expensive and each mouse seems a bit strange in its own way (with regards to shape mostly).

Cyro

United Kingdom20285 Posts

April 22 2014 21:23 GMT

#3245

Wait, is the G502 the one with the 3366? It looked like one of the crazy DPI lazor variants.

Zx_Storm

United States49 Posts

April 22 2014 21:24 GMT

#3246

On April 23 2014 06:16 Cyro wrote:

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On April 23 2014 06:20 Ropid wrote:
Drop the Sensei from your list because of its sensor.

The G602 might be the best wireless mouse you can get, but you should still only choose it if you really want wireless.

The rest are all great so buy what you like best. The G502 has the newest/best sensor but the others shouldn't be noticeably worse which means they'll beat it if your hand likes them better. The G502 is unusually heavy for a wired mouse.

I'd buy somewhere where you are sure you will be able to give the mouse back without issue and try a different model as each of them is expensive and each mouse seems a bit strange in its own way (with regards to shape mostly).

I will take a 2nd look at the G502, Naos, and Rival again then. The Rival would be perfect, but the shape is a bit odd. I am leaning towards the G502/Naos right now, but we'll see.

Thanks~

Cyro

United Kingdom20285 Posts

April 22 2014 21:25 GMT

#3247

On April 23 2014 06:24 Zx_Storm wrote:

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Alright, I will take a look at the Rival and the Naos again then.

Thanks~

Seems 502 is good too, if you want the shape and weight of it! Rival/Naos7k/502

Zx_Storm

United States49 Posts

April 22 2014 21:28 GMT

#3248

On April 23 2014 06:25 Cyro wrote:

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Seems 502 is good too, if you want the shape and weight of it! Rival/Naos7k/502

Alright thanks to everyone for helping to narrow down my search, I will look into those 3.

wptlzkwjd

Canada1240 Posts

April 23 2014 03:36 GMT

#3249

The G602 is really good. The battery life is extremely long lasting and the sensor works perfectly. The 500Hz polling rate of the mouse makes it seem like you're using a wired mouse. There are only two problems I've had with it: the wireless dongle is tiny and if you forget to put it back in the mouse, it's really hard to find especially if you drop it behind your desk. The other problem is that the mouse (which works with even just 1 battery) is very heavy compared to something like a Zowie MiCO. It's hard to adjust due to the physically large size of the G602. The G502 is easier to adjust to the new heavier weight since it's smaller.

Cyro

United Kingdom20285 Posts

April 23 2014 11:32 GMT

#3250

On April 23 2014 12:36 wptlzkwjd wrote:
The G602 is really good. The battery life is extremely long lasting and the sensor works perfectly. The 500Hz polling rate of the mouse makes it seem like you're using a wired mouse. There are only two problems I've had with it: the wireless dongle is tiny and if you forget to put it back in the mouse, it's really hard to find especially if you drop it behind your desk. The other problem is that the mouse (which works with even just 1 battery) is very heavy compared to something like a Zowie MiCO. It's hard to adjust due to the physically large size of the G602. The G502 is easier to adjust to the new heavier weight since it's smaller.

The sensor is inferior, in a best case scenario it doesn't work for med-low sens FPS but it works almost as well for stuff like Starcraft - it's even bigger like you said, and it weighs ~153g, as opposed to the more typical ~70-100g (quoting abyssus, cm storm spawn, avior 7k etc)

I didn't see any good arguments for using a wireless mouse for performance reasons, only some personal ones for why people don't like giving up performance for wireless form factor, so best to avoid them completely IMO unless you have specific need for a wireless..performanace..gaming mouse

Ropid

Germany3557 Posts

April 23 2014 11:45 GMT

#3251

An argument for using the G602 for wireless is simply that the normal wireless mice feel terrible. They are always laggy and strange and the G602 does not have that problem.

I bet its weight helps in keeping the mouse under control when using a higher sens than what you'd normally use. That can be turned into an argument for the mouse if you want to be able to use it at a table where you don't like to use your normal sens for your wired mouse because of space reasons.

Cyro

United Kingdom20285 Posts

April 23 2014 12:08 GMT

#3252

On April 23 2014 20:45 Ropid wrote:
An argument for using the G602 for wireless is simply that the normal wireless mice feel terrible. They are always laggy and strange and the G602 does not have that problem.

I bet its weight helps in keeping the mouse under control when using a higher sens than what you'd normally use. That can be turned into an argument for the mouse if you want to be able to use it at a table where you don't like to use your normal sens for your wired mouse because of space reasons.

This still reads to me as "it lets you play suboptimally instead of terribly" though

Thalandros

Netherlands1151 Posts

April 23 2014 14:14 GMT

#3253

Is there really nobody with a claw grip that used to the G400s? I'm still looking at the DA'13 and G400s (S because normal one isn't being produced anymore apparently.) but keeping my options open for other mice. Rival seemed decent.

Cyro

United Kingdom20285 Posts

April 23 2014 14:57 GMT

#3254

It's hard to claw a DA because of the size/shape and the poor grip on most of the sides, also poor feet with pretty low area that get worn down fast, it's very hard to make it do what you want unless you have a solid squeezy grip over the center of mass which i found significantly too far forward for comfortable fingertip/claw (my biggest complaint by far)

Thalandros

Netherlands1151 Posts

April 23 2014 17:34 GMT

#3255

On April 23 2014 23:57 Cyro wrote:
It's hard to claw a DA because of the size/shape and the poor grip on most of the sides, also poor feet with pretty low area that get worn down fast, it's very hard to make it do what you want unless you have a solid squeezy grip over the center of mass which i found significantly too far forward for comfortable fingertip/claw (my biggest complaint by far)

Yeah, I've heard that from people but I've also heard the opposite, it's perfectly able to claw grip comfortably. This is why I might try it out and return if it's not comfy enough. I mainly want some comments on the other mice! :D

Cyro

United Kingdom20285 Posts

April 23 2014 17:42 GMT

#3256

On April 24 2014 02:34 Thalandros wrote:

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"claw" just means completely different things to different people

Here's two examples of claw grip -without rotating the sensor-

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overall i just found the sensor to be too far up (which led to inconsistency and drifting in movements while outside of FPS engines) and center of mass to be too high up the mouse for fingertip/claw as well as general grippy problems and issues moving it sharply and exactly

if you grip/control differently or have different needs, it might be different. I had little problems with the mouse in FPS - just outside, i thought i'd get used to it for like over a year before i realized it was being annoying and holding me back a lot

Thalandros

Netherlands1151 Posts

April 23 2014 18:31 GMT

#3257

Heh. I currently claw a Sensei, and they seem pretty close. Can you confirm if you have any experience with the Sensei? (Normal version) Sensei seems to go alright with most grips except the smallest fingertip grip obviously.

Cyro

United Kingdom20285 Posts

April 23 2014 20:05 GMT

#3258

On April 24 2014 03:31 Thalandros wrote:
Heh. I currently claw a Sensei, and they seem pretty close. Can you confirm if you have any experience with the Sensei? (Normal version) Sensei seems to go alright with most grips except the smallest fingertip grip obviously.

The Sensei is ambidextrous, the deathadder is absolutely not (molded to right-hand palm, with some "features" including the right hand side of mouse sloping downwards)

To give you a clue of what i mean and why it can be terrible for some grips, here's sensei from the front:

Compared to DA:

It's a pretty good mouse, but i just wouldn't recommend it to most people who don't use a clear right hand palm grip

wptlzkwjd

Canada1240 Posts

April 24 2014 04:51 GMT

#3259

On April 23 2014 20:32 Cyro wrote:

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Not too sure what you're saying its inferior to...or how it's inferior. At 400 DPI the G602 works just like any other gaming mice I've used (MiCO, DA 2013, Naga 2014, Mini Optical, Logitech G5, Copperhead, Orochi). I've played SC2, CSS, and CSGO using all these mice and the sensors all feel the same to me. It's the weight and size that takes time getting used to.

IMO, the sensor specifications are far less important than the shape and weight of a mouse unless you require a high sensitivity setting. Picking a mouse that is uncomfortable but has a better sensor is a mistake unless the sensor malfunctions constantly or breaks down after a few weeks.

TheFlock

United States389 Posts

April 24 2014 23:54 GMT

#3260

Hello TL tech forum!

I have been thinking about getting a new mouse for a long time now, but i'm the type that likes to wait for my mouse to break to get a new one... Well after it has been clicking randomly in ladder games, I think the time has come.

Having done so much research before on different models and reading reviews, I'm having a hard time making a decision with so many options. So I was hoping the good people in this thread might have some advice to help me settle on one.

This will be my first gaming mouse purchase, having been perfectly happy playing casually with this little guy: http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Corded-Mouse-M125-Silver/dp/B003JZCE7A/ref=pd_bxgy_e_img_y
I never had a problem with the size of it and it has served me well for years, however, I am looking to upgrade. Because of the size and weight I have gotten used to a claw/fingertip that is comfortable for me. So I have been looking into smaller, lighter mice (I am negotiable on this though). Also, I don't use macros or need to change DPI settings on the fly so I do not require an excess of buttons. A mid-range mouse that is comfortable and durable would be perfect.

People seem to like their deathadders right? I have been looking into those despite the bigger size
I got my brother a Mionix mouse that he seems to like
The G502 you all have been talking about seems pretty nice, but those buttons look like they might get in the way for me
I keep looking at the Roccat Kone or other roccat models and I'm not sure how it compares after reading the reviews

TL;DR First time gaming mouse buyer, used to small mouse, claw/fingertip style, looking at ^mice wondering if anyone has experience with them or recommendations (on others) based on personal use. THANKS!

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