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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 22 2011 14:23 GMT
#13521
Some non reference cards are still capable of unlocking. I did say that all xfx cards are hardware level locked.
BuZZ123
Profile Joined July 2010
United States262 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 15:28:26
October 22 2011 15:26 GMT
#13522
Computer for Diablo 3, Guild Wars 2, Arkham City, Modern Warfare 3, and Battlefield 3


Overview: I am being allowed to upgrade my gaming computer for Christmas. I have an allowance for 500 dollars for hardware, and am looking to be able to max out Diablo 3, Guild Wars 2, Arkham City, Modern Warfare 3, and Battlefield 3 on 1440x900 resolution. All my system clocks are stock. I currently am running a system with an AMD athlon x2 560, a radeon HD 5770, a 5400 rpm 240 GB hard drive, and 4 GB of DDR3 1333 memory.

The Question: With 500 dollars to spend, is it possible to appropriately upgrade this system in order to accomplish said task? I understand it may not be possible to max out Battlefield 3 and Modern Warfare 3, but maybe the others? Which components should I change and change it out for what? I am also looking to have an expandable computer for later so that I may upgrade with the newer components in the future without having to scrap the whole system. Another plus would be more hard drive space as I am currently running out, if this makes the task impossible though, I can make do without. (:

Thanks TL, and Good Luck!!!

BuZZ
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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 15:42:04
October 22 2011 15:38 GMT
#13523
I'm assuming that you're not purchasing now, but rather closer to Christmas? So no need to link weekly deals that are going to expire soon.

What's the power supply and case? Likely you can reuse those things, as well as the optical drive, hard drive, and RAM. You may need to replace the power supply, depending on the model.

Approximate cost is maybe $180 for Core i5-2xxx, $60 for H61 motherboard, $170 for HD 6870, $60 for 1TB hard drive (less for less capacity).

edit: btw new generation of graphics cards may be out by December, though allegedly only the lower-end models slower than your HD 5770. Higher-end models should follow. Also, new Intel processors should come a few months into 2012, so maybe this is not such great timing to upgrade (but difference between Athlon II X2 and current Sandy Bridge quad core is much larger than Sandy Bridge quad core to Ivy Bridge quad core).
BuZZ123
Profile Joined July 2010
United States262 Posts
October 22 2011 15:41 GMT
#13524
On October 23 2011 00:38 Myrmidon wrote:
I'm assuming that you're not purchasing now, but rather closer to Christmas? So no need to link weekly deals that are going to expire soon.

What's the power supply and case? Likely you can reuse those things, as well as the optical drive, hard drive, and RAM. You may need to replace the power supply, depending on the model.

Approximate cost is maybe $180 for Core i5-2xxx, $60 for H61 motherboard, $170 for HD 6870, $60 for 1TB hard drive (less for less capacity).

I currently have an nzxt lexa blackline special edition. No need for more. My optical drive is currently dying but I never use it so it is not a problem. Just got to install the games and ditch it :p. My psu is currently enough to run any single gpu setup.
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Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 16:03:02
October 22 2011 15:57 GMT
#13525
edit : nvm, didnt see last post
"What if it's a triple DK ?" "Then we cry" "Prepare your handkerchief then ..."
BuZZ123
Profile Joined July 2010
United States262 Posts
October 22 2011 16:02 GMT
#13526
So it is decision time. Two options have been chosen.

The Hard Drive System:

* Western Digital Caviar Blue 500 GB Hard Drive http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136769

* Saphire Radeon HD 6870 1 GB GDDR5 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102948

* Jetway H61 Socket 1155 Mobo http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813153205

* Intel Core i5 2400 Sandy Bridge http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115074

Upgrade Cost: 499.96

The Motherboard System:

* Intel Core i5 2400 Sandy Bridge http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115074

* Saphire Radeon HD 6870 1 GB GDDR5 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102948

* ASUS P8P67 Socket 1155 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131706

Upgrade Cost: 499.97

We do have a 1 terabyte external drive that the family shares that I could put my media on. So which system would be optimal for my requirements?
Here comes the swarm...
BuZZ123
Profile Joined July 2010
United States262 Posts
October 22 2011 16:03 GMT
#13527
On October 23 2011 00:57 Rachnar wrote:
Wouldn't it be worth it to get a CX mobo instead of an hd6870 an get another 6770?

I said I have a 5770, not a 6770.
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Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
October 22 2011 16:12 GMT
#13528
On October 23 2011 01:03 BuZZ123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 00:57 Rachnar wrote:
Wouldn't it be worth it to get a CX mobo instead of an hd6870 an get another 6770?

I said I have a 5770, not a 6770.


5770 = 6770
"What if it's a triple DK ?" "Then we cry" "Prepare your handkerchief then ..."
BuZZ123
Profile Joined July 2010
United States262 Posts
October 22 2011 16:13 GMT
#13529
On October 23 2011 01:12 Rachnar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 01:03 BuZZ123 wrote:
On October 23 2011 00:57 Rachnar wrote:
Wouldn't it be worth it to get a CX mobo instead of an hd6870 an get another 6770?

I said I have a 5770, not a 6770.


5770 = 6770

Could you crossfire a 5770 with a 6770? Even if they are different brands? Or would it be more worth it for me to just pick up another 5770?
Here comes the swarm...
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
October 22 2011 16:19 GMT
#13530
Well you said your PSU is enoguh for only a single gpu setup

so a 6870 would be better

usually CX6770=6950 (most of the time, it scales badly with newly released games since drivers arent out for those yet, etc ...)
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BuZZ123
Profile Joined July 2010
United States262 Posts
October 22 2011 16:20 GMT
#13531
On October 23 2011 01:19 Rachnar wrote:
Well you said your PSU is enoguh for only a single gpu setup

so a 6870 would be better

usually CX6770=6950 (most of the time, it scales badly with newly released games since drivers arent out for those yet, etc ...)

It is 650 watt. Is that enough for crossfire 5770s?
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Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 16:22:22
October 22 2011 16:21 GMT
#13532
On October 23 2011 01:13 BuZZ123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 01:12 Rachnar wrote:
On October 23 2011 01:03 BuZZ123 wrote:
On October 23 2011 00:57 Rachnar wrote:
Wouldn't it be worth it to get a CX mobo instead of an hd6870 an get another 6770?

I said I have a 5770, not a 6770.


5770 = 6770

Could you crossfire a 5770 with a 6770? Even if they are different brands? Or would it be more worth it for me to just pick up another 5770?


Yes you can. There is a crossfire chart available out there.


On October 23 2011 01:20 BuZZ123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 01:19 Rachnar wrote:
Well you said your PSU is enoguh for only a single gpu setup

so a 6870 would be better

usually CX6770=6950 (most of the time, it scales badly with newly released games since drivers arent out for those yet, etc ...)

It is 650 watt. Is that enough for crossfire 5770s?


Very plenty.
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BuZZ123
Profile Joined July 2010
United States262 Posts
October 22 2011 16:23 GMT
#13533
Ok. Thanks yall!
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ThatGuy89
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1968 Posts
October 22 2011 17:27 GMT
#13534
ok, im getting alot of my parts for christmas
so i need to get the parts right now:

Graphics
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0047D5S26/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&m=A17AS5ETPMZ9A1

PSU
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B005851NVM/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?ie=UTF8&m=A17AS5ETPMZ9A1

Mobo
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B005851NVM/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?ie=UTF8&m=A17AS5ETPMZ9A1

cpu
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B004FA8NR8/ref=ox_sc_act_title_6?ie=UTF8&m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE

hard drive
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002MQC0P8/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1

case
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B005865IE4/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&m=A1HVS4RF533X76

already have optical drive, monitor and OS. Look alright?
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
October 22 2011 17:46 GMT
#13535
On October 23 2011 02:27 ThatGuy89 wrote:
already have optical drive, monitor and OS. Look alright?

I didn't crosscheck prices (none looked out of place, but some did not look like very good deals I think), but yes overall that looks fine.

You also have DDR3 RAM?
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 17:49:58
October 22 2011 17:49 GMT
#13536
6850 is extremely overpriced,
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sapphire-11180-00-20R-HD6850-GDDR5-Graphics/dp/B0048027IQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1319305535&sr=1-1

Like I really wonder what makes the difference be 20£

Generally 2400 is regarded as better value because of significant clock increase for little money:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-Sandybridge-i5-2400-Quad-Core-Processor/dp/B004FA8NS2/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1319305588&sr=1-1

That hard drive is overpriced as well.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Western-Digital-Caviar-SATAIII-Internal/dp/B00461LT6S/ref=sr_1_8?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1319305662&sr=1-8

This is alot more reasonable.

The case's good but still overpriced.


Honestly you'd save a fortune or two by ordering from hardwareversand instead.

Btw you accidentally linked the PSU twice so I couldn't review the mobo.
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ThatGuy89
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1968 Posts
October 22 2011 18:19 GMT
#13537
ooops stupid keys on the laptop dont work sometimes

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B004Q5W7EM/ref=ox_sc_act_title_5?ie=UTF8&m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE

thats the mobo.
I didnt realise the hard drive was that expensive. Ive had them added to my basket for a while, just so i have a list of what im getting. When i added that hard drive it was only £42 but that seller ran out. Ill buy the same one i linked, but ill find a cheaper seller or get it off hardwareversand like you said

what do you mean the 6850 is overpriced? £20 difference from what?
the one you linked is the same as mine isnt it? but the same problem as the hard drive, the seller just increased their price.

And i only picked the 2300 cos i wanted the cheapest build i could. But ive got a little bit more now, and the extra £9 is definitely wortth it

i get free next day delivery on amazon, and due to it being close to christmas, and i want it by christmas at the latest, i was just gonna use that, hardwareversand doesnt really seem to be cheaper
Madoga
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands471 Posts
October 22 2011 19:42 GMT
#13538
Yea, hdd prices are going up due to the floodings in Thailand.
lengeta
Profile Joined August 2011
United States11 Posts
October 22 2011 20:01 GMT
#13539
On October 22 2011 09:05 skyR wrote:
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If you're not overclocking than going for a non-K suffix processor is going to save you money obviously without sacrificing a noticeable amount of performance. If you are encoding seriously than it may be worth it to look into a core i7 2600k and if you are encoding seriously, it is definitely recommended to overclock. And unless you're a complete idiot or overclocking with liquid nitrogen / some other extreme means, you can not drastically reduce the lifespan of the processor by overclocking it.

1600MHz provides little benefits over 1333MHz... it's best to just get a $40 1333MHz kit unless you want to have resale value or just want aesthetics.

Lol you do not need a Caviar Black for storage... if you can't fit everything on the SSD and need a 7200 RPM HDD than get a Samsung Spinpoint F3 or Caviar Blue.

If you have no intention of doing a multi-GPU configuration than the Extreme4 is essentially a waste of money and a 750w power supply is also a waste of money.

You should probably be looking into the Asrock P67 Pro3 which is basically the same thing except a different colour scheme, different connectivity setup, and a little less connectivity.

For a single GPU configuration, all you need is a ~500w power supply... not even. Good ones would include but not limited to XFX Core Edition, Antec Neo Eco, Antec High Current Gamer, Seasonic S12II, Antec Earthwatts - whichever is less expensive.

For graphics card, I assume you're gaming on one monitor and don't mean Eyefinity with two monitors (because this is stupid and you shouldn't do this). Look into getting a Radeon HD6870, Radeon HD6950 1GB, or GTX 560 Ti.

And us.ncix.com usually has better pricing than Newegg on most components such as the harddrive, power supply, memory, and processor.

The 2500k is $190: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=57962&promoid=1208

XFX Core Edition 450 (which is enough) is $50: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=63238&promoid=1208


Thanks skyR, I'll take your recommendations and come up with another build.

Anyone recommend a good first-timer over-clock guide? I can search and find one fine, but I've never done this before and a lot of people write less than stellar guides.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
October 22 2011 20:30 GMT
#13540
http://www.clunk.org.uk/forums/overclocking/39184-p67-sandy-bridge-overclocking-guide-beginners.html

Should be reasonably detailed
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