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On November 23 2010 17:57 sluggaslamoo wrote:
No. The switches last ten times longer. The keycaps are very fragile because of the way the connectors are shaped and how thin they are. This is not good when you are constantly taking it with you to lans and whatnot. This is why companies sell after-market dual-injection molded keycaps for cherry switch keyboards, but rarely (if any) topre capacitive ones.
Any idea where I can get some dual-injection molded keycaps for a Filco Cherry keyboard online? I can't seem to find any anywhere.
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Try geekhack. A lot of community members have banded up to buy replacement dual-injection keycaps from a plastics company. They need to group up to make an order because individual orders of one or two aren't accepted.
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Whats the response time of a Filco Majestouch? Normal 8ms or 1ms?
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I'd say: depends on what your USB polling frequency is. If you haven't tweaked it, it's 8ms... for all attached devices including your mouse.
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How can you tweak that? Also, does using the round specific keyboard and mouse coneector help?
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On November 29 2010 04:51 FoxSpirit wrote:
I'd say: depends on what your USB polling frequency is. If you haven't tweaked it, it's 8ms... for all attached devices including your mouse.
Razers (mechanical) keyboards have 1ms
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Those still interested in good mechs http://global.pchome.com.tw/ is having a sale and you can get some good duckys (very similar build to filcos) with brown black or blue cherry key switches
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In practical terms, it's not possible to improve keyboard response time significantly beyond 8ms, so having 1000 Hz polling is just marketing mumbo-jumbo. The minimum de-bounce time alone is typically 5ms, not to mention the time for matrix scanning, processing in the controller, overhead in the OS and software, 16.67ms between game frames...
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On December 01 2010 04:45 CaptainFwiffo wrote:
In practical terms, it's not possible to improve keyboard response time significantly beyond 8ms, so having 1000 Hz polling is just marketing mumbo-jumbo. The minimum de-bounce time alone is typically 5ms, not to mention the time for matrix scanning, processing in the controller, overhead in the OS and software, 16.67ms between game frames...
Well thats dissapointing lol. What about mice?
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On December 01 2010 21:03 magha wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 04:45 CaptainFwiffo wrote:
In practical terms, it's not possible to improve keyboard response time significantly beyond 8ms, so having 1000 Hz polling is just marketing mumbo-jumbo. The minimum de-bounce time alone is typically 5ms, not to mention the time for matrix scanning, processing in the controller, overhead in the OS and software, 16.67ms between game frames... Well thats dissapointing lol. What about mice?
Hmm, optical mice have to take pictures of the surface they're on, and do some calculations and compare old pictures with the newest one. I don't know how much time that costs. I did experiments about the mouse USB polling rate a few years back, when I still used a CRT monitor. The monitor I had ran with 150 Hz at the resolution I played Quake3. Quake3 itself ran with 125 FPS. The tweaking of the USB polling rate from 125 Hz (8 ms) to 500 Hz (2 ms) was very noticable. That I noticed the decrease by 6 ms lead me to believe that the rest of whatever the mouse hardware does, could very well be near to 0 ms. (btw: with the 60 Hz LCD screens nowadays, the USB stuff is a lot less noticable.)
All that is only true for wired mice. I guess wireless has to add error correction to the movement data that's transmitted. I have a Logitech MX1100 wireless mouse, and that thing is so laggy that I only use it as a weight for when I'm airing the room with the ventilator on. The wireless seems to add much more lag than the 6 ms when going from 500 Hz to 125 Hz USB polling rate.
The screen is another point: 60 Hz means, seeing a change in the position of the mouse pointer takes up to 17 ms. With the 125 FPS of Quake3 and the old CRT that could display that, it took only up to 8 ms to show the result of mouse movement. 
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On November 29 2010 04:32 magha wrote:
Whats the response time of a Filco Majestouch? Normal 8ms or 1ms?
Last I read, Cherry MX switches have a debounce time of 5ms, and PS/2 is better than USB because it interrupts, not polls.
Even on USB, the differeence between a normal poll and an 1000hz ULTRAPOLL would not be perceptible.
Also, Filcos aren't coming back to EliteKeyboards. All replacement supplier info is currently speculation though.
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That's a shame.
I need a new board
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On December 06 2010 17:38 Bc wrote:That's a shame. I need a new board
just get the ducky cherry brown model , it'll be similar to FILCO
it's only when you start changing switch designs that the boards start to really become different eg buckling spring instead of cherry switch
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On December 06 2010 17:59 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:just get the ducky cherry brown model , it'll be similar to FILCO it's only when you start changing switch designs that the boards start to really become different eg buckling spring instead of cherry switch
Where can I get a ducky? besides using google translator and ordering from a .tw website
since I think I remember reading that EKB wouldn't have them until Jan/Feb. I don't want to wait that long 
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On November 30 2010 16:03 Inverted wrote:Those still interested in good mechs http://global.pchome.com.tw/ is having a sale and you can get some good duckys (very similar build to filcos) with brown black or blue cherry key switches
they have filcos too. just got this sick blue filco w/ brown switches for $133 shipped. it has chinese characters on it too but whatever!
![[image loading]](http://ec1img.pchome.com.tw/pic/v1/data/item/201011/D/C/A/H/0/X/DCAH0X-A50461312000_4cecb72b5ddca)
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How long does it typically take for them to arrive?
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edit: order went through. ^_^
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On December 06 2010 17:38 Bc wrote:That's a shame. I need a new board
You can order from PChome and a couple other places (Armygroup or something) still.
EliteKeyboards will be stocking Leopold in Jan/Feb 2011.
(EK announced the dates and the vendor switch, but not the new vendor. However, in the meta tags on Elitekeyboards, Leopold now occupies the spot where Filco used to be - meaning EK is trying to get top ranked for leopold now instead of filco).
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On December 06 2010 23:31 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 16:03 Inverted wrote:Those still interested in good mechs http://global.pchome.com.tw/ is having a sale and you can get some good duckys (very similar build to filcos) with brown black or blue cherry key switches they have filcos too. just got this sick blue filco w/ brown switches for $133 shipped. it has chinese characters on it too but whatever!
The color of that is awesome. I wish I knew Chinese x.x
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On December 06 2010 23:31 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 16:03 Inverted wrote:Those still interested in good mechs http://global.pchome.com.tw/ is having a sale and you can get some good duckys (very similar build to filcos) with brown black or blue cherry key switches they have filcos too. just got this sick blue filco w/ brown switches for $133 shipped. it has chinese characters on it too but whatever!
That blue is perfect for a brotoss
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