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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Fraggle
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway105 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-09 02:29:19
June 09 2011 02:10 GMT
#6521
Thanks alot Lee, Skyr and Myrmidon for helping me with the pc for my brother. I assembled it, and only had to take it apart once to check plugs etc, the PCI-E power cables seems to have gotten loose when i put on the side of the case, and my trying different sata ports for my 1gb, when i did something as simple as not formating it in windows setup. (I know that for next time now atleast :p )

A minor bug i encountered was that the XFX Radeon 6950 HD, the monitor would only plug to one of the two outlets on the back of it, Anyone have any idea what's the problem? I checked system settings and all components are plugged into the MB and the GFX card is recognized as the proper one. All other components are working perfectly as well. but the fact that only one of the GFX outlets don't work is bugging me, the only theory I have is that one is for monitor 1 and other is monitor 2 but no matter what I plug it into it should still be detected by the monitor no? I think it is a BENQ 2400 monitor (I am not completely sure though.)



Now for an upgrade question of my own, (Build is around 2 years old)
The components I currently have are :

MB: M4A79 Deluxe
Processor: Phenom II x3 720 BE 2.8 GHZ (Oc'ed to 3.2)
GPU: Radeon HD 4890
RAM: DDR2 800 MHZ 8gb
HD: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB
HD2: WD Caviar black 1tb(but an older version)

It may just be my imagination but games seem to go slower than before or i have to lower my graphics, to play at the same frame rate I did a year and a half ago. I recently installed W7 a month ago on a new HD i bought so i doubt it is windows. ( I updated and checked all drivers too :p

I pretty recently installed speedfan and the processor was running on 75c after playing games so i downlocked it to 3.2(had 3.4) Currently it may go up to 67-73C or so after an intensive gaming period. can it be that due to the high temperatures i get the pc downclocks or performs worse if the temperatures are too high? I found out after some googling that the max temperatures(for my processor) full load should be 75c and the absolute max temperature before it the processor gets fried was around 85c.

I am considering buying a processor cooler as I am still using the stock one that came with my processor. With a new cooler I can overclock more, and still maintain a low-ish temperature(plus i can use in on any eventual new processor I get)
I am looking at a cooler one of you guys recommended earlier

Cooler Master Hyper 212:
http://www.komplett.no/k/ki.aspx?sku=494649#extra

As I do not think it is worth to upgrade my processor to one of those Phenom II x4 processors(Think I'll wait for bulldozer and see if the prices change.

My MB can't run ddr3 ram either, so i was looking at an upgrade for my gpu but i found out that it was actually pretty good compared to the lower priced gpu's. My GPU runs at around 67-70C (during graphic intensive games)which after some googling seemed to be a pretty normal temperature, (so i don't think i have a cooling problem there) I overclocked it a bit but i seemed to get some artifacts in games(random black spots etc), so I had to lower the overclock a bit


And the last problem I currently have is that the picture kind of ''stops or lags'' for a split second even though i have 100 fps, i tried with vertical sync on and off but it still happens. I tried it also in different games) but other than those small hiccups every 5-10 seconds the game will run flawlessly. I theorized that its the fact that my windows seemed looked at 59hz and i can't change it to 60hz(my monitor is capable of 60hz)

So anything I can upgrade to that won't ruin my budget? :p Or should i just wait for the bulldozer and see how things go from there?

( I ran a Far cry2 benchmark with everything on lowest just now and i don't seem to have the stuttering problems with the screen where the image stopped for a split second. ( I recently installed my monitor drivers) So the problem may be fixed, I'll check other games though.
KO_SharpMind
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada277 Posts
June 09 2011 02:41 GMT
#6522
Hey guys, so I am planning on building my own computer for the very first time. I know how to put the parts together and what goes where, The only thing That I am worried about is applying the thermal paste correctly and attaching the cables into the proper places. Do you guys recommend any sites or videos that I could go to that explain how to build PC’s from scratch. I don’t want to make any mistakes while building it.

My budget is about $750 + or – $50

I’m going to be using this for general gaming such as SC2, blizzard games, and other games. Nothing major like large amounts of encoding or streaming, or anything like that. I will also not be needing to run SLI or crossfire.

My upgrade cycle will be about 2+ years. I might upgrade a part or two next year if I feel like it.

I also plan on building it in 2 – 3 weeks or early July

I also Plan on ordering the parts off Newegg.ca unless there are other Canadian sites that I can get cheaper parts at.

Here is what I have so far, from just trying to put something together.

DVD burner: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136236 $17.99

Case: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147153 $54.99

PSU: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171031 $49.99

Windows: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986 $109.99

HDD: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136073 $49.99

GPU: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130591 $169.99

RAM: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231276 $53.49

MOBO: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131634 $129.99

CPU: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115065 $124.99

This totals to $761.41 which is in the price range that I’m looking for.

So what I’d like to ask are ways to optimize this build. Anyway to make it better in the same price range? Is this a good and compatible build?

Thanks for your help guys !!!
Act the way you'd like to be, and soon you'll be the way you act.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-09 02:47:48
June 09 2011 02:44 GMT
#6523
Buy a $40 RAM kit without heat spreaders.

Buy an i5 2400 and H61/H67 mobo combo for only a little bit more, part of which can be offset by the $13 you're currently planning to waste on RAM. Big upgrade.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146748 $38 RAM.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.654404 $294 for a much better CPU/Mobo combo, -$15 for the RAM savings, $279, which is ~$20 more for a big upgrade.

Also, GTX 460 SE is garbage, SE is generally known as "Shit Edition".
KO_SharpMind
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada277 Posts
June 09 2011 02:52 GMT
#6524
On June 09 2011 11:44 JingleHell wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Buy a $40 RAM kit without heat spreaders.

Buy an i5 2400 and H61/H67 mobo combo for only a little bit more, part of which can be offset by the $13 you're currently planning to waste on RAM. Big upgrade.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146748 $38 RAM.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.654404 $294 for a much better CPU/Mobo combo, -$15 for the RAM savings, $279, which is ~$20 more for a big upgrade.

Also, GTX 460 SE is garbage, SE is generally known as "Shit Edition".


Oh ok, I didn't know that i'd be paying extra for the RAM just for the heat spreaders (didn't even know those were hear spreaders hehe).

Does that combo have a time limit or anything or is it available for a while?

And also is there a GPU that you recommend within that price range?

Thanks for the quick response
Act the way you'd like to be, and soon you'll be the way you act.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-09 02:59:39
June 09 2011 02:57 GMT
#6525
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102908&cm_re=hd_6850-_-14-102-908-_-Product

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/315?vs=291

The GTX 465 in that benchmark is on par/slightly better than the 460 SE you had, to give you a rough comparison on performance. Combos are generally while supplies last if they don't say otherwise.

And yeah, the RAM was pretty much brand and heatsinks for the price.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/143?vs=363

There's a comparison of a slightly slower i3 from your original list vs the CPU I linked, btw,
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-09 03:05:14
June 09 2011 03:02 GMT
#6526
@Fraggle

I'd just wait for Bulldozer but keep in mind that you'll also need a new motherboard and memory.

Are you using DVI or VGA for your monitor? I've heard about certain 6000 series cards using only one DVI-I interface while having the other one be DVI-D, not sure how much truth there is to this.

@KO_SharpMind

www.newegg.ca sucks and I cringe everytime a Canadian links me to it.

Here's a better configuration for less. Total comes to $675 before mail in rebates.

Intel Core i3 2100 @ $115 (pricematch with http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=12200BD7933 )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=58339

Gigabyte H67M D2 @ $88 ($78 after mail in rebate)
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=59419

XFX Radeon HD6850 @ $170 ($150 after mail in rebate)
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57284&promoid=1339

Coolermaster HAF 912 @ $49 (pricematch with http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/230752/COOLERMASTER/RC_912_KKN1/ )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=55583&promoid=1339

Mushkin 2x2GB 1333MHz @ $36
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=55546&promoid=1339

Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB @ $40 (pricematch with http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?&item_id=036109 )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=58402

DVD Burner @ $18 (pricematch with http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/219381/SH-S223LBEBS/Samsung/ )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=42349

Windows 7 Home Premium x64 @ $94 (pricematch with http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/222137/GFC-00599/MICROSOFT/ )
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=45271

Antec Earthwatts 650w @ $65 ($40 after mail in rebate)
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=59339&promoid=1339

Power supply is overkill but it's a killer deal that will sell out within the next day or so.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-09 03:06:12
June 09 2011 03:04 GMT
#6527
Oh, damn I totally missed the Canada thing. My bad. skyR's build is quite awesome. Don't use my links, as the shipping would wreck the point.
KO_SharpMind
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada277 Posts
June 09 2011 03:09 GMT
#6528
Holy shit, That seems like a solid build, with that Price I may just consider upping to a i5, that would be great. I'll consider buying the PSU within a day or two since it seems to be at a very good price.

I thank you guys for your help!!
Act the way you'd like to be, and soon you'll be the way you act.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-09 03:13:08
June 09 2011 03:12 GMT
#6529
Make sure you get the i5 2xxx non-K. K signifies an unlocked multiplier for overclocking, and requires a different motherboard, and the 2xxx signifies fitting the socket.

Bear in mind, going from 2 to 4 cores won't help for gaming, but will if you stream or encode video.
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
June 09 2011 03:15 GMT
#6530
With this week bad sale at NCIX...

should i just stick with

I5-2500k
and
Gigabyte Z68A-D3H-B3 ATX LGA1155 Z68 DDR3 3PCI-E16 2PCI-E1 HDMI DVI SLI SATA3 USB3.0 Motherboard

or is there a GPU that is worth my money (remember, looking to set up eventually an eyefinity)

If another board is better, lmk
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 09 2011 03:21 GMT
#6531
There's no good deals on high-end cards or motherboards at NCIX this week. There usually isn't unfortunately =\
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
June 09 2011 03:29 GMT
#6532
so just stick with the cpu/mobo combo?

Only gaming, and i think you recommended I5-2500k for its ability to OC ^^

Would a p67 be better, if i dont use the integrated GPU?

Will possibly crossfire, unless of course its not needed (i want to set up an eyefinity for BF3). If not needed, i guess i could go with a cheaper mobo
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 09 2011 03:36 GMT
#6533
The Z68 for sub $130 is a good price regardless if you want to use the IGP or not. The only full ATX p67 board that is less expensive and capable of CrossfireX would be the P67 G43.
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
June 09 2011 03:39 GMT
#6534
Some of the higher model seems to have the heatsink around the cpu socket. Does it grant any real advantage over the 'lower' z68?
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
June 09 2011 03:41 GMT
#6535
On June 09 2011 12:39 XenOmega wrote:
Some of the higher model seems to have the heatsink around the cpu socket. Does it grant any real advantage over the 'lower' z68?


Chipset cooling is generally a bit nitpicky of a detail, and more relevant with big OC's.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 09 2011 03:41 GMT
#6536
Heatsinks keep the mosfets cool so you can achieve a higher overclock.
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
June 09 2011 03:48 GMT
#6537
Alright,

so is the
MSI P67A-G43 (B3) P67 ATX LGA1155 DDR3 2PCI-E16 3PCI-E 2PCI CrossFireX SATA3 USB3 Mot @ 124 - 15$ mir = 109$
the best choice over

Gigabyte Z68A-D3H-B3 ATX LGA1155 Z68 DDR3 3PCI-E16 2PCI-E1 HDMI DVI SLI SATA3 USB3.0 Motherboard @ around 130$

considering that :
I have no intention of using the integrated GPU (still have my 5770 and will evolve to 6xxx when i can)
I have no intention of using a SSD anytime soon (it would appear that Z68 has something that the other model does not with SSD cache or something.... read this on wiki)
And I want to save as much as possible, while not sacrificing quality

ty!
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 09 2011 03:54 GMT
#6538
Yes, the G43 would be the best option.
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
June 09 2011 04:07 GMT
#6539
Ty skyr and everyone. Much much appreciated ^^

Now the question is : Asus vh236h at 159$ + 20 mir for 139 = good deal or not. ^^
uNtrue_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States150 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-09 06:26:16
June 09 2011 06:10 GMT
#6540
Hi, this is my first time building a PC as well. I took one of my friend's build as an example and had to find some new parts since some of the parts stopped selling.

I believe the build is about $1100. I'm looking to lower this price if possible. I'm looking to build a strong, fast computer but if I can save a bit of money for efficiency, I'm open to it. My plan is to stream my games and have the ability to play at pretty high graphics.

A few things I immediately need feedback on is
-Whether or not i7 is worth it for $40~ bucks more than the i5 I chose.
-I don't know much about SSDs and I picked one in the link, but I don't know if it's a great choice or not.

Here is a quick summary of my parts:
CPU: i7 950 3.06 GHz
or i5-2500k 3.3 GHz (3.7 GHz Turbo Boost)
GPU: Sapphire Radeon HD 6870, 1 Gb 256-bit GDDR5
MOBO: EVGA 131-GT-E767-TR
HD1: 1 TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0 Gb/s
HD2: OCZ Agility 2, 90 Gb SATA 2 Solid State Drive
RAM: 6 Gb DDR3 1600
PSU: RGS RG630-S12 630W
Case: Rosewill Armor ATX

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115211
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072

GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102909

MOBO: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188068

HD 1: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148433

SSD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227604

PWR: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182200

RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104118

Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147047

Any other feedback or suggestions or help you can give me would be fantastic! I'll try to read more into PC building before I actually purchase these items.

I'll update this post as I make changes.
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