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Zx_Storm
United States49 Posts
On April 23 2014 05:41 Cyro wrote: 3310 pretty gud rival long and heavy Alright thanks! So after doing some searching these are the ones I am looking at: Rival Sensei RAW Logitech G602 Mionix Naos 7000 Logitech G502 out of these which ones is the best? I tend to use a kind of palm/claw hybrid grip. Thanks Again! | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
On April 23 2014 06:08 Zx_Storm wrote: Alright thanks! So after doing some searching these are the ones I am looking at: Rival Sensei RAW Logitech G602 Mionix Naos 7000 Logitech G502 out of these which ones is the best? I tend to use a kind of palm/claw hybrid grip. Thanks Again! Not sensei, g502 or g602 and i prefer the naos to the rival because it's shorter/smaller and ambidextrous shape (which means no ridiculous slopes that prevent you from moving the mouse in certain directions unless you use an exaggerated palm grip that you might not want to do) | ||
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Tossim111
United States246 Posts
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
The G602 might be the best wireless mouse you can get, but you should still only choose it if you really want wireless. The rest are all great so buy what you like best. The G502 has the newest/best sensor but the others shouldn't be noticeably worse which means they'll beat it if your hand likes them better. The G502 is unusually heavy for a wired mouse. I'd buy somewhere where you are sure you will be able to give the mouse back without issue and try a different model as each of them is expensive and each mouse seems a bit strange in its own way (with regards to shape mostly). | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
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Zx_Storm
United States49 Posts
On April 23 2014 06:16 Cyro wrote: Not sensei, g502 or g602 and i prefer the naos to the rival because it's shorter/smaller and ambidextrous shape (which means no ridiculous slopes that prevent you from moving the mouse in certain directions unless you use an exaggerated palm grip that you might not want to do) On April 23 2014 06:20 Ropid wrote: Drop the Sensei from your list because of its sensor. The G602 might be the best wireless mouse you can get, but you should still only choose it if you really want wireless. The rest are all great so buy what you like best. The G502 has the newest/best sensor but the others shouldn't be noticeably worse which means they'll beat it if your hand likes them better. The G502 is unusually heavy for a wired mouse. I'd buy somewhere where you are sure you will be able to give the mouse back without issue and try a different model as each of them is expensive and each mouse seems a bit strange in its own way (with regards to shape mostly). I will take a 2nd look at the G502, Naos, and Rival again then. The Rival would be perfect, but the shape is a bit odd. I am leaning towards the G502/Naos right now, but we'll see. Thanks~ | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
On April 23 2014 06:24 Zx_Storm wrote: Alright, I will take a look at the Rival and the Naos again then. Thanks~ Seems 502 is good too, if you want the shape and weight of it! Rival/Naos7k/502 | ||
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Zx_Storm
United States49 Posts
On April 23 2014 06:25 Cyro wrote: Seems 502 is good too, if you want the shape and weight of it! Rival/Naos7k/502 Alright thanks to everyone for helping to narrow down my search, I will look into those 3. | ||
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wptlzkwjd
Canada1240 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
On April 23 2014 12:36 wptlzkwjd wrote: The G602 is really good. The battery life is extremely long lasting and the sensor works perfectly. The 500Hz polling rate of the mouse makes it seem like you're using a wired mouse. There are only two problems I've had with it: the wireless dongle is tiny and if you forget to put it back in the mouse, it's really hard to find especially if you drop it behind your desk. The other problem is that the mouse (which works with even just 1 battery) is very heavy compared to something like a Zowie MiCO. It's hard to adjust due to the physically large size of the G602. The G502 is easier to adjust to the new heavier weight since it's smaller. The sensor is inferior, in a best case scenario it doesn't work for med-low sens FPS but it works almost as well for stuff like Starcraft - it's even bigger like you said, and it weighs ~153g, as opposed to the more typical ~70-100g (quoting abyssus, cm storm spawn, avior 7k etc) I didn't see any good arguments for using a wireless mouse for performance reasons, only some personal ones for why people don't like giving up performance for wireless form factor, so best to avoid them completely IMO unless you have specific need for a wireless..performanace..gaming mouse | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
I bet its weight helps in keeping the mouse under control when using a higher sens than what you'd normally use. That can be turned into an argument for the mouse if you want to be able to use it at a table where you don't like to use your normal sens for your wired mouse because of space reasons. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
On April 23 2014 20:45 Ropid wrote: An argument for using the G602 for wireless is simply that the normal wireless mice feel terrible. They are always laggy and strange and the G602 does not have that problem. I bet its weight helps in keeping the mouse under control when using a higher sens than what you'd normally use. That can be turned into an argument for the mouse if you want to be able to use it at a table where you don't like to use your normal sens for your wired mouse because of space reasons. This still reads to me as "it lets you play suboptimally instead of terribly" though | ||
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Thalandros
Netherlands1151 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
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Thalandros
Netherlands1151 Posts
On April 23 2014 23:57 Cyro wrote: It's hard to claw a DA because of the size/shape and the poor grip on most of the sides, also poor feet with pretty low area that get worn down fast, it's very hard to make it do what you want unless you have a solid squeezy grip over the center of mass which i found significantly too far forward for comfortable fingertip/claw (my biggest complaint by far) Yeah, I've heard that from people but I've also heard the opposite, it's perfectly able to claw grip comfortably. This is why I might try it out and return if it's not comfy enough. I mainly want some comments on the other mice! :D | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
On April 24 2014 02:34 Thalandros wrote: Yeah, I've heard that from people but I've also heard the opposite, it's perfectly able to claw grip comfortably. This is why I might try it out and return if it's not comfy enough. I mainly want some comments on the other mice! :D "claw" just means completely different things to different people Here's two examples of claw grip -without rotating the sensor- + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/b7EteuJ.jpg) - ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/kLtD9Gi.jpg) overall i just found the sensor to be too far up (which led to inconsistency and drifting in movements while outside of FPS engines) and center of mass to be too high up the mouse for fingertip/claw as well as general grippy problems and issues moving it sharply and exactly if you grip/control differently or have different needs, it might be different. I had little problems with the mouse in FPS - just outside, i thought i'd get used to it for like over a year before i realized it was being annoying and holding me back a lot | ||
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Thalandros
Netherlands1151 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20342 Posts
On April 24 2014 03:31 Thalandros wrote: Heh. I currently claw a Sensei, and they seem pretty close. Can you confirm if you have any experience with the Sensei? (Normal version) Sensei seems to go alright with most grips except the smallest fingertip grip obviously. The Sensei is ambidextrous, the deathadder is absolutely not (molded to right-hand palm, with some "features" including the right hand side of mouse sloping downwards) To give you a clue of what i mean and why it can be terrible for some grips, here's sensei from the front: ![[image loading]](http://www.cravingtech.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/SteelSeries-Sensei-Review-front-close.jpg) Compared to DA: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/sDt6PCk.jpg) It's a pretty good mouse, but i just wouldn't recommend it to most people who don't use a clear right hand palm grip | ||
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wptlzkwjd
Canada1240 Posts
On April 23 2014 20:32 Cyro wrote: The sensor is inferior, in a best case scenario it doesn't work for med-low sens FPS but it works almost as well for stuff like Starcraft - it's even bigger like you said, and it weighs ~153g, as opposed to the more typical ~70-100g (quoting abyssus, cm storm spawn, avior 7k etc) I didn't see any good arguments for using a wireless mouse for performance reasons, only some personal ones for why people don't like giving up performance for wireless form factor, so best to avoid them completely IMO unless you have specific need for a wireless..performanace..gaming mouse Not too sure what you're saying its inferior to...or how it's inferior. At 400 DPI the G602 works just like any other gaming mice I've used (MiCO, DA 2013, Naga 2014, Mini Optical, Logitech G5, Copperhead, Orochi). I've played SC2, CSS, and CSGO using all these mice and the sensors all feel the same to me. It's the weight and size that takes time getting used to. IMO, the sensor specifications are far less important than the shape and weight of a mouse unless you require a high sensitivity setting. Picking a mouse that is uncomfortable but has a better sensor is a mistake unless the sensor malfunctions constantly or breaks down after a few weeks. | ||
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TheFlock
United States389 Posts
I have been thinking about getting a new mouse for a long time now, but i'm the type that likes to wait for my mouse to break to get a new one... Well after it has been clicking randomly in ladder games, I think the time has come. Having done so much research before on different models and reading reviews, I'm having a hard time making a decision with so many options. So I was hoping the good people in this thread might have some advice to help me settle on one. This will be my first gaming mouse purchase, having been perfectly happy playing casually with this little guy: http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Corded-Mouse-M125-Silver/dp/B003JZCE7A/ref=pd_bxgy_e_img_y I never had a problem with the size of it and it has served me well for years, however, I am looking to upgrade. Because of the size and weight I have gotten used to a claw/fingertip that is comfortable for me. So I have been looking into smaller, lighter mice (I am negotiable on this though). Also, I don't use macros or need to change DPI settings on the fly so I do not require an excess of buttons. A mid-range mouse that is comfortable and durable would be perfect. People seem to like their deathadders right? I have been looking into those despite the bigger size I got my brother a Mionix mouse that he seems to like The G502 you all have been talking about seems pretty nice, but those buttons look like they might get in the way for me I keep looking at the Roccat Kone or other roccat models and I'm not sure how it compares after reading the reviews TL;DR First time gaming mouse buyer, used to small mouse, claw/fingertip style, looking at ^mice wondering if anyone has experience with them or recommendations (on others) based on personal use. THANKS! | ||
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