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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 17 2011 23:24 GMT
#6961
@alberich

A Core i5 2300 & Asrock H61M-VS would only be roughly €40 more expensive than your current AMD configuration:

http://www.hardware-planet.it/product_info.php?&products_id=4269
http://www.hardware-planet.it/product_info.php?&products_id=6389

If you don't mind having a dual core instead, you could get a Core i3 2100 instead (still is better than the AMD Phenom II X4 in gaming) which would make it less expensive than the current AMD configuration: http://www.hardware-planet.it/product_info.php?&products_id=6045

I just can't recommend a Phenom when Intel is the clear leader for gaming performance at basically every price point. With so many games being console ports nowadays, most modern configurations such as your AMD one will be capable of playing games on low settings for the next three years or so.

For memory, you just want the least expensive 4GB stick if you are on such a tight budget: http://www.hardware-planet.it/product_info.php?&products_id=4281

DDR3 and DDR2 aren't interchangeable so unfortunately you can't just re-use your old memory.

@Uhh Negative

What does failing mean?
Gogleion
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States534 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-17 23:38:41
June 17 2011 23:33 GMT
#6962
First off, I'd like to say that I've built computers before, I know how to but I don't know what components to buy because I haven't kept up with recent parts. I'm sure that there are people here that know much more about what's what in the PC industry these days. I don't care about noise.

I already have the following:
Zalman 92mm Cooler.
I bought this 2 years ago, so I don't know if it will be compatible with the newer CPU sockets.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118223&cm_re=zalman_cooler-_-35-118-223-_-Product

Tuniq 650W PSU
Two 12V rails, each with 25A. I actually like this PSU a lot. If anyone knows if this is a death trap or something then I'll upgrade.
It's not listed on Newegg anymore

MSI N250 GTS (PCIe2.0)
If I should upgrade this, let me know. I think it's fine.

CD/DVD Drive
I rarely use this

I need:
Case - A good one that doesn't short out the motherboard when I touch it. And that it stays together. Practicality > Flashiness for me.
Motherboard - Reliability is very important to me I would also like integrated sound with three channel output.
CPU - I've generally used AMD but I'm fine with running Intel. I don't want the best CPU ever, but I want something pretty good.
RAM - I need 8GB.
Hard Drive - I'm using 159.8 out of my 160GB right now, something a little bigger? I bought a 500GB drive back when that was a lot of storage but the drive was unreliable. I really want something that's reliable and fast. I am also considering running a RAID 0 setup if anyone recommends it.


What is your budget?
$900 is the absolute max, $750 would be very nice. I will send you a very cheerful PM if you get me a good setup for under $750

What is your resolution?
1680x1050

What are you using it for?
I don't really care about graphics for gaming, if the graphics are above the minimum for most games, I'll be happy with the GPU.

The majority of my hunger for power comes from web design. I frequently have Photoshop, Flash, Dreamweaver, and Eclipse open all at once. My computer is fairly old so I have to close programs frequently. Also loading these programs take a while. I'd say hard drive speed is very important.

What is your upgrade cycle?
My current build has been pretty much the same parts for 3 years. Before that, that computer lasted me 2 years. When I upgrade, I want to upgrade everything so I'm fine with getting a new motherboard if my socket is incompatible. I want all of my parts to last 3-4 years.

When do you plan on building it?
As soon as practical, I want to get some research done but I'm ready to do it within 1-2 weeks.

Do you plan on overclocking?
I've played with overclocking a little, I don't do it now and I don't have any plans to.

Do you need an Operating System?
I have a copy of Windows XP right now, I like it a lot and I've configured a lot of things. That being said, I want to upgrade to Windows 7 sometime soon but not if it kills the budget.

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No.

Where are you buying your parts from?
I like Newegg a lot, so I'd prefer there. I've also had good experiences with TigerDirect.com. But I trust people here to find a good place. I live in Colorado USA, not a lot of places to buy retail.

I feel old thinking about how out of date I am... If someone could send me a PM with the results then that would be awesome, I don't check threads too often but I'll try my best to.

Thank you!
EffOrt. That is all.
Uhh Negative
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1090 Posts
June 17 2011 23:41 GMT
#6963
Ok windows 7 gets done with the installation then it says it needs to restart, but then it just goes back to the original setup screen and wants me to do it all over again.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-17 23:45:04
June 17 2011 23:44 GMT
#6964
On June 18 2011 08:41 Uhh Negative wrote:
Ok windows 7 gets done with the installation then it says it needs to restart, but then it just goes back to the original setup screen and wants me to do it all over again.


Take the DVD out. It's bootable, and the first boot device. In other words, it will continue to boot off the disc while it's in there.
Uhh Negative
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1090 Posts
June 17 2011 23:46 GMT
#6965
On June 18 2011 08:44 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2011 08:41 Uhh Negative wrote:
Ok windows 7 gets done with the installation then it says it needs to restart, but then it just goes back to the original setup screen and wants me to do it all over again.


Take the DVD out. It's bootable, and the first boot device. In other words, it will continue to boot off the disc while it's in there.

I'm using a flash drive but I'll try that next time. Take it out during the second boot?
Onioncookie
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany624 Posts
June 17 2011 23:49 GMT
#6966
Thats why i got now after changing some things [image loading]

Iam going to buy this Cooler from amazon ...

Thats about it i think ... just wanted to ask for a last "check"
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-17 23:52:29
June 17 2011 23:50 GMT
#6967
@Gogleion

Your power supply provides 46a on the 12v rails and is a Sunbeam OEM. It's a decent unit according to the few reviews I can find:

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/734/pg1/tuniq-potency-650w-psu-introduction.html
http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=763


Here's what you need for $649, capable of handling many games at reasonable settings on 1080p:

Core i5 2400 @ $190
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115074

Asrock H61M U3S3 @ $75
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157236

Gigabyte GTX 560 @ $190 ($170 after mail in rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125383

GSkill 1333MHz 2x4GB @ $74
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231424

Samsung spinpoint F3 1TB @ $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

Coolermaster HAF 912 @ $60 ($50 after mail in rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233



If you have no intention of upgrading your monitor to 1920x1200 or just want to save some money. You could step down the graphics card to a Radeon HD5770 for $110 ($90 after mail in rebate): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121363 If you don't mind playing on max settings at your resolution than keeping the GTS 250 is fine if you want to save money.

2x4GB memory kits often go on sale for $60-$70 on Newegg so you may want to keep an eye out for that when you are ready to purchase.

Not sure where you are in Colorado but there is a Microcenter in Denver where you could get basically a core i5 2500k and a P67 motherboard for the same price as a core i5 2400 and H61 motherboard on Newegg. The "K" on the processor signifies an unlocked multiplier which is used for overclocking and a stronger IGP which hopefully you will never use.

Feel free to message me or respond back here if you have any further questions.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
June 17 2011 23:51 GMT
#6968
On June 18 2011 08:46 Uhh Negative wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2011 08:44 JingleHell wrote:
On June 18 2011 08:41 Uhh Negative wrote:
Ok windows 7 gets done with the installation then it says it needs to restart, but then it just goes back to the original setup screen and wants me to do it all over again.


Take the DVD out. It's bootable, and the first boot device. In other words, it will continue to boot off the disc while it's in there.

I'm using a flash drive but I'll try that next time. Take it out during the second boot?


Whatever bootable media you're using, remove it after the installation completes before the computer boots, yes. With a flash drive, I suggest doing so with the PC actually off.
Uhh Negative
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1090 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-17 23:55:33
June 17 2011 23:55 GMT
#6969
On June 18 2011 08:51 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2011 08:46 Uhh Negative wrote:
On June 18 2011 08:44 JingleHell wrote:
On June 18 2011 08:41 Uhh Negative wrote:
Ok windows 7 gets done with the installation then it says it needs to restart, but then it just goes back to the original setup screen and wants me to do it all over again.


Take the DVD out. It's bootable, and the first boot device. In other words, it will continue to boot off the disc while it's in there.

I'm using a flash drive but I'll try that next time. Take it out during the second boot?


Whatever bootable media you're using, remove it after the installation completes before the computer boots, yes. With a flash drive, I suggest doing so with the PC actually off.

Well the computer never actually turns completely off. I'm getting all kinds of blue screens and stuff trying to re-do this thing... Ugh.. So frustrating.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-17 23:59:24
June 17 2011 23:58 GMT
#6970
On June 18 2011 08:55 Uhh Negative wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2011 08:51 JingleHell wrote:
On June 18 2011 08:46 Uhh Negative wrote:
On June 18 2011 08:44 JingleHell wrote:
On June 18 2011 08:41 Uhh Negative wrote:
Ok windows 7 gets done with the installation then it says it needs to restart, but then it just goes back to the original setup screen and wants me to do it all over again.


Take the DVD out. It's bootable, and the first boot device. In other words, it will continue to boot off the disc while it's in there.

I'm using a flash drive but I'll try that next time. Take it out during the second boot?


Whatever bootable media you're using, remove it after the installation completes before the computer boots, yes. With a flash drive, I suggest doing so with the PC actually off.

Well the computer never actually turns completely off. I'm getting all kinds of blue screens and stuff trying to re-do this thing... Ugh.. So frustrating.


Clarify about the blue screens? Also, to avoid damaging the contents of the flash drive, if it isn't powering off, when it reboots, enter the BIOS, and somewhere in the settings will be Boot priority. Set Hard Drive to boot before USB and presto.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 18 2011 00:03 GMT
#6971
@Onioncookie

You mentioned you didn't want SLI or CrossfireX so why the choice of a UD4? If you want a 12 phase board or a SLI capable board, the Asrock P67 Extreme4 or ASUS P8P67 Pro would be similar / better at a less expensive price than the UD4.

If you don't mind ordering from Amazon, there are less expensive power supply options such as XFX: http://www.amazon.de/XFX-PRO450W-CORE-P1-450S-XXB9-Netzteil/dp/B004RJ8EIA/
Uhh Negative
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1090 Posts
June 18 2011 00:04 GMT
#6972
Woo!!! Took out the USB at the right time and it's working right so far. Fingers crossed.
Uhh Negative
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1090 Posts
June 18 2011 00:05 GMT
#6973
Wait... so now does the installation still need the USB to complete the installation? It's just sitting there saying completing the installation. In that case I'm going to have to do it again and do the BIOS boot priority method instead.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
June 18 2011 00:07 GMT
#6974
On June 18 2011 09:04 Uhh Negative wrote:
Woo!!! Took out the USB at the right time and it's working right so far. Fingers crossed.


Just remember that particular bit of wisdom for next time, eh mate? If the computer is booting off of something specific, it will continue to do so until otherwise instructed or that something is removed, no matter what that something is.

Also, if you ever have to reset your BIOS (A.K.A. clear CMOS, you're doing this if you take the battery out of your motherboard), it will reset boot priority too, which has been known to drive even the tech savvy slightly batshit, since we're really good at forgetting the simple things when they're applied to our own hardware.

Onioncookie
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany624 Posts
June 18 2011 00:16 GMT
#6975
On June 18 2011 09:03 skyR wrote:
@Onioncookie

You mentioned you didn't want SLI or CrossfireX so why the choice of a UD4? If you want a 12 phase board or a SLI capable board, the Asrock P67 Extreme4 or ASUS P8P67 Pro would be similar / better at a less expensive price than the UD4.

If you don't mind ordering from Amazon, there are less expensive power supply options such as XFX: http://www.amazon.de/XFX-PRO450W-CORE-P1-450S-XXB9-Netzteil/dp/B004RJ8EIA/


Thank you very much skyR ! Uve been rly helpfull ordering right now ! Great job ur doing here helping all the ppl ...

U deserve a medal atleast
Uhh Negative
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1090 Posts
June 18 2011 00:19 GMT
#6976
Alright I got it installed but it didn't accept my product key probably because it's an upgrade version. I'm doing a double install now.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
June 18 2011 00:22 GMT
#6977
On June 18 2011 09:19 Uhh Negative wrote:
Alright I got it installed but it didn't accept my product key probably because it's an upgrade version. I'm doing a double install now.


Pretty sure there's a workaround for that. Haven't done it myself, but friends have.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 18 2011 00:22 GMT
#6978
Option 3: http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/31402-clean-install-upgrade-windows-7-version.html
Uhh Negative
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1090 Posts
June 18 2011 00:39 GMT
#6979
Yeah... I should've just done the registry workaround. I was looking at that after I started the second (upgrade) install but it's almost done now so it's whatever. Installing the video card drivers after that then heading out to hang out with friends for the night. Thanks for the help everyone. I'm sure I come off as an absolute noob here but I'm not that stupid when it comes to computers. I just get inpatient sometimes haha.
Uhh Negative
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1090 Posts
June 18 2011 01:10 GMT
#6980
Uh oh. Speedfan is showing a temp of 127 for something but everything is low or mid 30s. Just an error probably? I watched the CPU temp in the BIOS and it stayed at like 30.
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