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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
July 08 2011 14:00 GMT
#8061
I have a question as i've read a few articles recently on GPU and stuff, is the 5970 is really as good as it seems ? i mean even now where is it compared to a 6990 and a 590 ?
"What if it's a triple DK ?" "Then we cry" "Prepare your handkerchief then ..."
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 08 2011 14:02 GMT
#8062
On July 08 2011 23:00 Rachnar wrote:
I have a question as i've read a few articles recently on GPU and stuff, is the 5970 is really as good as it seems ? i mean even now where is it compared to a 6990 and a 590 ?


http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/297

Feel free to select any second card to compare.
hellgoat
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden30 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-08 15:14:11
July 08 2011 15:13 GMT
#8063
So, I'm building a computer for a friend of mine.

Here's the list I have so far (from the swedish Komplett)

I saved chassi for him to pick. I'd just like some general feedback on this.

He's also looking to buy a new monitor, and we'll be buying from the same place. That rig should manage 1080p no problems, so I was thinking a 1920x1080 monitor. He had a budget of 11-12k swedish (1,1-1,2k euro), so there's some 300 euros left in the budget, depending on what chassi he picks. I'm not very good with monitors, so I was wondering if you had any ideas. It's primarily going to be used for gaming, with all that entails (low ms and such).

Appreciate any thoughts <3
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 08 2011 15:14 GMT
#8064
On July 09 2011 00:13 hellgoat wrote:
So, I'm buying a monitor for a buddy of mine.

Here's the list I have so far (from the swedish Komplett)
Here is the list

I saved chassi for him to pick. I'd just like some general feedback on this.

He's also looking to buy a new monitor, and we'll be buying from the same place. That rig should manage 1080p no problems, so I was thinking a 1920x1080 monitor. He had a budget of 11-12k swedish (1,1-1,2k euro), so there's some 300 euros left in the budget, depending on what chassi he picks. I'm not very good with monitors, so I was wondering if you had any ideas. It's primarily going to be used for gaming, with all that entails (low ms and such).

Appreciate any thoughts <3


Sorry, I'm not clicking on the button that link takes me to without being able to read what I'm agreeing to.

hellgoat
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden30 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-08 15:33:32
July 08 2011 15:32 GMT
#8065
All righty, making a list.

Sony Optiarc DVD±RW Burner, AD-5260S

ASUS GeForce GTX 560 1GB PhysX CUDA

ASUS P8H67 B3, Socket-1155

Crucial m4 SSD 2,5" 64GB

Samsung SpinPoint F3 1TB

Corsair XMS3 DDR3 1333MHz 8GB CL9

Intel® Core™ i5-2400

Cooler Master Silent Pro M500 500W PSU

Hope that helps.

PS: For reference, here is the list of monitors available at 1920x1080.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-08 15:38:33
July 08 2011 15:37 GMT
#8066
Well, I suck with PSU's and I'll assume the prices are reasonable, but the list looks functional, and yeah, 1080p will be fine.

You shouldn't need to spend anywhere near the full price on a display. Just consider that the bigger you go at a resolution, the worse the pixel density. Best way to explain this, you know how the picture looks if you sit too close to a big screen TV? If you get too big of a display in any given resolution, you can get something similar to that, which, when gaming, can hurt quality of graphics.

Generally not an issue though, I'm using a 32" TV on my desk, but it did take some getting used to.

Just have him get one based on features, anything 5ms or better and 60hz will be fine unless he specifically needs something else.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
July 08 2011 15:53 GMT
#8067
If you wanted to save some money you could just as easily go with this
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=635831
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Dannnnn_The_Man
Profile Joined April 2011
United States166 Posts
July 08 2011 16:23 GMT
#8068
Ok so i was installing my motherboard and i see a very small crack on the bottom side of the motherboard. It's nothing big and i really don't care as long as it works, but do you guys think this will cause the motherboard not to work correctly? Also, i have built the entire thing know and am going to plug it in later today, will it be obivous if the motherboard isn't working right?
"I reject your reality and substitute my own!"
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-08 16:28:30
July 08 2011 16:25 GMT
#8069
On July 09 2011 01:23 Dannnnn_The_Man wrote:
Ok so i was installing my motherboard and i see a very small crack on the bottom side of the motherboard. It's nothing big and i really don't care as long as it works, but do you guys think this will cause the motherboard not to work correctly? Also, i have built the entire thing know and am going to plug it in later today, will it be obivous if the motherboard isn't working right?


Odds are it won't work if it's damaged. You should IMMEDIATELY contact customer service, and be very assertive that it was damaged. Do NOT tell them you assembled it, tell them it was damaged when you took it out of the package and you immediately contacted them.

And yes, you'd be able to tell if the motherboard wasn't working properly upon attempting to turn it on.

And by odds are it won't work, I'm talking about the sort of thing where if you did try it and it did work properly, you should probably run out and buy a lottery ticket.
Dannnnn_The_Man
Profile Joined April 2011
United States166 Posts
July 08 2011 16:28 GMT
#8070
On July 09 2011 01:25 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 01:23 Dannnnn_The_Man wrote:
Ok so i was installing my motherboard and i see a very small crack on the bottom side of the motherboard. It's nothing big and i really don't care as long as it works, but do you guys think this will cause the motherboard not to work correctly? Also, i have built the entire thing know and am going to plug it in later today, will it be obivous if the motherboard isn't working right?


Odds are it won't work if it's damaged. You should IMMEDIATELY contact customer service, and be very assertive that it was damaged. Do NOT tell them you assembled it, tell them it was damaged when you took it out of the package and you immediately contacted them.

And yes, you'd be able to tell if the motherboard wasn't working properly upon attempting to turn it on.



It's literally like the size of a hair its barely noticable but its there. Should i try seeing if it works first? or just return it?
"I reject your reality and substitute my own!"
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 08 2011 16:30 GMT
#8071
On July 09 2011 01:28 Dannnnn_The_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 01:25 JingleHell wrote:
On July 09 2011 01:23 Dannnnn_The_Man wrote:
Ok so i was installing my motherboard and i see a very small crack on the bottom side of the motherboard. It's nothing big and i really don't care as long as it works, but do you guys think this will cause the motherboard not to work correctly? Also, i have built the entire thing know and am going to plug it in later today, will it be obivous if the motherboard isn't working right?


Odds are it won't work if it's damaged. You should IMMEDIATELY contact customer service, and be very assertive that it was damaged. Do NOT tell them you assembled it, tell them it was damaged when you took it out of the package and you immediately contacted them.

And yes, you'd be able to tell if the motherboard wasn't working properly upon attempting to turn it on.



It's literally like the size of a hair its barely noticable but its there. Should i try seeing if it works first? or just return it?


For one, every time you have to troubleshoot something, you run the risk of the crack getting bigger and causing permanent damage even if it did work now.

For two, your motherboard is a giant, complicated printed circuit board. Odds are rather good that that hairline crack is breaking dozens, hundreds, or thousands of tiny circuits that are needed for it to function.
Dannnnn_The_Man
Profile Joined April 2011
United States166 Posts
July 08 2011 16:34 GMT
#8072
On July 09 2011 01:30 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 01:28 Dannnnn_The_Man wrote:
On July 09 2011 01:25 JingleHell wrote:
On July 09 2011 01:23 Dannnnn_The_Man wrote:
Ok so i was installing my motherboard and i see a very small crack on the bottom side of the motherboard. It's nothing big and i really don't care as long as it works, but do you guys think this will cause the motherboard not to work correctly? Also, i have built the entire thing know and am going to plug it in later today, will it be obivous if the motherboard isn't working right?


Odds are it won't work if it's damaged. You should IMMEDIATELY contact customer service, and be very assertive that it was damaged. Do NOT tell them you assembled it, tell them it was damaged when you took it out of the package and you immediately contacted them.

And yes, you'd be able to tell if the motherboard wasn't working properly upon attempting to turn it on.



It's literally like the size of a hair its barely noticable but its there. Should i try seeing if it works first? or just return it?


For one, every time you have to troubleshoot something, you run the risk of the crack getting bigger and causing permanent damage even if it did work now.

For two, your motherboard is a giant, complicated printed circuit board. Odds are rather good that that hairline crack is breaking dozens, hundreds, or thousands of tiny circuits that are needed for it to function.


So i should just contact newegg customer service and tell em there was a crack in it when i opened it. Do you think they'll replace it?
"I reject your reality and substitute my own!"
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 08 2011 16:35 GMT
#8073
On July 09 2011 01:34 Dannnnn_The_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2011 01:30 JingleHell wrote:
On July 09 2011 01:28 Dannnnn_The_Man wrote:
On July 09 2011 01:25 JingleHell wrote:
On July 09 2011 01:23 Dannnnn_The_Man wrote:
Ok so i was installing my motherboard and i see a very small crack on the bottom side of the motherboard. It's nothing big and i really don't care as long as it works, but do you guys think this will cause the motherboard not to work correctly? Also, i have built the entire thing know and am going to plug it in later today, will it be obivous if the motherboard isn't working right?


Odds are it won't work if it's damaged. You should IMMEDIATELY contact customer service, and be very assertive that it was damaged. Do NOT tell them you assembled it, tell them it was damaged when you took it out of the package and you immediately contacted them.

And yes, you'd be able to tell if the motherboard wasn't working properly upon attempting to turn it on.



It's literally like the size of a hair its barely noticable but its there. Should i try seeing if it works first? or just return it?


For one, every time you have to troubleshoot something, you run the risk of the crack getting bigger and causing permanent damage even if it did work now.

For two, your motherboard is a giant, complicated printed circuit board. Odds are rather good that that hairline crack is breaking dozens, hundreds, or thousands of tiny circuits that are needed for it to function.


So i should just contact newegg customer service and tell em there was a crack in it when i opened it. Do you think they'll replace it?


Physical damage doesn't get covered well, so basically you're just going to have to try it, and try and convince them it was their fault and they don't want to lose a customer. If they won't, try the manufacturer.
Bambipwnsu
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada698 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-08 17:10:18
July 08 2011 17:09 GMT
#8074
@hellgoat

Get the "BenQ 24" LED BL2400PT" from the list you provided.

Excellent stand. Amazing image.

My friend has the BL2400PU which apparently just has an additional USB hub. It's a VA panel.

review of the BL2400PU:
LoL @ NA: bambipwnsu
bigburd47
Profile Joined July 2011
2 Posts
July 08 2011 21:49 GMT
#8075
hey hey hey I am about to buy my build and would like you guys to check it out and make sure its all good and if you have any recommendations... Thanks :D

Here Is The Build:


Processor: Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K

Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-Z68A-D3H-B3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

RAM: CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9B

Graphics Card: EVGA SuperClocked 01G-P3-1567-KR GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

Hard Drive: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

Case: COOLER MASTER Storm Enforcer SGC-1000-KWN1 Black SECC / ABS Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case ATX PS2 / EPS 12V (optional ) Power Supply

Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer Series HCG-750 750W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V v2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply

Cooling: COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7

DVD Burner: ASUS 24X DVD Burner - Bulk 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS - OEM
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
July 08 2011 21:54 GMT
#8076
Hyper 212+ extremely overpriced. If you want to pay a premium on what's suppose to be a $20-$30 heatsink than you're welcomed to but a Xigmatek Gaia offers similar performance and can be had for a reasonable price: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233082

1600MHz memory provides little benefits over 1333MHz.

750w is unnecessary unless you plan on doing SLI GTX 560 Ti in the future, even than it's still a little bit unnecessary.
bigburd47
Profile Joined July 2011
2 Posts
July 08 2011 21:56 GMT
#8077
I am planning to do SLI

1600MHz is $4 more then 1333MHz

and yes im getting the Hyper 212 on amazon


so is everything good?
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-08 22:01:27
July 08 2011 21:58 GMT
#8078
Are you planning on SLI GTX 560 Ti? You don't even need 750W for that, but anyway, I'm going to convince you not to consider SLI as an upgrade path, if you are, so in the below I'll assume you're not going for that.

edit: SLI as future upgrade path sucks. It's not worth paying more for the power supply, dealing with the extra heat and power consumption and noise, and driver/profile support sucks, particularly for new releases. Sometimes performance may not be better than a single card. Future video cards will have better performance using the same power/heat as what's currently available.

If you don't need Z68 features, I'd just get this CPU+motherboard combo since it's cheaper.

i5-2500k and MSI P67A-G45 - $325
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.660241

Faster memory makes a very marginal difference. Dealing with tall heatspreaders and paying $15 more isn't worth it.

G.Skill 2 x 4GB DDR3 RAM - $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231424

This power supply is a slight downgrade in quality compared to the HCG750 in addition to having much less wattage, but it's definitely enough for the build.

XFX Core 450W - $55, $45 AMIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207012

Hyper 212 Plus is good, but it's a $25 cooler, not a $50 cooler. The below is pretty much the same but quieter.

Xigmatek Gaia - $28
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233082
Czarkasm
Profile Joined July 2011
United States22 Posts
July 08 2011 23:22 GMT
#8079
Looking to build a relatively cheap system that can handle SC2 well.

What is your budget? Rough estimate of $500, can go over.
What is your resolution? Don't have a monitor atm but that can be excluded in the cost.
What are you using it for? Mostly gaming, I would like to run SC2 mid-high with stable and solid fps, a bit of photoshop and some online radio streaming and music playing.
What is your upgrade cycle? This is pretty much a temporary buy for me that I would like to last a few years, however, if it is possible to be upgradable that would be a plus.
When do you plan on building it?
Probably early next month.
Do you plan on overclocking? No overclocking for me.
Do you need an Operating System?
I believe so, my brother just got a new desktop so maybe his came with one that I could use (not really sure how that works) if not then yes, I will need an OS which can be excluded in the price.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
Not sure.
Where are you buying your parts from?
I have a local microcenter store, but will order online if necessary.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
July 08 2011 23:35 GMT
#8080
@Czarkasm

A configuration for $587 before mail in rebates capable of playing Starcraft II and other games on high at 1080p along with streaming:

Unfortunately Microcenter doesn't seem to carry the Core i5 2400 for around $150 anymore? If your Microcenter does than you should get that instead of the core i5 2500k.

If you're looking to lower the total, you can switch out the Radeon HD6850 for a Radeon HD5770 for $120 ($100 after mail in rebate): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121363 This card would be capable of handling medium-high at 1080p smoothly in the majority of games currently on the market.

Intel Core i5 2500k @ $180
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0354589

HIS Radeon HD6850 @ $160 ($150 after mail in rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161348

Asrock H61M-VS @ $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157241

Mushkin 2x2GB 1333MHz @ $38 ($23 after mail in rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226092

Corsair CX430 V2 @ $45 ($25 after mail in rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026

Coolermaster Elite 330 @ $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119115

Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB @ $45
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136769

DVD Burner @ $19
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106289

The Windows operating system can only be active on one computer at any given time so you cannot use it on two computers. You'll have to pirate it, purchase it for $100, or get it for free/at a discounted price from university or other means.
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