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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
mrloiter
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia18 Posts
September 22 2011 12:10 GMT
#11781
Yes I am.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-22 12:22:30
September 22 2011 12:14 GMT
#11782
I'll just say: review your previous questions and try and see why your current build is so stupid. There is no way your build isn't a troll. You posted this:

On July 18 2011 00:37 mrloiter wrote:
Hi, i was just looking to get some feedback on this build. I would be willing to spend more on better components and / or overclocking, but i am not convinced that it is worth it.

+ Show Spoiler +

Western Digital Green 2TB $85

LG GH22NS70 22x DVD-RW Drive OEM $35

NZXT Lexa S Mid Tower Case $89 (Getting this mainly based on aesthetics, if it is terrible let me know)

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit with SP1 OEM $105

Intel Core i5 2400 $185

Acer V223HQBD 21.5in Widescreen LCD Monitor $139

Kingston ValueRAM KVR1333D3N9K2/4G 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 $35

ASRock H61M/U3S3 Motherboard B3 $79

Gainward GeForce GTX 560 Ti 1GB $229

Antec Neo Eco 450C 450W Power Supply $59

TP-Link TL-WN951N Wireless N PCI Adapter $39




All up it is $1079, like i said if there is anything that is absolutely worth upgrading, let me know. But at this point i am satisfied with what i have. I should also note that i have 2 gb of spare ram so i will have 6gb in total.

All help appreciated immensely.

I'll also add that i am Australian, buying everything off Pccg. Which is why the prices are slightly higher than usual.


Then somehow decided to post a $10,000 build.
mrloiter
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia18 Posts
September 22 2011 12:15 GMT
#11783
... I just wanted some advice
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-22 12:21:23
September 22 2011 12:17 GMT
#11784
rofl, spend 10 times less and you will get equal performance (and even better sometimes) on like 99% of games

the i5-2*** is better for gaming then the i7-990x even if it costs like 5 times more

and if you have so much money to waste buy me a copy of it and give it to me <3

more seriously if you have a basicly unlimited budget, and play the most demanding games on high res, never will you need more then like a gtx580 or hd6970 (even these 2 are like overkill for 99.9% of games)

get an i5-2500k, a basic air cooler for it, p67 mobo, one of the gpu's i listed above, or hd6950/gtx560ti if you need such a good one
"What if it's a triple DK ?" "Then we cry" "Prepare your handkerchief then ..."
mrloiter
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia18 Posts
September 22 2011 12:24 GMT
#11785
I guess i'll cut down a bit. Get a smaller ssd?

User was temp banned for this post.
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
September 22 2011 12:37 GMT
#11786
kk definitly a troll, before i gave him the chance that he might just have been totally ignorant :/
"What if it's a triple DK ?" "Then we cry" "Prepare your handkerchief then ..."
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-22 13:08:16
September 22 2011 12:53 GMT
#11787
Here's why your build is stupid.

You're getting 3x 23" instead of 3x 30". Why you would do this when you have an unlimited budget is beyond comprehension.

You're getting a core i7 990x when the core i7 3960x is scheduled for a November release. Again, why you wouldn't wait for a much better processor is beyond comprehension.

You're getting HDDs when you can get SLC SSDs, shrug...

A razer leybpard and logitech sound system? Don't make me laugh.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
September 22 2011 12:56 GMT
#11788
If I had an unlimited budget, I wouldn't be buying a Lycosa keyboard with it. I'd get the Optimus Maximus. http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/

Anyways, troll elsewhere.
MaieVShadowsonG
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom43 Posts
September 22 2011 13:08 GMT
#11789
yes but i would like to buy a tv/monitor. my old screen is shit. thats why i wanna spend 500 euro for both monitor tv
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-22 13:36:27
September 22 2011 13:34 GMT
#11790
If you don't mind spending the whole 500 Euros and don't need an inbuilt TV tuner, you *could* look at Hazro - I know you max specified size is 26" but 27" isn't that much different haha. The Hazro HZ27WC is within your budget, taking VAT into account, while the Hazro HZ27WD is outside your budget. The difference between the Hazro HZ27WC and Hazro HZ27WD is that the WC only has a single DVI port while the WD has HDMI, DVI, composite, and a few other connections.

Both have the same 2560x1440 resolution IPS panel and since its practically the same panel as the Apple Cinema Displays, they're probably absolutely gorgeous to look at in person.

There are other IPS panels out there, like the Dell Ultrasharps, however I strongly advice looking at one in person before buying as the anti-glare can be disorientating for some people - the only real options I recommend are the U2311H or U2312HM. If you just want a decent economical 23"/24" monitor, any cheap monitor with HCDP (for the PS3) will do...something like the ASUS VS238H is good enough.
Wabbit
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1028 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-22 14:38:43
September 22 2011 14:23 GMT
#11791
On September 22 2011 11:41 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2011 10:37 shtdisturbance wrote:
Budget: 400$
Resolution: 1680x1050
Used for: Mostly surfing net, homework. I have this computer for gaming but need a backup family computer.
Cycle: 4 years usually.
Date: I plan to build within a week or 2.
Overclock: no
OS:no
Buying from Canada Computers.

I found out my computer is dieing completely and I need to build a new one.

I bought a new HDD for computer but it did not fix all the problems so I already have that. I want a second HDD for storage only. Should I get a green? Add that in the budget instead of the other HDD.

Thanks.
+ Show Spoiler +
Did you need a case? How about an optical drive?

mobo H61 mATK 60$:
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=569_26_722&item_id=038369

CPU Pentium G630 87.71$:
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=569_4_65&item_id=20039Q

4gb RAM 25$:
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=569_24_311_312_611&item_id=037781

HDD Seagate Barracude 500GB 39.99$:
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=569_15_210_212&item_id=037031

GPU GT 430 48$ after MIR:
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=569_43_557_559&item_id=034829

Case NZXT GAMMA 40$ after MIR:
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=569_6_112&item_id=026868

PSU Corsair CX430 40$ after MIR:
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=569_33_442&item_id=038031

That totals at around 330.65$ with MIR before optical drive. Without MIR it's around 390$. Should be fine for general surfing and most programs.



Do you HAVE to buy from CanadaComputers? You can save some money on Shikyo's build:
- get a G530 instead for $58 from NCIX, no difference in performance for non-gaming and non-professional work apps
- save $48 by not getting a discrete GPU - it's not necessary for your typical "family" PC. The integrated graphics on the CPU is more than sufficient
- edit: this ASRock mobo is also cheaper
The answers to most of your Tech Support questions are in the OP. That's why you're not getting a reply. It's been answered before. Read the OP.
Westerhound
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland69 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-22 14:47:43
September 22 2011 14:43 GMT
#11792
On September 22 2011 02:05 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2011 01:17 Westerhound wrote:
New computer needed.

What is your budget?
About 1000 euros. It's pretty flexible, but Id rather not go that much over it

What is your resolution?
Need a new monitor as well (hooray for using an iMac for 3 years, QQ), which will preferably be 1920x1080. If you've got good recommendations, please tell :I

What are you using it for?
Mostly gaming, with some photoshop mixed in. That isnt very important though, so Id rather not pay that much more for increased photoshopability.

What is your upgrade cycle?
About 2 years.

When do you plan on building it?
Next couple of weeks

Do you plan on overclocking?
Im not quite sure how all this overclocking business works. Id like to do it, but how much more will I have to pay in mobo, cooling and all that jazz if I decide to up the processor by a GHz or so?

Do you need an Operating System?
Ye, Win7

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
Nope

Where are you buying your parts from?
Only Finnish store that Ive found that can compete in prices is Jimms (searchfield is in the top left if you want to use that), and I can get my parts from there without paying shipping cause its fairly close. I am however open to ordering online as well, if it really gets cheaper that way.

Other stuff
I want to add a second monitor once I get a bit more monies, but this shouldnt affect the build that much as far as I know? Im a bit of a questionmark when it comes to the OCing as well, unfortunately

Here's a nice 835€ prebuilt computer that I'm going to try to beat in cost-efficiency using jimms and then hardwareversand:
http://www.silentrig.com/product/1028/high-power-budjet

Here's a similiar computer in parts from Jimms:
+ Show Spoiler +
Tuotekoodi Valmistaja Hinta Kpl Yhteensä
Avaa tuotteen kuvauksen uuteen ikkunaan P67-PRO3-B3 AsRock 115.00€ 115.00€ X

P67 Pro3 B3, LGA1155, Intel P67, DDR3, ATX
Avaa tuotteen kuvauksen uuteen ikkunaan BX80623I52500K Intel 195.00€ 195.00€ X

Core i5 2500K, LGA1155, 3.3 GHz, 6MB
Avaa tuotteen kuvauksen uuteen ikkunaan EAH6950-DCII/2DI4S/1 Asus 225.40€ 225.40€ X

AMD Radeon HD 6950 DirectCU II, 1GB GDDR5, 2xDVI/4xDP
Avaa tuotteen kuvauksen uuteen ikkunaan F3-10666CL9D-8GBXL G.Skill 42.00€ 42.00€ X

8GB Dual Kit Ripjaws-X, DDR3 1333MHz, CL 9-9-9-24
Avaa tuotteen kuvauksen uuteen ikkunaan HD103SJ Samsung 49.40€ 49.40€ X

1TB SpinPoint F3 3.5", SATAII, 32MB, 7200RPM
Avaa tuotteen kuvauksen uuteen ikkunaan RR-B10-212P-GP CoolerMaster 29.00€ 29.00€ X

Hyper 212 Plus prosessoricooleri
Avaa tuotteen kuvauksen uuteen ikkunaan 0761345-08300-3 Antec 52.00€ 52.00€ X

ATX-kotelo, Three Hundred Ultimate Gamer Case
Avaa tuotteen kuvauksen uuteen ikkunaan GH22NS30RBBB LG 19.90€ 19.90€ X

DVD+/-RW DL 22x, SATA, Musta Bulk
Avaa tuotteen kuvauksen uuteen ikkunaan P1-550S-XXB9 XFX 57.40€ 57.40€ X

550W Core Edition ATX-virtalähde, 80+ Bronze
Yhteensä: 785.10€

So only 50 euros cheaper, not too impressive.

And from hardwareversand:

+ Show Spoiler +
Article No. HV1030FRDE entfernen
XFX RADEON HD 6950 800M 1GB DDR5 DUAL MINIDP HDMI DUAL DVI
ready for dispatch

209,09 €


209,09 €
Article No. HV20I5K5DE entfernen
Intel Core i5-2500K Box, LGA1155
ready for dispatch

182,13 €


182,13 €
Article No. HV1130RWDE entfernen
ASRock P67 Pro (B3) Sockel 1155, ATX
ready for dispatch

86,69 €


86,69 €
Article No. HV20KI17DE entfernen
4GB Kingston ValueRAM PC3-10667U CL9
ready for dispatch

18,35 €


18,35 €
Article No. HV30AP24DE entfernen
Xigmatek Gaia SD1283 Heatpipe Cooler 120mm
ready for dispatch

21,39 €


21,39 €
Article No. HV13105SDE entfernen
Samsung EcoGreen F3 1TB,SATA II HD105SI
ready for dispatch

43,16 €


43,16 €
Article No. HVR550SADE entfernen
Super-Flower Amazon 80Plus 550W
ready for dispatch

52,06 €


52,06 €
Article No. HV203KB3DE entfernen
Antec Three Hundred, ATX, ohne Netzteil
ready for dispatch from 2011-09-26

52,01 €


52,01 €
Article No. HV207SBADE entfernen
Samsung SH-222AB bare schwarz SATA
ready for dispatch

16,68 €


16,68 €

Sum:

681,56 €

That's more like it...

Note that I was too lazy to link them as I'm kind of in a hurry right now but you should be able to use the search function etc. Those are just examples but you know where I'd order from.


Basing on my very limited knowledge that mobo doesnt seem to be very supportive of me upgrading the graphics card at least, this true? Would it be a lot more expensive to get a mobo that would support newer cards as well with the PCI-E 3.0 and still be stable with OCing the CPU?

E: Also, anyone with experience with hardwareversand, is it just the 30€ total for delivery to Finland as stated here
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
September 22 2011 14:53 GMT
#11793
On September 22 2011 23:43 Westerhound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2011 02:05 Shikyo wrote:
On September 22 2011 01:17 Westerhound wrote:
New computer needed.

What is your budget?
About 1000 euros. It's pretty flexible, but Id rather not go that much over it

What is your resolution?
Need a new monitor as well (hooray for using an iMac for 3 years, QQ), which will preferably be 1920x1080. If you've got good recommendations, please tell :I

What are you using it for?
Mostly gaming, with some photoshop mixed in. That isnt very important though, so Id rather not pay that much more for increased photoshopability.

What is your upgrade cycle?
About 2 years.

When do you plan on building it?
Next couple of weeks

Do you plan on overclocking?
Im not quite sure how all this overclocking business works. Id like to do it, but how much more will I have to pay in mobo, cooling and all that jazz if I decide to up the processor by a GHz or so?

Do you need an Operating System?
Ye, Win7

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
Nope

Where are you buying your parts from?
Only Finnish store that Ive found that can compete in prices is Jimms (searchfield is in the top left if you want to use that), and I can get my parts from there without paying shipping cause its fairly close. I am however open to ordering online as well, if it really gets cheaper that way.

Other stuff
I want to add a second monitor once I get a bit more monies, but this shouldnt affect the build that much as far as I know? Im a bit of a questionmark when it comes to the OCing as well, unfortunately

Here's a nice 835€ prebuilt computer that I'm going to try to beat in cost-efficiency using jimms and then hardwareversand:
http://www.silentrig.com/product/1028/high-power-budjet

Here's a similiar computer in parts from Jimms:
+ Show Spoiler +
Tuotekoodi Valmistaja Hinta Kpl Yhteensä
Avaa tuotteen kuvauksen uuteen ikkunaan P67-PRO3-B3 AsRock 115.00€ 115.00€ X

P67 Pro3 B3, LGA1155, Intel P67, DDR3, ATX
Avaa tuotteen kuvauksen uuteen ikkunaan BX80623I52500K Intel 195.00€ 195.00€ X

Core i5 2500K, LGA1155, 3.3 GHz, 6MB
Avaa tuotteen kuvauksen uuteen ikkunaan EAH6950-DCII/2DI4S/1 Asus 225.40€ 225.40€ X

AMD Radeon HD 6950 DirectCU II, 1GB GDDR5, 2xDVI/4xDP
Avaa tuotteen kuvauksen uuteen ikkunaan F3-10666CL9D-8GBXL G.Skill 42.00€ 42.00€ X

8GB Dual Kit Ripjaws-X, DDR3 1333MHz, CL 9-9-9-24
Avaa tuotteen kuvauksen uuteen ikkunaan HD103SJ Samsung 49.40€ 49.40€ X

1TB SpinPoint F3 3.5", SATAII, 32MB, 7200RPM
Avaa tuotteen kuvauksen uuteen ikkunaan RR-B10-212P-GP CoolerMaster 29.00€ 29.00€ X

Hyper 212 Plus prosessoricooleri
Avaa tuotteen kuvauksen uuteen ikkunaan 0761345-08300-3 Antec 52.00€ 52.00€ X

ATX-kotelo, Three Hundred Ultimate Gamer Case
Avaa tuotteen kuvauksen uuteen ikkunaan GH22NS30RBBB LG 19.90€ 19.90€ X

DVD+/-RW DL 22x, SATA, Musta Bulk
Avaa tuotteen kuvauksen uuteen ikkunaan P1-550S-XXB9 XFX 57.40€ 57.40€ X

550W Core Edition ATX-virtalähde, 80+ Bronze
Yhteensä: 785.10€

So only 50 euros cheaper, not too impressive.

And from hardwareversand:

+ Show Spoiler +
Article No. HV1030FRDE entfernen
XFX RADEON HD 6950 800M 1GB DDR5 DUAL MINIDP HDMI DUAL DVI
ready for dispatch

209,09 €


209,09 €
Article No. HV20I5K5DE entfernen
Intel Core i5-2500K Box, LGA1155
ready for dispatch

182,13 €


182,13 €
Article No. HV1130RWDE entfernen
ASRock P67 Pro (B3) Sockel 1155, ATX
ready for dispatch

86,69 €


86,69 €
Article No. HV20KI17DE entfernen
4GB Kingston ValueRAM PC3-10667U CL9
ready for dispatch

18,35 €


18,35 €
Article No. HV30AP24DE entfernen
Xigmatek Gaia SD1283 Heatpipe Cooler 120mm
ready for dispatch

21,39 €


21,39 €
Article No. HV13105SDE entfernen
Samsung EcoGreen F3 1TB,SATA II HD105SI
ready for dispatch

43,16 €


43,16 €
Article No. HVR550SADE entfernen
Super-Flower Amazon 80Plus 550W
ready for dispatch

52,06 €


52,06 €
Article No. HV203KB3DE entfernen
Antec Three Hundred, ATX, ohne Netzteil
ready for dispatch from 2011-09-26

52,01 €


52,01 €
Article No. HV207SBADE entfernen
Samsung SH-222AB bare schwarz SATA
ready for dispatch

16,68 €


16,68 €

Sum:

681,56 €

That's more like it...

Note that I was too lazy to link them as I'm kind of in a hurry right now but you should be able to use the search function etc. Those are just examples but you know where I'd order from.


Basing on my very limited knowledge that mobo doesnt seem to be very supportive of me upgrading the graphics card at least, this true? Would it be a lot more expensive to get a mobo that would support newer cards as well with the PCI-E 3.0 and still be stable with OCing the CPU?

E: Also, anyone with experience with hardwareversand, is it just the 30€ total for delivery to Finland as stated here


PCIE 3.0 is completely useless for 99% of users, PCIE 2.x bus is fast enough for any 2 GPU setup, and most 3GPU without slowing down. By quad GPU it's a bit slow.

In other words, if you're on a budget below ~$6-8k, don't worry about it.
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-22 15:36:51
September 22 2011 15:31 GMT
#11794
Meh, pointless re-troll. Deleted it. And looking above, SkyR beat me to it. LOL.
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
ThatGuy89
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1968 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-22 17:32:51
September 22 2011 17:10 GMT
#11795
edit: Changed my mind, sorry
Kinetik_Inferno
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1431 Posts
September 22 2011 17:33 GMT
#11796
What does unlocking shaders mean?
Kinetik_Inferno
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1431 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-22 18:35:29
September 22 2011 18:34 GMT
#11797
On September 22 2011 08:27 JingleHell wrote:
Xigmatek Gaia, CM Hyper 212+, Corsair A70, anything by Noctua, most Zalman's...

Basically anything that isn't a closed loop liquid cooler like an H60.

160mm tower coolers are the typical air coolers for normal cases. Generally take 120mm fans.

Say, why the hell do we call them 120mm instead of 12cm? Or is that just us silly stubborn Americans who refuse to accept a rational system of measurement?


On the amazon page of the CM Hyper 212+ (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002G1YPH0/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&m=A2EUTVCJXLAJ4K) it says at the top 775/1156/1336, so wouldn't it not be compatible with LGA 1155?

EDIT: It says in the details that it IS compatible with 1155. What? I'm confused.
Wabbit
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1028 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-22 18:39:08
September 22 2011 18:38 GMT
#11798
On September 23 2011 03:34 Kinetik_Inferno wrote:
...it says at the top 775/1156/1336, so wouldn't it not be compatible with LGA 1155?

EDIT: It says in the details that it IS compatible with 1155. What? I'm confused.


1156 and 1155 use the same mounting holes so if a heatsink is compatible with 1156 it should work with 1155.

EDIT: and the Hyper 212+ is probably the most popular 1155 heatsink so... no doubts about that one.
The answers to most of your Tech Support questions are in the OP. That's why you're not getting a reply. It's been answered before. Read the OP.
Kinetik_Inferno
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1431 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-22 19:38:44
September 22 2011 19:15 GMT
#11799
What's a good quality, reliable, mid-range motherboard that:

is LGA 1155 compatible
Has at least one PCI-E port
Has at least three RAM slots
I will not be overclocking anything but the Graphics card, and that only slightly
Preferably SATA3
needs to be TRIM compatible

and is also roomy. I have a freaking huge graphics card in mind and I want to make sure that that and the HSF fit. I know that my case is roomy, so I think I'll be fine there.

EDIT: Added more specifics.

Will this motherboard be roomy enough? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130582

I just want to make sure all the parts fit.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-22 19:18:24
September 22 2011 19:17 GMT
#11800
Why would you want 3 RAM slots on anything that isn't 1366? Even then, it better be SFF or have 6...

Oh, and I'm pretty sure somewhere near 100% of retail motherboards for modern sockets have at least one PCIe...

Basically, you haven't narrowed it down. Your needs for OCing and connectivity are much more useful.
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