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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
On October 21 2011 06:58 FragKrag wrote: New thread likely gonna come after LGA 2011 comes out since Bulldozer launch didn't change the market at all. lol Bulldozer. I was considering switching to an AMD based system when they announced it too. How does one mess something up so bad? :p | ||
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aBstractx
United States287 Posts
 What is your budget? I'm setting myself a budget of about $600. Of course I'd love to stay away from that if I can. What is your resolution? I currently game on 1024x768 What are you using it for? 90% of the time I'm going to be using the computer for SC2 gaming and streaming. I'd like to be able to stream in HD 1080p. I currently play on low settings because I like the feel better than medium(my max) but I wouldn't mind being able to run on high settings for my stream. What is your upgrade cycle? I guess I have a longer upgrade cycle. This is looking to be my permanent system for many years to come. I don't play any games other than SC2 on the PC and that's all i'm interested in. When do you plan on building it? Well I don't need it by a particular time, but I guess I would start working on buying and building everything as soon as I had a working build in order. Do you plan on overclocking? I'm not experienced with overclocking so unless it's recommended by any of you guys I really don't have a need for it. Do you need an Operating System? Yes I need an OS unfortunately. Any way getting around paying $100 for the basic Windows 7? .. yeah it's probably against the rules for anyone to answer that lol. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? Hrm.. I'm not sure about this question. Just looking to play/stream SC2 optimally. sorry if this sounds repetitive :-/ Where are you buying your parts from? I live in the states and I do have a microcenter available to me. Newegg + Microcenter are both good for me. | ||
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Clockworkkkk
21 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On October 21 2011 09:22 aBstractx wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Before I start i'm not that tech savvy. I've never built a pc before and this will be my first attempt so details details details, please!! What is your budget? I'm setting myself a budget of about $600. Of course I'd love to stay away from that if I can. What is your resolution? I currently game on 1024x768 What are you using it for? 90% of the time I'm going to be using the computer for SC2 gaming and streaming. I'd like to be able to stream in HD 1080p. I currently play on low settings because I like the feel better than medium(my max) but I wouldn't mind being able to run on high settings for my stream. What is your upgrade cycle? I guess I have a longer upgrade cycle. This is looking to be my permanent system for many years to come. I don't play any games other than SC2 on the PC and that's all i'm interested in. When do you plan on building it? Well I don't need it by a particular time, but I guess I would start working on buying and building everything as soon as I had a working build in order. Do you plan on overclocking? I'm not experienced with overclocking so unless it's recommended by any of you guys I really don't have a need for it. Do you need an Operating System? Yes I need an OS unfortunately. Any way getting around paying $100 for the basic Windows 7? .. yeah it's probably against the rules for anyone to answer that lol. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? Hrm.. I'm not sure about this question. Just looking to play/stream SC2 optimally. sorry if this sounds repetitive :-/ Where are you buying your parts from? I live in the states and I do have a microcenter available to me. Newegg + Microcenter are both good for me. Here's a configuration for $560 before mail in rebates, alternatives are listed in spoilers. Keep in mind NCIX sales ends on Wednesday. Intel Core i5 2500k @ $190 http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=57962&promoid=1208 + Show Spoiler + or you can buy it from Microcenter for $180 + tax: http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0354589 You can also opt for the core i5 2400 from Microcenter at $150 as well if you don't plan on overclocking: http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0354590 Though 1080p streaming won't be pretty if you go this route Gigabyte Z68P-DS3 @ $90 http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=62697&promoid=1208 + Show Spoiler + If you're getting the core i5 2400 instead than switch to the Asrock H61M-VS for $54: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157241 Team Elite 2x4GB 1333MHz @ $35 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313123 XFX Core Edition Pro 450 @ $50 ($30 after mail in rebate) http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=63238&promoid=1208 Seagate Barracuda 500GB @ $38 http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=63468&promoid=1208 + Show Spoiler + You can opt for a 1TB HDD if you need more space. Keep in mind, the flooding in Thailand has limited supply so HDD pricing will be somewhat higher and availability might be limited. XFX Radeon HD6770 @ $110 ($90 after mail in rebate) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150540 + Show Spoiler + This is capable of playing the game on ultra at 1080p so ya this is overkill of a graphics card if you don't plan on upgrading your monitor anytime soon. Xigmatek Asgard II @ $30 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811815004 + Show Spoiler + You can select a better case to your liking if you don't like this one DVD Burner @ $17 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151233 | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
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Clockworkkkk
21 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On October 21 2011 09:52 Clockworkkkk wrote: so would you suggest streaming at 720p at 60 fps then? Well the input needs to be something the BMI can capture, like 720p @ 60 fps as you mention. For the stream you output, 30 fps (if not a bit lower) probably makes more sense. The vast majority of video content on the web (streams, YouTube, etc.) is not 60 fps out of concern of the data rate. Given a fixed data rate, it usually makes more sense to lower the fps to 30 so the image quality can be higher. There's a tradeoff. | ||
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Clockworkkkk
21 Posts
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Irby
United States55 Posts
On October 19 2011 19:50 Shikyo wrote: If you're planning on playing with the 1080p monitor for a long time, crossfired 6870s would probably be the most cost-effective, but alternatively you can go for a cheaper mobo and a GTX 580 for quite maximal performance, as well. Will I have problems running new games on high settings with a 1080p monitor with a GTX 570? I noticed to go up to a 580 or crossfired 6870s will cost more than double if I just got a 570. I'm having trouble fitting this into my budget. But I don't want to invest in a 570 if I'm not going to get the desired results. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On October 21 2011 09:03 Torenhire wrote: lol Bulldozer. I was considering switching to an AMD based system when they announced it too. How does one mess something up so bad? :p Also i would like to add that I imagine that we won't even need a new thread until the new consoles ship to consumers. As far as gaming is concerned the industry is moving at a snails pace so the current thread's architecture will always be relevant until then. | ||
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aBstractx
United States287 Posts
On October 21 2011 09:35 skyR wrote: Here's a configuration for $560 before mail in rebates, alternatives are listed in spoilers. Keep in mind NCIX sales ends on Wednesday. Intel Core i5 2500k @ $190 http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=57962&promoid=1208 + Show Spoiler + or you can buy it from Microcenter for $180 + tax: http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0354589 You can also opt for the core i5 2400 from Microcenter at $150 as well if you don't plan on overclocking: http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0354590 Though 1080p streaming won't be pretty if you go this route Gigabyte Z68P-DS3 @ $90 http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=62697&promoid=1208 + Show Spoiler + If you're getting the core i5 2400 instead than switch to the Asrock H61M-VS for $54: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157241 Team Elite 2x4GB 1333MHz @ $35 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313123 XFX Core Edition Pro 450 @ $50 ($30 after mail in rebate) http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=63238&promoid=1208 Seagate Barracuda 500GB @ $38 http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=63468&promoid=1208 + Show Spoiler + You can opt for a 1TB HDD if you need more space. Keep in mind, the flooding in Thailand has limited supply so HDD pricing will be somewhat higher and availability might be limited. XFX Radeon HD6770 @ $110 ($90 after mail in rebate) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150540 + Show Spoiler + This is capable of playing the game on ultra at 1080p so ya this is overkill of a graphics card if you don't plan on upgrading your monitor anytime soon. Xigmatek Asgard II @ $30 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811815004 + Show Spoiler + You can select a better case to your liking if you don't like this one DVD Burner @ $17 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151233 excellent, i love you for this <3. and i love the price Question about the graphics card & the monitor i currently use. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824211001 thats the monitor i currently use. I also have a sony hdtv that isnt being used: http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/about/462999045/sony-kdl-23s2010 which monitor should i use? Also maybe if the graphics is such an overkill i wouldn't mind lowering it. any other cheaper cards in mind? Honestly when i play ladder myself i'm probably going to play on low settings with certain medium settings turned up because that's how i like it so far. haven't got to play on high settings yet so i cant knock it but yeah. also im going to give you a list of my current computers specs and maybe you can tell me if i can use any parts of my current computer? or if i should just try to sell it as is so i can put the cash towards these parts. + Show Spoiler + Specs: Operating System MS Windows Vista Home Premium 32-bit SP2 CPU Intel Core 2 Duo E7500 @ 2.93GHz 42 °C Wolfdale 45nm Technology RAM 4.00 GB Dual-Channel DDR2 @ 332MHz (5-5-5-15) Motherboard Dell Inc. 0RY007 (Socket 775) 40 °C Graphics DCL9B (1024x768@60Hz) ATI Radeon HD 4600 Series (Sapphire/PCPartner) 90 °C Hard Drives 244GB Seagate ST3250820AS ATA Device (SATA) 47 °C Optical Drives HL-DT-ST DVD+-RW GSA-H73N ATA Device Audio Realtek High Definition Audio | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
You can re-use your graphics card if you want though you'll need to clean it with compressed air first to clear out all the dust since 90c is absurdly high. But I would seriously buy a new monitor. You'll thank yourself you did, trust me. Not only you are going to have a higher resolution which will result in better productivity and you'll be playing at a native resolution which will result in a better image. But if you really insist on playing the game on low at a non-native resolution on an ancient monitor than you can get a GT 240 instead for $55 ($25 after mail in rebate): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150553 Keep in mind this card will perform similar to the current card you have so you should be re-using that if it isn't dead. | ||
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aBstractx
United States287 Posts
On October 21 2011 11:11 skyR wrote: You can re-use the optical drive assuming it's SATA (cable) and not IDE (ribbon). You can also re-use the harddrive as your main HDD (so you wouldn't purchase a new one) or you can use it as a secondary drive for storage or backup. You can re-use your graphics card if you want though you'll need to clean it with compressed air first to clear out all the dust since 90c is absurdly high. But I would seriously buy a new monitor. You'll thank yourself you did, trust me. Not only you are going to play at a higher resolution which will result in better productivity and you'll be playing at a native resolution which will result in a better image. But if you really insist on playing the game on low at a non-native resolution on an ancient monitor than you can get a GT 240 instead for $55 ($25 after mail in rebate): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150553 Keep in mind this card will perform similar to the current card you have so you should be re-using that if it isn't dead. say i eventually wanted to start playing on high settings. the graphics card that i currently have is not powerful enough for that right? id have to get a better one? | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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aBstractx
United States287 Posts
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/toshiba-19av600u/4507-6482_7-33567164.html and http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&q=philips 22pfl3504d&gs_upl=0l0l3l1101l0l0l0l0l0l0l0l0ll0l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.,cf.osb&biw=1024&bih=677&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=6613175019068110934&sa=X&ei=cNegTtfDDej30gH3vtCZBQ&ved=0CFoQ8wIwAQ | ||
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ChoiBoi
United States130 Posts
Around $600 What is your resolution? Probably 1680x1050 What are you using it for? Gaming (not super-intensive) Streaming, etc. What is your upgrade cycle? Probably 3-4 years When do you plan on building it? Within the next week or so Do you plan on overclocking? Later, maybe 2 months or so later Do you need an Operating System? Nope Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? Later, after I OC it and once I get some more money Where are you buying your parts from? US NCIX Newegg Here is a list of some of the parts I've been looking at: i5-2500k [$189.99] http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=57962&vpn=BX80623I52500K&manufacture=Intel&promoid=1208 MSI P67 [$84.99 w/ Rebate] http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=59095&vpn=P67A-G43 (B3)&manufacture=MSI/MicroStar&promoid=1208 Corsair 600W + G.Skill 8GB (2x4GB) [$66.98 w/ Rebate + Code] http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.745076 Rosewill Challenger Case [$49.99] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147153 Seagate 500GB HDD [$37.99] http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=63468&vpn=ST500DM002&manufacture=Seagate&promoid=1208 ASUS 550Ti [$109.99 w/ Rebate] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121435 LG 22X CD/DVD Drive [$16.99] http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=60731&vpn=GH22NS70&manufacture=LG Electronics USA&promoid=1208 | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Go for a 300$ build with celeron g530, 6570, 4gb, 500gb hdd, 350-400w psu, asgard etc. That's going to be more than enough for that resolution for any game and you can stream that kind of resolution as well. streaming 720p with 4:3 resolution would be a disaster | ||
Womwomwom
5930 Posts
The GPU is more contentious but I can see the reasoning behind the HD6770...its only $50 more or $30 if you're willing to trust rebates. | ||
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Irby
United States55 Posts
On October 21 2011 10:14 skyR wrote: You'll be capable of playing on reasonably high settings. Maxed settings? Not likely. Bummer. Okay, let me simplify it and ask just this then: Starcraft II: ultra settings with 60 fps on 1080p. Attainable with a GTX 570? | ||
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