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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
November 16 2011 16:36 GMT
#14701
On November 17 2011 01:34 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 01:32 Medrea wrote:
Gonna get a CPU cooler. (i5-2500k)

We still recommending the Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus?

I do not give a shit about fan noise. I care about money, and I only want to overclock to the point where I can make use of the unlocked aspect of the CPU, I don't wish to make a longevity versus performance tradeoff.

Am I making a good assumption here? Any good deals?

location?


Connecticut.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-16 16:42:25
November 16 2011 16:40 GMT
#14702
Well, in the NA Hyper 212+ is probably still best value for money, Xigmatek Gaia is the heatsink to get if it's cheaper, and Xigmatek Loki should be considered as well as it's cheaper than both and will be fine if you're only planning to overclock to a 2500k to like 4.2Ghz.

In Europe both True Spirit and Freezer 13 Pro beat Hyper 212+ in cost-efficiency.

Currently Loki is 5$ after MIR:
www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233081

Gaia is 10$ after MIR:
www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233082
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Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-16 16:45:38
November 16 2011 16:45 GMT
#14703
Hmmm. I should also bear to mention that one core is always being pressured (100 percent active) 24/7. It is sort of irritating. I think I will get 212+ though I recognize that a 30 dollar fan going for 10 after rebate is kind of funny.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
November 16 2011 16:47 GMT
#14704
Well they're just about equal in performance so you'll be fine with that. I guess if you don't intend to do rebates Hyper 212+ would be cheaper but even so those deals are pretty nice.
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Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
November 16 2011 16:51 GMT
#14705
Hmmm. Maybe get the Gaia and then use the surplus budget to buy more case fans /ponder. I am in need of a couple more.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
November 16 2011 16:52 GMT
#14706
www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181011

I guess I'll also mention this deal as it still is pretty nice for that kind of a heatsink.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-16 17:01:17
November 16 2011 16:56 GMT
#14707
Well the 212+ has more CFM than that one. And more than the Gaia as well now that I look at it.

Unless I dont care about such a thing.

Also case fans for an Antec 300 would be a neat suggestion. Wouldnt mind keeping the free shipping train rolling.

EDIT: After research looks like I have 3 120mm fan spots left and 1 140mm.

Also I noticed this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233029
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-16 17:03:14
November 16 2011 17:01 GMT
#14708
CFM doesn't really matter as I guess you're running them on stock fans anyway.

Hyper 212 EVO reviews are so weird -.- This one review has it outperforming a NH-D14 and A70 and Thermaltake Frio and Thermalright Venomous-X? That makes no sense -.-

Dark Knight should be a notch better than Hyper 212 or Gaia but I've read conflicting reviews of it, in some it loses to even Gaia and it others it does incredibly well.



Also for case fans, if you don't give a shit about the noise you should get Deltas! =)
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-16 17:09:39
November 16 2011 17:02 GMT
#14709
Yeah its hard getting any numerical evidence honestly. Air cooling is more an art than a science at this point in time.

EDIT: I like the secondary spinup in that video.
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Wabbit
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1028 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-16 17:30:02
November 16 2011 17:16 GMT
#14710
On November 17 2011 02:01 Shikyo wrote:
CFM doesn't really matter as I guess you're running them on stock fans anyway.

Hyper 212 EVO reviews are so weird -.- This one review has it outperforming a NH-D14 and A70 and Thermaltake Frio and Thermalright Venomous-X? That makes no sense -.-

Dark Knight should be a notch better than Hyper 212 or Gaia but I've read conflicting reviews of it, in some it loses to even Gaia and it others it does incredibly well.

Also for case fans, if you don't give a shit about the noise you should get Deltas! =)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSUyY6JFhQc


Yeah it's really bad, the numbers are so wacky - and all of them from sites I consider trustworthy such as Hardwaresecrets (the source you're quoting of 212 evo > D14 I think).

I have a Gaia and the thing I like the most about it is the low noise (lower than 212+). Low price + reasonable cooling + low noise = win for me. But since noise is not a concern,

From what I can recall in the back of my head from various reading over time, Gaia ~ 212+ < 212 Evo < Dark Knight < EVGA Superclock (this one looks good) and other ~$50 coolers e.g. Frio < D14 ~ Megahalems ~ Silver Arrow
(edited for accuracy)

Though for cooling value for $, the 212 Evo is probably (one of) the best. You get like ~80% of the performance of the silver arrow for ~40% of the price.

EDIT: Some coolers perform significantly better with custom fans though, the D14 for example can go down like 5* IIRC but who is willing to spend another ~$40+ on quality high airflow/static pressure fans? Might as well just get a 212 evo and forgedabboutit if you're not an OC enthusiast.
The answers to most of your Tech Support questions are in the OP. That's why you're not getting a reply. It's been answered before. Read the OP.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-16 17:21:19
November 16 2011 17:20 GMT
#14711
What about the fact that I can get a Dark Knight for a lower price than the 212+?

After rebate of course.
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Wabbit
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1028 Posts
November 16 2011 17:26 GMT
#14712
On November 17 2011 02:20 Medrea wrote:
What about the fact that I can get a Dark Knight for a lower price than the 212+?

After rebate of course.


From all the reviews I can recall and can find right now, it's better than the 212+. If you trust the rebate will come, I'd go for it.
The answers to most of your Tech Support questions are in the OP. That's why you're not getting a reply. It's been answered before. Read the OP.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
November 16 2011 17:33 GMT
#14713
My RAM has heat spreaders, is this an issue with either one?
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
November 16 2011 17:36 GMT
#14714
No.
Wabbit
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1028 Posts
November 16 2011 17:36 GMT
#14715
On November 17 2011 02:33 Medrea wrote:
My RAM has heat spreaders, is this an issue with either one?


You'll have to do some measurements, how tall are your heatspreaders? What's the cooler's clearance? etc. For my Gaia installation on an MSI mobo with Ripjaws, I was BARELY able to do it. They essentially touch, like 1mm of space between fan and heatspreaders.
The answers to most of your Tech Support questions are in the OP. That's why you're not getting a reply. It's been answered before. Read the OP.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
November 16 2011 17:37 GMT
#14716
I think I am gonna stick with the 212+ in the end. Too many people complaining about Xigmateks rebates.

And if they stick you on the rebate I can only imagine what else they are trying to get away with.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-16 17:40:25
November 16 2011 17:39 GMT
#14717
How does Dark Knight compare to the A70 as they're around same price? IIRC A70 is slightly better but louder but can't really remember, any idea?


EDIT:

If you're going for the Hyper 212+, now you're going to need to start considering Hyper 212 EVO =P
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
November 16 2011 17:42 GMT
#14718
On November 17 2011 02:39 Shikyo wrote:
How does Dark Knight compare to the A70 as they're around same price? IIRC A70 is slightly better but louder but can't really remember, any idea?


EDIT:

If you're going for the Hyper 212+, now you're going to need to start considering Hyper 212 EVO =P


If it is basically the same performance/price but higher up on the trend line then I will stick with the cheaper one. I only want a cooler for longevity and moderate overclocking.
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Wabbit
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1028 Posts
November 16 2011 17:46 GMT
#14719
On November 17 2011 02:42 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 02:39 Shikyo wrote:
How does Dark Knight compare to the A70 as they're around same price? IIRC A70 is slightly better but louder but can't really remember, any idea?


EDIT:

If you're going for the Hyper 212+, now you're going to need to start considering Hyper 212 EVO =P


If it is basically the same performance/price but higher up on the trend line then I will stick with the cheaper one. I only want a cooler for longevity and moderate overclocking.


Then it really sounds like you should go for the cheapest option. The differences between coolers that are like more expensive in ~$10 increments are a few degrees C and shouldn't matter to anyone who's doing "moderate" OC (I think of moderate as at most 1.35VCore on Sandy Bridge or equivalent for other platforms)
The answers to most of your Tech Support questions are in the OP. That's why you're not getting a reply. It's been answered before. Read the OP.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
November 16 2011 17:52 GMT
#14720
Hyper 212+ is more for enough for moderate overclocking, yeah. There's better options for noise but Hyper 212+ isn't exactly noisy anyway.

For case fans by the way my serious suggestion would probably be Scythe Gentle Typhoons or Slipstreams depending on what you want.


Also, newegg review on Bulldozer 4100:
Pros: 10% increase in PCMark test score over my Athlon II 630 with no overclocking. Greater overclocking range if you are so inclined. I researched opinions before buying and bought it still, it is a definite improvement for what I do.

Cons: Neweggs pricing is a little high.

Other Thoughts: Gigabyte GA-970A-ud3
4 gig DDR3 Wintec 1866 mem at 1333mhz
XFX RADEON HD 5770

This is faster than the Athlon II I replaced it with. My system booted right up with no problems. Have played Heroes VI and Starcraft II. I have seen a significant improvement in both games so far with no problems at all. I also have seen a significant increase in boot time since going to the Gigabyte board. This is a very good buy at this price. It will hold me over until something better comes along for this AM3+ board.

I upgrade a lot so I always have an older processor around if there is a need for a BIOS update first. Still, a BIOS update problem is with the board manufacturer and not the processor. I would think a bad review would be more appropriate for the board with this problem.


And 5 Eggs o.O And the CPU averages 5 Eggs o.O By the way, there's a -15$ promo code on it now so it's a good time to buy a Bulldozer 4core if you want.
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