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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Shadowfax
Profile Joined March 2012
Denmark44 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-23 18:38:28
March 23 2012 00:27 GMT
#19821
Edit: out dated
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
March 23 2012 00:39 GMT
#19822
On March 22 2012 21:51 Rachnar wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Question for you Skyr, i've been reading reviews for the Lian Li PC-A05 and ir fits my needs perfectly but, they say that it is recomended if dual gpu that "If you are running higher end GPUs then it is highly recommended that you add a top blow hole."
for that "Most of us modify the top and add a Blowhole Fan or buy the replacement top panel (T-LM14B-2) which is a replacement Top and has a cut out and Shroud for a 140mm fan. Unfortunately these seem to be out of stock just about everywhere. It is best to use a 4 1/2 inch Hole saw with a drill attachment."
is it easily done?

from http://www.overclock.net/t/880913/the-official-lian-li-pc-a05-club


I don't think it's necessary for 7870s but it should be pretty easy to do regardless if you've worked with power tools before.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
March 23 2012 00:46 GMT
#19823
On March 23 2012 09:39 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 21:51 Rachnar wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Question for you Skyr, i've been reading reviews for the Lian Li PC-A05 and ir fits my needs perfectly but, they say that it is recomended if dual gpu that "If you are running higher end GPUs then it is highly recommended that you add a top blow hole."
for that "Most of us modify the top and add a Blowhole Fan or buy the replacement top panel (T-LM14B-2) which is a replacement Top and has a cut out and Shroud for a 140mm fan. Unfortunately these seem to be out of stock just about everywhere. It is best to use a 4 1/2 inch Hole saw with a drill attachment."
is it easily done?

from http://www.overclock.net/t/880913/the-official-lian-li-pc-a05-club


I don't think it's necessary for 7870s but it should be pretty easy to do regardless if you've worked with power tools before.


I actually would, just because I'd want to keep some of the heat away from the drive bays.

Just err on the side of caution. I know there's some good case modding suppliers out there if you want something more than just a fan grill.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
March 23 2012 01:09 GMT
#19824
PC-A05 is already in the realm of "wait actually not that small" since it's 19.3" x 15" x 8.3" (49cm x 38cm x 21cm). I mean, it's just like three inches shorter than some typical ATX mid towers, and longer than some others--is that any more portable?
BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
March 23 2012 03:26 GMT
#19825
On March 23 2012 07:21 xeo1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2012 05:25 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
get the 460 but dont forget to overclock it. that card loooves oc


is it hard to overclock? i never did it


its super easy nowadays. dl msi afterburner and just play with sliders. you can read up on it if you want or you just set it to 800mhz and be done with it.(havent heared of a 460 that didnt manage 800 with stock voltage yet). bam free performance :>
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
xeo1
Profile Joined October 2011
United States429 Posts
March 23 2012 04:00 GMT
#19826
On March 23 2012 07:34 Nabutso wrote:
Literally just move a slider until you get to a point that it crashes (or gets too hot)


hehe ok simple enough
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
March 23 2012 05:00 GMT
#19827
Dont fiddle with voltage. MSI shouldnt let you by default though.
twitch.tv/medrea
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
March 23 2012 12:35 GMT
#19828
On March 23 2012 14:00 Medrea wrote:
Dont fiddle with voltage. MSI shouldnt let you by default though.


Hey, the threads that follow on from un-researched voltage fiddling are MORE than enough entertainment value to make up for the terrible questions they tend to involve.

DrN0
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom184 Posts
March 23 2012 14:44 GMT
#19829
The GTX 680 was just released http://uk.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-680/performance

It is unofficially the best graphics card out there, my question is; What is the cheapest you could build a computer with a 680 whilst not bottlenecking performance in any which way.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
March 23 2012 14:49 GMT
#19830
You need to rethink your priorities if you need to ask this question.
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
March 23 2012 14:56 GMT
#19831
On March 23 2012 23:44 DrN0 wrote:
The GTX 680 was just released http://uk.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-680/performance

It is unofficially the best graphics card out there, my question is; What is the cheapest you could build a computer with a 680 whilst not bottlenecking performance in any which way.


Computers run programs. You should be focusing on the best performance for the programs you want to run, not building around one piece of hardware. Even ignoring that, your question is literally unanswerable. The concept of 'bottlenecking' performance is mostly just flawed, and even its few valid applications depend on knowing what software you're talking about running.
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
tenacity
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
1587 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-23 16:57:54
March 23 2012 16:56 GMT
#19832
I want to buy a gaming pc and I now have a list with what I want to buy. Can anyone check it whether it's a good setup or whether I have forgotten something to buy? Recommendations of any sort are welcome.

My plan is to buy the parts seperately from an online store and build it together myself. (I have no experience in building a pc nor do I have much knowledge about it, but it costs like 90 bucks to let it built)

CPU: Intel Core 2500k
Motherboard: ASRock z68 Pro3 Gen3 Intel Z68 So.1155 Dual Channel DDR3 ATX Retail
Hard disc: Seagate Barracuda 7200 1TB
Case: Lancool PC-K58 Midi Tower
Power Supply: 520 Antec High Gamer ATX2.3
RAM: TeamGroup 8GB Elite DDR3-1333 CL9 Dual Kit
Graphic card: 1024MB Gigabyte Geforce GTX 560 Ti OC Aktiv PCIe 2.0x16 (Retail)
Hard drive: LG GH 24NS70 24x SA bk Bulk
Cooler: Scythe Mugen 2 REV B AMD & Intel
It does not need to be fun to be fun.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
March 23 2012 17:03 GMT
#19833
In general that all makes sense to me, and everything picked is decent quality. However, we can't say for sure if everything is as good as it could be without knowing pricing of those and of alternatives.
tenacity
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
1587 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-23 17:20:05
March 23 2012 17:14 GMT
#19834
On March 24 2012 02:03 Myrmidon wrote:
In general that all makes sense to me, and everything picked is decent quality. However, we can't say for sure if everything is as good as it could be without knowing pricing of those and of alternatives.


Thanks for the fast reply. The whole packet will cost around 990 US$ (porto included). I need a new one mainly for diablo3 and maybe sc2 - I hope to be able toplay both games on max settings with this setup. (my old one only runs shit like diablo1, sc1 ... ^^)
It does not need to be fun to be fun.
iKill[ShocK]
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Vietnam3530 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-23 17:40:55
March 23 2012 17:40 GMT
#19835
On March 24 2012 02:14 tenacity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 02:03 Myrmidon wrote:
In general that all makes sense to me, and everything picked is decent quality. However, we can't say for sure if everything is as good as it could be without knowing pricing of those and of alternatives.


Thanks for the fast reply. The whole packet will cost around 990 US$ (porto included). I need a new one mainly for diablo3 and maybe sc2 - I hope to be able toplay both games on max settings with this setup. (my old one only runs shit like diablo1, sc1 ... ^^)


(we/us/he) wants to know how much each product is priced so you know you're not overpaying for certain product.

for example $65 for 2x4gb ram. (no good)
<3 Kim Taeyeon
tenacity
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
1587 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-23 17:48:48
March 23 2012 17:46 GMT
#19836
On March 24 2012 02:40 iKill[ShocK] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 02:14 tenacity wrote:
On March 24 2012 02:03 Myrmidon wrote:
In general that all makes sense to me, and everything picked is decent quality. However, we can't say for sure if everything is as good as it could be without knowing pricing of those and of alternatives.


Thanks for the fast reply. The whole packet will cost around 990 US$ (porto included). I need a new one mainly for diablo3 and maybe sc2 - I hope to be able toplay both games on max settings with this setup. (my old one only runs shit like diablo1, sc1 ... ^^)


(we/us/he) wants to know how much each product is priced so you know you're not overpaying for certain product.

for example $65 for 2x4gb ram. (no good)


Ok, I see (I buy it at a German shop, maybe hardware is much cheaper in the US).Do you think it would make any difference in regards to the price to buy it by the end of April? I don't need it right now, but I don't know of any major product releases or that sort.

CPU: Intel Core 2500k
$235
Motherboard: ASRock z68 Pro3 Gen3 Intel Z68 So.1155 Dual Channel DDR3 ATX Retail
$102
Hard disc: Seagate Barracuda 7200 1TB
$110
Case: Lancool PC-K58 Midi Tower
$79
Power Supply: 520 Antec High Gamer ATX2.3
$76
RAM: TeamGroup 8GB Elite DDR3-1333 CL9 Dual Kit
$39
Graphic card: 1024MB Gigabyte Geforce GTX 560 Ti OC Aktiv PCIe 2.0x16 (Retail)
$248
Hard drive: LG GH 24NS70 24x SA bk Bulk
$21
Cooler: Scythe Mugen 2 REV B AMD & Intel
$43
It does not need to be fun to be fun.
tenacity
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
1587 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-23 17:49:07
March 23 2012 17:48 GMT
#19837
arg, double post - please delete
It does not need to be fun to be fun.
Shadowfax
Profile Joined March 2012
Denmark44 Posts
March 23 2012 18:07 GMT
#19838
Hello
I am almost done with my build and would like to get some final feedback on my build. Is there any compatibility issues, big bottlenecks or something i have forgot to think about (cables or what have you). If there is any thing please please let me know asap!

I am looking to order today or tomorrow!

Thanks everything is greatly appriciated

Here is my build:

OS
Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64bit (Full) System Builder DVD 1 Pack - Microsoft Software; DVD-ROM
$99.99

MOBO
ASRock Z68 EXTREME3 GEN3 LGA1155/ Intel Z68/ DDR3/ Quad CrossFireX & Quad SLI/SATA3&USB3.0/ A&GbE/
$157.60

Graphics
Sapphire Radeon HD 7850 2 GB DDR5 HDMI/DVI-I/Dual Mini DP PCI-Express Graphics Card 11200-00-20G - SAPPHIRE
$319.99

CPU
Intel Core i7-2600K Processor

CPU cooler
Thermalright HR-02 Macho - ThermalRight
$39.95

RAM
4x4gb Corsair Vengeance Red PC3-15000 1866mHz 240-pin Dual Channel DDR3
$67.99

HDD
Seagate ST2000DM001 Barracuda 7200RPM 2 TB SATA 6 GB/s NCQ 64 MB Cache
$119.99

SSD
Crucial 128 GB m4 2.5-Inch Solid State Drive SATA 6Gb/s CT128M4SSD2 - Crucial Technology
$159.99

DVD drive
Asus 24xDVD±RW Serial ATA Internal OEM Drive DRW-24B1ST (Black) - Asus
$22.82

PSU
Antec High Current Gamer HCG-750, 80 PLUS BRONZE, 750 Watt Power Supply - Antec
$94.99

CASE
Cooler Master HAF ATX Mid Tower Case, RC-922M-KKN1-GP (Black) - Cooler Master USA, Inc.
$83.98

Total price = 1550 usd = 8682 dkk = 1167 eur

Here is what i am looking for:
+ Show Spoiler +


What is your budget?
2000 usd max, though i like my current price range.

What is your resolution?
I will be using 2 monitors, the primary is 1920x1080.

What are you using it for?
I will be using it mainly for StarCraft 2 and hd (1080p) streaming with web cam and mic. I am looking for a pc that can handle even tough (like team games) situations with the graphics maxed.

What is your upgrade cycle?
I have a relatively slow upgrade cycle, not quite sure as of right now but i would like to keep it running a couple of years and with upgrades along the way (Ram, SLI, OC)

When do you plan on building it?
I plan on ordering and building it in April

Do you plan on overclocking?
Yes, but not that much (have never done it before, advice needed)

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No but I will upgrade when needed (is this possible and practical with this build?)

Where are you buying your parts from?
Hardwareversand.de , If any one has better sites that ship to Denmark please let me know. This site seems cheap and has decent reviews
Follow me on Twitter @ShadowfaxSC. I have some cool stuff in the pipe works and be one of the first to find out!
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
March 23 2012 18:23 GMT
#19839
Just for reference I think it's more useful to post the prices in the actual currency and not convert to USD (though thanks for trying), since some posters are familiar with the actual pricing and the USD cost brings to mind irrelevant comparisons to US/Canadian prices.

@tenacity:

By the end of April, you could have Ivy Bridge and a 7-series motherboard instead for pretty much the same cost. This would give you slightly more CPU performance and native USB3, both of which are probably not that important. Also GPU costs could come down a little bit.

It looks like the High Current Gamer 520W is priced a little bit high. There may be alternatives like XFX Core Edition or Super Flower Amazon 450W for cheaper (or some from Be Quiet! and some others) or the significantly superior Super Flower Golden Green 400W or 450W for not much more. Lian-Li Lancool K58 is a little bit priced high. If you don't particularly like the K58, something like BitFenix Shinobi may be similar quality for a little less. But nothing really sticks out.

@Shadowfax:

Again I don't see the point of building with a Crossfire upgrade path, considering the games you're looking at and a slow upgrade cycle. By the time you want to upgrade graphics, HD 7850 is going to be trash compared to what's currently available. And you certainly don't even need an HD 7850 now for SC2 on 1920x1080. I'm not sure what the 16GB of RAM is for either.
PeZuY
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
935 Posts
March 23 2012 18:28 GMT
#19840
Hello!

I am planning to upgrade AMD 6870 to 500+-e prize range graphic card so I guess the best solution will be GTX 680. Problem to me is always which version should I choose and since it's pretty new release should I wait for other versions to pop out or just go buy one now? Also since the current memory in the 680 is 2gb, will there be 3gb/4gb versions and if there will be how much +cost will they add? I am sorry if my most questions are ones that doesn't have answers, but if you do know I'd be glad to know. Thank you!
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