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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Uhh Negative
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1090 Posts
April 14 2011 04:43 GMT
#4281
I'm thinking about building a computer this summer, and right now I'm trying to figure out if the monitor I have right now is compatible/a good option, or if I'm going to need to buy another one. It's a Viewsonic VX2260wm.

http://www.viewsonic.com/products/desktop-monitors/lcd/x-series/vx2260wm.htm

I think it probably should be fine.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 14 2011 04:45 GMT
#4282
Yes, it will be compatible.
Leeto
Profile Joined August 2007
United States1320 Posts
April 14 2011 05:57 GMT
#4283
Quick question:

What's the difference between these two video cards? Are there any advantages to one over the other?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125363

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127565
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 06:23:24
April 14 2011 06:23 GMT
#4284
Gigabyte card is clocked slightly higher and comes with a full three year parts & labour warranty as opposed to MSI's three / two year warranty. Both are equipped with good heatsinks.

It comes down to the price and which brand you prefer / had a better experience with.
dandan23
Profile Joined October 2010
Malaysia101 Posts
April 14 2011 11:24 GMT
#4285
Thx SkyR and Myrm for helping people out..

No matter how much i read up about motherboards i really cant get the hang of it..
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007627&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&ActiveSearchResult=True&CompareItemList=280|13-130-574^13-130-574-TS,13-131-703^13-131-703-TS,13-128-478^13-128-478-TS,13-131-705^13-131-705-TS,13-128-477^13-128-477-TS

Price wouldnt matter as much here in Malaysia because prices here is a total mess (Asus>Gigabyte>MSI in prices)

which do u recommend ?
Using Intel i5-2500k OC
Vertex 3 120 GB x 2 ( Raid 0 ) or Vertex 3 240 GB x 1 (Trim)
Hoping to run full speed on SSD using the motherboards above ( I dont have a SATA Controler to run at full speed , therefore im hoping the motherboards can make run it at max for me)

and I know previous chats skyR mentioning that a dedicated sound card could be providing very little benefits from it.. but i have 1 sound card in mind..
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=29395&vpn=XONAR DX&manufacture=ASUS
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=39269&vpn=Xonar D1&manufacture=ASUS

Do u recommend this ? If so.. Since both is exactly the same Should i get the PCI-E or the PCI one? Which would be slightly more futureproof ?

Lastly The GTX580 comparisons..
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007709 600094002&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&CompareItemList=48|14-130-590^14-130-590-TS,14-121-429^14-121-429-TS,14-125-364^14-125-364-TS,14-127-579^14-127-579-TS

As Warranty do not matter as much for me..

Thank you for your time..=)
TeamLiquid Fighting!! =3
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 13:56:32
April 14 2011 13:55 GMT
#4286
So I've finally had some money come through and am looking to buy/build a new PC ASAP, that won't be doing anything more stressful than playing SC2 and some poker. Budget's around £400, would likely be playing on 1680x1050 (have an existing 22" that I'll be using) and don't plan on upgrading beyond this for a while (existing PC is six years old, go figure) or overclocking. Right now I'm looking at something like:

RAM: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/247673 £40
Win7: £70 anywhere
PSU: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/245675 £30
HDD: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/167819 £30
Case: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/127584 £30

which leaves £200 for CPU/mobo/GPU which I really don't have a clue about. Not fussed about running on ultra, probably medium or high if possible. What'd be the best value, I was looking at something like a lower end Phenom 2 or i3 and then whatever GPU I can afford with what's left (4650?).

That said, I'd prefer not to build if someone knows of a decent UK-based supplier that can put something like this together to order (would just buy off the shelf if I could find something that didn't either cut huge corners on ram/gpu or overkill on everything else that I don't need). Thanks in advance and sorry if it's a bit of an open-ended question

edit - wrong ram listed, correct now
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mdma-_-
Profile Joined October 2010
Nauru1213 Posts
April 14 2011 14:04 GMT
#4287
Hey,
it looks like I'll need to get a new computer and as I'm a total noob regarding anything building-computers related I thought I'd ask here

What is your budget?
about 500 Euros

What is your resolution?

I'm completly fine with 1280x1024

What are you using it for?
mainly gaming. Should be able to run sc2 smoothly.

What is your upgrade cycle?

around 2 years

When do you plan on building it?
As soon as possible

Do you plan on overclocking?
No

Do you need an Operating System?
Yes. It'll cost 79,90 Euro

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No

Where are you buying your parts from?
I'd prefer http://www.hardwareversand.de

Thanks in advance
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 15:39:43
April 14 2011 15:38 GMT
#4288
On April 14 2011 22:55 sixfour wrote:
So I've finally had some money come through and am looking to buy/build a new PC ASAP, that won't be doing anything more stressful than playing SC2 and some poker. Budget's around £400, would likely be playing on 1680x1050 (have an existing 22" that I'll be using) and don't plan on upgrading beyond this for a while (existing PC is six years old, go figure) or overclocking. Right now I'm looking at something like:

RAM: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/247673 £40
Win7: £70 anywhere
PSU: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/245675 £30
HDD: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/167819 £30
Case: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/127584 £30

which leaves £200 for CPU/mobo/GPU which I really don't have a clue about. Not fussed about running on ultra, probably medium or high if possible. What'd be the best value, I was looking at something like a lower end Phenom 2 or i3 and then whatever GPU I can afford with what's left (4650?).

That said, I'd prefer not to build if someone knows of a decent UK-based supplier that can put something like this together to order (would just buy off the shelf if I could find something that didn't either cut huge corners on ram/gpu or overkill on everything else that I don't need). Thanks in advance and sorry if it's a bit of an open-ended question

edit - wrong ram listed, correct now


from what ive seen of most uk stores, they offer preselected components on preselected systems ... and usually end up costing a bit more. also, not too good systems in your budget range. i haven't seen a site that offers a straight up "buid whats in my cart" type of deal ... that being said, im sure there's lots of UK sites i dont know about and maybe someone else can help you with that.

in regard to ebuyer though,

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/254976
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/261352
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/234976
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/264381
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/146252
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/238443
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/259863
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/233665

+ Show Spoiler +
Intel Core i3 2100 3.10GHz Socket 1155 3MB L3 Cache Retail Boxed Processor
Gigabyte GA-P61-USB3-B3 H61 Socket 1155 7.1 Channel HD Audio ATX Motherboard
Kingston 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1333MHz HyperX Blu Memory Kit CL9 1.5V Non-ECC Unbuffered
XFX Core Edition PRO450W - Power supply ( internal ) - ATX12V 2.2/ EPS12V 2.91 - AC 100-240 V - 450 Watt - active PFC
Coolermaster Elite 342 Black Micro ATX Case - No PSU
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium w/SP1 - Licence and media - 1 PC - OEM - DVD - 64-bit - English
Samsung SpinPoint F3 500GB Hard Drive SATAII 7200rpm 16MB Cache - OEM
Palit GTS 450 SONIC OC 1024MB GDDR5 Dual DVI VGA HDMI Out PCI-E Graphics Card


£470 w/ free shipping
starleague forever
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
April 14 2011 15:54 GMT
#4289
@mdma

Athlon II X3 450
MSI 870-C45
4GB Crucial RAM
Xigmatek Asgard III
SF Amazon 450W
DVD RW
Spinpoint F3 500GB
Windows 7
Sapphire HD 6850

Comes to €488.39

Shipping is €4 to germany AFAIK, but I'm not 100% sure on that.
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
April 14 2011 15:59 GMT
#4290
On April 14 2011 23:04 mdma-_- wrote:
Hey,
it looks like I'll need to get a new computer and as I'm a total noob regarding anything building-computers related I thought I'd ask here

What is your budget?
about 500 Euros

What is your resolution?

I'm completly fine with 1280x1024

What are you using it for?
mainly gaming. Should be able to run sc2 smoothly.

What is your upgrade cycle?

around 2 years

When do you plan on building it?
As soon as possible

Do you plan on overclocking?
No

Do you need an Operating System?
Yes. It'll cost 79,90 Euro

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No

Where are you buying your parts from?
I'd prefer http://www.hardwareversand.de

Thanks in advance


http://www4.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=41220&agid=1617
http://www4.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=44937&agid=1603
http://www4.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=44944&agid=699
http://www4.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=28151&agid=689
http://www4.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=44317&agid=1192
http://www4.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=45927&agid=631
http://www4.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=38248&agid=707
http://www4.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=28239&agid=185

+ Show Spoiler +
Intel Core i3-2100 Box, LGA1155
MSI H67MA-E35 (B3), Intel H67, mATX, DDR3
LiteOn iHAS124-19 schwarz SATA
Samsung SpinPoint F3 500GB, SATA II (HD502HJ)
4GB-Kit G.Skill RipJaws-X PC3-10667U CL7
Special item: Cooler Master Elite RC-334 schwarz, ohne Netzteil
EVGA GeForce GTS 450 - SC, 1024MB DDR5, PCI-Express
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit (SB-Version)


470,34 €

The only thing that's missing is a PSU, i'm not too familiar with the brands offered at this store, perhaps someone else can help recommend one
starleague forever
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 16:06:10
April 14 2011 16:04 GMT
#4291
On April 15 2011 00:59 a176 wrote:
The only thing that's missing is a PSU, i'm not too familiar with the brands offered at this store, perhaps someone else can help recommend one


The SuperFlower Amazons are pretty much the best value for money. 80+ Bronze, quiet and cheap. You can check out this review of the 650W version.
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 16:24:54
April 14 2011 16:18 GMT
#4292
On April 14 2011 20:24 dandan23 wrote:
Thx SkyR and Myrm for helping people out..

No matter how much i read up about motherboards i really cant get the hang of it..
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007627&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&ActiveSearchResult=True&CompareItemList=280|13-130-574^13-130-574-TS,13-131-703^13-131-703-TS,13-128-478^13-128-478-TS,13-131-705^13-131-705-TS,13-128-477^13-128-477-TS

Price wouldnt matter as much here in Malaysia because prices here is a total mess (Asus>Gigabyte>MSI in prices)

which do u recommend ?
Using Intel i5-2500k OC
Vertex 3 120 GB x 2 ( Raid 0 ) or Vertex 3 240 GB x 1 (Trim)
Hoping to run full speed on SSD using the motherboards above ( I dont have a SATA Controler to run at full speed , therefore im hoping the motherboards can make run it at max for me)

and I know previous chats skyR mentioning that a dedicated sound card could be providing very little benefits from it.. but i have 1 sound card in mind..
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=29395&vpn=XONAR DX&manufacture=ASUS
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=39269&vpn=Xonar D1&manufacture=ASUS

Do u recommend this ? If so.. Since both is exactly the same Should i get the PCI-E or the PCI one? Which would be slightly more futureproof ?

Lastly The GTX580 comparisons..
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007709 600094002&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&CompareItemList=48|14-130-590^14-130-590-TS,14-121-429^14-121-429-TS,14-125-364^14-125-364-TS,14-127-579^14-127-579-TS

As Warranty do not matter as much for me..

Thank you for your time..=)


indeed, all those products are good choices, for us here, it will just boil down to personal preference

for the video cards ... boils down to warranties. evga offers lifetime.

for motherboards, probably the P8P67.

for the xonar, they are the same card, just different slot interface ... depends where in your case you want to put it

starleague forever
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 16:48:18
April 14 2011 16:36 GMT
#4293
@dandan23

ASUS and MSI both use UEFI (graphical BIOS and ability to use mouse) while Gigabyte still uses the old BIOS.

The P8P67 Standard and UD3P does not offer SLI while the rest do.

All the boards except the GD65 has 12 phase power.

Gigabyte has dual BIOS on all their P67-UD boards and more USB ports (ten as opposed to six/eight I think). However, only six SATA ports as opposed to eight offered by ASUS and MSI.

All the listed motherboards have at least two SATA 3 ports so the Vertex 3 will be running at its full speed on any of these boards.

Both of the sound cards are identical except for the interface so get one that will be better suited for your selected motherboard. There's going to be more PCI-E slots on motherboards in the future for sure but the PCI slot isn't going away anytime soon.

The MSI GTX 580 is the best of the options listed there imo. It has a custom PCB, clocked the fastest, and has a very good heatsink. Here's a unboxing of it: + Show Spoiler +
mdma-_-
Profile Joined October 2010
Nauru1213 Posts
April 14 2011 17:01 GMT
#4294
@a176 and deconduo
thx a lot for the help
crespo
Profile Joined February 2011
United States16 Posts
April 14 2011 17:45 GMT
#4295
hello, first time TL poster here, I don't usually have much to post about SC2 wise but I have spent a lot of time browsing this thread as well as the Building a Budget Gaming PC thread. I've done a ton of research but there are a few things in the build I'm putting together that I am not sure on. Any help would be much appreciated. These parts aren't going to be the best of the best, as this is a budget build, so please let me know if I should go over to the other thread.

AMD Phenom II X2 555
ASRock AMD 770
GSKILL 4GB
NZXT GAMMA case
GIGABYTE Radeon HD 5670
Antec EarthWatts 380w
Caviar 360GB HDD

Basically I'm trying to get the most bang for my buck. I don't have a high budget, but I'm not trying to find the cheapest parts and really knock off as much money as possible. I would say around $300-$400. I'd just like something that will run SC2/D3 very well. My upgrade cycle is probably about 2-2.5 years. The resolution I want is 1650x1080, as I already have a monitor. I'm not going to be overclocking, and obviously I'd prefer to buy my parts from newegg unless a better deal is clearly shown. I've already got a copy of Windows 7 ready to go so that's not an issue right now. Also, I'd like to stick with AMD.

Pretty much I'm just not sure on two things. The power supply and the GPU. I know Antec is quality, but will 380W be enough for what I listed? And GPU wise I'm not sure if that card is, like I said, giving me the most bang for my buck. I'd like to keep the GPU cost around or preferably below $100 dollars if possible. But I don't mind sacrificing other parts to get a better GPU, as this is a semi-gaming machine I understand that is important.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 18:01:31
April 14 2011 18:00 GMT
#4296
@crespo

A 2x2gb 1333MHz RAM kit can be had for $40: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148262 There is no point in paying for a premium in RAM if you are on such a tight budget. The performance between 1333MHz and 1600MHz is very minimal, see here: http://techreport.com/articles.x/20377

The 4850 a better performing graphics card than the 5670 for under $100: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150482

You may also want to try to unlock your Phenom II X2 to a X4. Here's a guide for it if you're interested: http://www.overclock.net/amd-cpus/535501-official-amd-k10-5-core-cache.html

The 380w Earthwatts has 28a on the 12v rail so yes it is more than capable of handling this configuration despite what other ignorant posters say on this forum.
crespo
Profile Joined February 2011
United States16 Posts
April 14 2011 18:05 GMT
#4297
Thanks for the quick response. If I end up unlocking to 4 cores do you recommend a different cooler or would I be able to get by with the stock heatsink+fan?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 14 2011 18:08 GMT
#4298
Yes, the stock heatsink provided should be adequate if you are not overclocking.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
April 14 2011 18:22 GMT
#4299
I'm not so sure. Don't the quad core Phenom II Black Editions have a different (better) stock heatsink?

I think the stock heatsink you're getting may not be sufficient at full load if all cores unlock, especially if you have to increase voltage to make them stable.
nastyndog
Profile Joined January 2011
United States43 Posts
April 14 2011 18:24 GMT
#4300
@ Crespo as well

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3902/antec-earthwatts-ea-380d-green-380w/9

good to go. I would get a more powerful supply for myself but thats just me being me. that one will work well.

And until recently i used a 512 mb 4850 and it worked pretty well as long as you weren't trying to go balls out with the graphics. And i play at 1920 x 1080, with a lower resolution you will be very happy.
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