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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-14 20:43:38
June 14 2011 20:42 GMT
#6821
On June 15 2011 05:41 Uhh Negative wrote:
Would you guys say that technology development is outpacing game development these days? It seems like processors/GPUs are getting vastly more powerful, but games aren't developing quite as fast to keep up and so we are left with powerful machines that aren't challenged. Though I'm sure some games don't run well simply because they aren't coded very well.


Don't open this can of worms in this thread please. It doesn't need de-railed.
scarymeerkat
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada107 Posts
June 14 2011 20:48 GMT
#6822
So because I changed from buying from NCIX to Canada Computers, the date changed from monday to wednesday. However the HDD I had lined up (http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=15_210_212&item_id=036109) is out of stock ONLY at the branch I'm going (Hamilton). Any good replacements available at that location? It's not TERRIBLY out of the way to go to the Hamilton Mountain location, but if there's another HDD that's just as good for similar price and will save me a trip I'd like that. Also, I don't think I'm getting a mobo with SATA3 so does that mean that one is dumb anyway? I don't know this stuff.

Also, I know the DVD writer doesn't have to be anything special, but any particular brands/models that are good but cheap? The one suggested earlier is out of stock at Canada Computers too.
"From... BootySmackarack" - Artosis reading GOM interview questions
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 14 2011 20:53 GMT
#6823
Harddrives can't saturate SATA2. Harddrives that come with a SATA 3 interface is just a marketing gimmick. There's no speed difference between the two for harddrives.

You can get a Seagate: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?&item_id=037031
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
June 14 2011 21:05 GMT
#6824
On June 15 2011 04:48 Onioncookie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2011 11:01 Myrmidon wrote:
@Onioncookie:

This is a bit above your original budget range, but it has a i5-2410M, HD 6850M (a downclocked desktop HD 5770, so it will run games on high or medium very well), and a 17" screen. I don't think this is a particularly great deal, but it looked better than most of the other options on amazon.de.

Acer Aspire 7750G


Hmmm thanks looks good ... and i forgot that i wanted to go for Intel/Nvidia since i dont wanna go for ATI anymore is there a similar model with an Nvidia? :D


This I guess.

http://www.amazon.de/X53SV-SX218V-Notebook-Intel-2410M-NVIDIA/dp/B004S6PWIW/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1308084973&sr=1-1
http://www.amazon.de/X73SV-TY130V-Notebook-Intel-NVIDIA-schwarz-bronze/dp/B004ULVCBQ/ref=sr_1_21?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1308085159&sr=1-21

GT 540M is not quite as good.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-540M.41715.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-HD-6850M.43079.0.html
Onioncookie
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany624 Posts
June 14 2011 21:28 GMT
#6825
On June 15 2011 06:05 Myrmidon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2011 04:48 Onioncookie wrote:
On June 14 2011 11:01 Myrmidon wrote:
@Onioncookie:

This is a bit above your original budget range, but it has a i5-2410M, HD 6850M (a downclocked desktop HD 5770, so it will run games on high or medium very well), and a 17" screen. I don't think this is a particularly great deal, but it looked better than most of the other options on amazon.de.

Acer Aspire 7750G


Hmmm thanks looks good ... and i forgot that i wanted to go for Intel/Nvidia since i dont wanna go for ATI anymore is there a similar model with an Nvidia? :D


This I guess.

http://www.amazon.de/X53SV-SX218V-Notebook-Intel-2410M-NVIDIA/dp/B004S6PWIW/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1308084973&sr=1-1
http://www.amazon.de/X73SV-TY130V-Notebook-Intel-NVIDIA-schwarz-bronze/dp/B004ULVCBQ/ref=sr_1_21?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1308085159&sr=1-21

GT 540M is not quite as good.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-540M.41715.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-HD-6850M.43079.0.html


Hmmm then i will probably go for the one u suggested me in the beginning looks like a very good laptop there

this is the same isnt it o.O`?!

http://www.amazon.de/dp/B004TPUPX4/ref=asc_df_B004TPUPX43210114?smid=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&tag=billigerde-21&linkCode=asn&creative=22494&creativeASIN=B004TPUPX4
AngryNarwhal_111
Profile Joined March 2011
United States51 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-15 01:12:57
June 15 2011 01:12 GMT
#6826
Hey guys-

Received my components yesterday and put them together today, but unfortunately it turns out my 500w power supply isn't enough for my Asus GTX 560 which requires at least 550w. I ordered a 700w modular power supply from Amazon that arrives tomorrow for ~$30 more than the 500w cost, will that be enough to power my GTX 560 and i5 2500k CPU?

Edit: A friend says that he has a power supply that I can buy from him for relatively cheap, but I don't know the wattage and can't contact him until he gets back tomorrow evening. Should I cancel my amazon order (still can for a few minutes at least), or just let it go through?
Thanks,
Narwhal
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 15 2011 01:13 GMT
#6827
500w is enough for a gtx 560 and 2500k...
AngryNarwhal_111
Profile Joined March 2011
United States51 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-15 01:17:49
June 15 2011 01:16 GMT
#6828
Not according to the box on the 560.

Edit: from the bottom of the box: "Recommended system requirements: A minimum 550w system power supply (with 12v current rating of 38A).
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
June 15 2011 01:16 GMT
#6829
If you got the CX500 V2 (or anything else skyR suggested), that can output over twice as much as you need. If it's not booting, that means that either (1) you installed it incorrectly or (2) one of the components is defective.

You should cancel the Amazon order ASAP regardless, even if you got a defective CX500 V2.
AngryNarwhal_111
Profile Joined March 2011
United States51 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-15 01:21:06
June 15 2011 01:20 GMT
#6830
So wait, even though the box says that a 550w power supply is required, my CX500 (pretty sure V2) can run both an Asus GTX 560 (new version) and a i5 2500k? It won't fry my components if I reinstall it and turn it on? I haven't tried turning it on yet.

Edit: canceled the Amazon order anyway, or at least requested a cancellation. I want to figure this shit out before I spend any more money.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
June 15 2011 01:24 GMT
#6831
On June 15 2011 10:20 AngryNarwhal_111 wrote:
So wait, even though the box says that a 550w power supply is required, my CX500 (pretty sure V2) can run both an Asus GTX 560 (new version) and a i5 2500k? It won't fry my components if I reinstall it and turn it on? I haven't tried turning it on yet.

Edit: canceled the Amazon order anyway, or at least requested a cancellation. I want to figure this shit out before I spend any more money.


It won't fry, it's a good PSU, so it would just not work under the worst case. They say that on the box because of shit PSU's and crazy computer configurations, those are total system power under worst case assumption numbers, they didn't call the psychic hotline before printing the number appropriate for your rig on the box.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-15 01:28:18
June 15 2011 01:24 GMT
#6832
A GTX 560 uses something like 180W worst case (depends on the model--many have factory overclocks) if you try to run a synthetic burn test to try to fry it intentionally. As for the i5-2500k, that's more like 65W in a similar scenario if not overclocked.

These power supplies shut off if you overload them. But that's irrelevant since it would be impossible to go over 500W with that setup (unless you short something out accidentally I guess), even if you do some hardcore overclocking backed by some liquid nitrogen canisters.

edit: and by "shut off" I mean there is a chip inside monitoring the power draw that will turn the PSU off if a certain power draw is exceeded, hopefully before bad things happen. CX series is kind of entry level, so it's not really guaranteed that the protections will kick in before things get out of spec, but it shouldn't fry your computer in general.
AngryNarwhal_111
Profile Joined March 2011
United States51 Posts
June 15 2011 01:26 GMT
#6833
Thanks guys! I'll install it again I guess and try powering it up though. Still need to figure out my OS problems though, I bought the WIndows 7 Pro upgrade but I can't DL it onto my mac to burn it onto a DVD. Any suggestions? Thanks!
Stoids
Profile Joined August 2010
United States636 Posts
June 15 2011 01:38 GMT
#6834
Build is up and running, just need to install a few drivers and I should be good to go.
*Insert Inspirational Day[9] Daily #100 Quote* | Fantasy | qxc, Brat_OK
wideye
Profile Joined June 2010
United States209 Posts
June 15 2011 02:07 GMT
#6835
hey guys quick question. hope it is acceptable for this thread. my birthday is coming up and i want to upgrade to a comp that plays sc2. i was able to use my roommate at school's comp but now i am home and freaking out with no sc2...

i want a new comp but i don't really want to go through the stress of building my own. i want to spend between 1300-1500 and play on at least medium graphics. what do you suggest? alienware? classic dell? my birthday is looming so anything really helps.

thanks.
slim pickens
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
June 15 2011 02:09 GMT
#6836
On June 15 2011 11:07 wideye wrote:
hey guys quick question. hope it is acceptable for this thread. my birthday is coming up and i want to upgrade to a comp that plays sc2. i was able to use my roommate at school's comp but now i am home and freaking out with no sc2...

i want a new comp but i don't really want to go through the stress of building my own. i want to spend between 1300-1500 and play on at least medium graphics. what do you suggest? alienware? classic dell? my birthday is looming so anything really helps.

thanks.


If you don't want to build, for the love of god don't go with either of the Dell brands. If you insist on prebuilt, order through ncix or something with assembly.
Stoids
Profile Joined August 2010
United States636 Posts
June 15 2011 02:19 GMT
#6837
On June 15 2011 11:09 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2011 11:07 wideye wrote:
hey guys quick question. hope it is acceptable for this thread. my birthday is coming up and i want to upgrade to a comp that plays sc2. i was able to use my roommate at school's comp but now i am home and freaking out with no sc2...

i want a new comp but i don't really want to go through the stress of building my own. i want to spend between 1300-1500 and play on at least medium graphics. what do you suggest? alienware? classic dell? my birthday is looming so anything really helps.

thanks.


If you don't want to build, for the love of god don't go with either of the Dell brands. If you insist on prebuilt, order through ncix or something with assembly.

I have this image of you grasping your heart after reading the word "Dell."
*Insert Inspirational Day[9] Daily #100 Quote* | Fantasy | qxc, Brat_OK
Stoids
Profile Joined August 2010
United States636 Posts
June 15 2011 03:06 GMT
#6838
So computer is up and running now. Just a quick question. What should my core temp be idle preferably? Or playing SC2 for that matter.
*Insert Inspirational Day[9] Daily #100 Quote* | Fantasy | qxc, Brat_OK
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 15 2011 03:11 GMT
#6839
On June 15 2011 12:06 Stoids wrote:
So computer is up and running now. Just a quick question. What should my core temp be idle preferably? Or playing SC2 for that matter.


Idle temperatures are dependent on ambient temperatures so it'll be different for each individual. It doesn't really matter what your idle temperatures are. Your load temperatures ideally should be under 60c for a normal load (SC2, another game, anything that isn't a stress-test).
Stoids
Profile Joined August 2010
United States636 Posts
June 15 2011 03:16 GMT
#6840
On June 15 2011 12:11 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2011 12:06 Stoids wrote:
So computer is up and running now. Just a quick question. What should my core temp be idle preferably? Or playing SC2 for that matter.


Idle temperatures are dependent on ambient temperatures so it'll be different for each individual. It doesn't really matter what your idle temperatures are. Your load temperatures ideally should be under 60c for a normal load (SC2, another game, anything that isn't a stress-test).

Awesome. I was seeing around 40-43 idle and 50ish normal load. Wanted to make sure my heat sink and everything was good. Appreciate the help as always. SC2 looks much better on extreme .
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