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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
ensign_lee
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1178 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 16:07:45
April 15 2011 16:07 GMT
#4321
On April 16 2011 00:23 Leeto wrote:
I'm looking for an SSD (around 60-80 gb) to use as a boot drive and for my main applications like SC2 and matlab and stuff. From reading the reviews, it seems like a lot of them are failing within weeks to a few months.
Can someone recommend me any specific ones that are reliable and will last at least 2 years?


I'm pretty happy with my 120GB C300 . Th 60GB one should work just as well, and is a fair bit cheaper.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
April 15 2011 16:07 GMT
#4322
The only SSD to really avoid are the ones that use the JMicron JMF602 controller. Other than that, not really, the ones that are actually terrible aren't really being sold anymore.

If you want best reliability, its definitely Intel. It isn't surprising since they have their own fabrication plants, which also happen to be some of the best in the world, so they get to pick out the good NAND chips for their own SSDs and then sell the lesser quality NAND chips to other SSD manufacturers.
NinjoOb
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada128 Posts
April 15 2011 16:19 GMT
#4323
Hello again, I have put everything in the case and I just need to wire all the parts together, but before I attempt to do that I wanted to post a few pictures and ask if it looks ok so far.

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http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/l562/joob1/IMG_0180.jpg?t=1302883584
http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/l562/joob1/IMG_0179.jpg?t=1302883586
http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/l562/joob1/IMG_0178.jpg?t=1302883587
http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/l562/joob1/IMG_0177.jpg?t=1302883588
http://i1124.photobucket.com/albums/l562/joob1/IMG_0181.jpg?t=1302883590


Now for the wiring, I'm kinda clueless. Could anyone give me a brief rundown of what needs to be plugged into what. The instruction manuals are quite basic to say the least. For example, there seems to be holes for power supply cords on the gpu, but the instructions don't mention anything about it. There's also a blue plastic cover (that you can see in two of the pictures) over some pins that I don't know what to do about.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Legatus Lanius
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2135 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 16:50:05
April 15 2011 16:49 GMT
#4324
power supply 24pin needs to plug into the motherboard
power supply 8pin needs to plug into the motherboard
power supply 6pin / 6+2 pin needs to be plugged into the graphics card (depends on ur card)
power supply sata cables need to be plugged into hdd/dvd drive/ssd etc

hdd/ssd thingy cables need to be plugged into the motherboard
dvd sata thingy need to be plugged into the motherboard

front panel cables should have labels on the motherboard

maybe ive missed some, try this:

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.Mystic
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada486 Posts
April 15 2011 16:59 GMT
#4325
hey ive been reading up computer parts before building my comp but whats the difference in the parts for lets say if i wanted to build a comp to stream or if it was to play on ultra graphics on sc2. Like would the graphics card differ and how? remind u im on a 500 budget
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 15 2011 17:07 GMT
#4326
On April 16 2011 01:59 HCmystic wrote:
hey ive been reading up computer parts before building my comp but whats the difference in the parts for lets say if i wanted to build a comp to stream or if it was to play on ultra graphics on sc2. Like would the graphics card differ and how? remind u im on a 500 budget


If you want to stream, you would want a quad core since the task is more dependent on the CPU. If you want to play on ultra at 1920x1080, you'll want at least a graphics card in the $130+ range (ex. gtx 460 768mb). With a $500 budget, you'll not going to be able to do both.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 17:15:21
April 15 2011 17:12 GMT
#4327
On April 16 2011 01:07 Womwomwom wrote:
The only SSD to really avoid are the ones that use the JMicron JMF602 controller. Other than that, not really, the ones that are actually terrible aren't really being sold anymore.

If you want best reliability, its definitely Intel. It isn't surprising since they have their own fabrication plants, which also happen to be some of the best in the world, so they get to pick out the good NAND chips for their own SSDs and then sell the lesser quality NAND chips to other SSD manufacturers.


Aren't the NAND chips usually not the cause for failure though? Also, the plants producing that NAND are part of the Intel/Micron joint venture (IMFT), so Micron (Crucial) should be getting the same stuff.

I think the claim is that it's Intel's firmware (and testing, and maybe their controller, though 510 series are using the Micron controller that's used in the Crucial C300/C400 and Corsair Performance 3) that are more reliable.

Really, most SSDs should be lasting two years easily--you just hear about dissatisfied customers that get unlucky, for the most part. If those hardware.fr figures are to be believed, there's around a 2.5% yearly failure rate for most companies selling SSDs, except Intel, which has around 0.6%:
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/810-6/taux-pannes-composants.html

Intel 320 series should probably have the lowest failure rate. They're using the same controller that was used for the X25-M G2, just with different firmware for performance improvements and supposedly reliability improvements as well:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4244/intel-ssd-320-review

There's a 80GB version.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 17:36:52
April 15 2011 17:35 GMT
#4328
On April 16 2011 01:19 NinjoOb wrote:
For example, there seems to be holes for power supply cords on the gpu, but the instructions don't mention anything about it. There's also a blue plastic cover (that you can see in two of the pictures) over some pins that I don't know what to do about.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.


That connector is for SLI so you don't have to worry about it yet but you should remove the blue plastic cover though.

Legatus Lanius covered the plugging in part. You'll also want to connect the fans to the molex connectors.
iStarKraft
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom79 Posts
April 15 2011 17:36 GMT
#4329
I've found the website Novatech to be excellent for value in PCs, peripherals and components etc. Their site is definitely worth a look for people living in the UK.

OMG LINKS ARE SO COOL
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ForgottenOne
Profile Joined August 2010
Romania236 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 19:09:03
April 15 2011 19:08 GMT
#4330
Hello!

So I made my build, installed Windows 7 Ultimate, installed all the drivers that came with the components.

Plugged my BenQ FP222W monitor (which is older) in and Windows doesn't recognize it.
It tells me it's a Generic PnP Monitor and it doesn't let me to use the native 1680x1050 resolution. I updated to the last version of drivers and still doesn't let me.

I downloaded the proper driver.

From Device Manager => Manual Install => Select the new drivers => Windows 7 will tell me the drivers ARE UP TO DATE... and won't install the drivers I actually want.

Tried many variations, wasted a couple of hours on the Internet trying to find ways to force Windows to install my driver. It doesn't work. Right on the .inf file => Install => This .inf can't be installed this way.

Uninstalled the driver, Rolled back the driver. Still same problem. Windows believes the already installed driver is the last version and won't install other.

Please help!
Born free, as free as the wind blows...
Umilard
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden38 Posts
April 15 2011 19:45 GMT
#4331
On April 16 2011 04:08 ForgottenOne wrote:
Hello!

So I made my build, installed Windows 7 Ultimate, installed all the drivers that came with the components.

Plugged my BenQ FP222W monitor (which is older) in and Windows doesn't recognize it.
It tells me it's a Generic PnP Monitor and it doesn't let me to use the native 1680x1050 resolution. I updated to the last version of drivers and still doesn't let me.

I downloaded the proper driver.

From Device Manager => Manual Install => Select the new drivers => Windows 7 will tell me the drivers ARE UP TO DATE... and won't install the drivers I actually want.

Tried many variations, wasted a couple of hours on the Internet trying to find ways to force Windows to install my driver. It doesn't work. Right on the .inf file => Install => This .inf can't be installed this way.

Uninstalled the driver, Rolled back the driver. Still same problem. Windows believes the already installed driver is the last version and won't install other.

Please help!


Go into properties on the Generic PnP monitor from the device manager and choose update driver => Driver that's already on the computer => Choose from a list of drivers already on the computer => Disc available => Browse for the inf-file and it should work.

I have swedish windows 7 so my translation of the menus might not the 100% but i think that should do it.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 15 2011 19:50 GMT
#4332
@ForgottenOne

You need to download the Vista monitor drivers: ftp://ftp.benq-eu.com/monitor/lcd/drivers/fp222w/lcd_monitor_dr_fp222w_vista.zip
ForgottenOne
Profile Joined August 2010
Romania236 Posts
April 15 2011 19:56 GMT
#4333
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 16 2011 04:08 ForgottenOne wrote:
Hello!

So I made my build, installed Windows 7 Ultimate, installed all the drivers that came with the components.

Plugged my BenQ FP222W monitor (which is older) in and Windows doesn't recognize it.
It tells me it's a Generic PnP Monitor and it doesn't let me to use the native 1680x1050 resolution. I updated to the last version of drivers and still doesn't let me.

I downloaded the proper driver.

From Device Manager => Manual Install => Select the new drivers => Windows 7 will tell me the drivers ARE UP TO DATE... and won't install the drivers I actually want.

Tried many variations, wasted a couple of hours on the Internet trying to find ways to force Windows to install my driver. It doesn't work. Right on the .inf file => Install => This .inf can't be installed this way.

Uninstalled the driver, Rolled back the driver. Still same problem. Windows believes the already installed driver is the last version and won't install other.

Please help!



Managed to manually install the driver.
The driver is for Vista and Windows 7 but it still doesn't work. So I'm stuck @1440x900.

Well, I guess Windows 7 doesn't properly support my Monitor. Yeah, the one every other os I have tried, supports. Nope, not even with their own driver.

It doesn't matter anymore. I've chilled now... because I can.
Born free, as free as the wind blows...
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 15 2011 20:02 GMT
#4334
You have the graphics card driver installed correct and have checked that the refresh rate is set to 60Hz?
ForgottenOne
Profile Joined August 2010
Romania236 Posts
April 15 2011 20:22 GMT
#4335
@skyR

Yes, the Graphics Card is perfectly fine and well installed. I played SC2 on Ultra @100 fps. (I made the initial install at work with other monitor because I had to sync and backup some stuff)

The refresh rate is set to 60 Hz.

P.S. I have the MSI ATI Radeon 6950.
Born free, as free as the wind blows...
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 15 2011 20:24 GMT
#4336
Have you tried going into the Catalyst Control Center and just creating a custom resolution for 1680x1050?
ForgottenOne
Profile Joined August 2010
Romania236 Posts
April 15 2011 21:20 GMT
#4337
Yes. At first I made such that I may have that as max resolution. But it didn't actually let me to use it - kept ignoring me.

After installing the driver I got many resolutions and selected that => got reset to 30 Hz. Changed to 60 Hz => Apply => Black Screen (Resolution Not Supported / Out of range). I'm smart so: TAB => SPACE => Resolution Accepted probably cause I remained at the same black screen. Reboot => Resolution out of range.

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Several restarts and safe modes could not fix it => Uninstalled the graphics card driver (because on safe mode the system would not acknowledge I have a display) => Rebooted. Now I don't have the Graphics card driver installed and I'm tired after 4 hours of struggle. I messed up my Friday evening so I give up (considering that my driver dvd's are at work).

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Dog day...

I wake up from a terrible terrible night mare. It's 90 minutes before my usual wake up time so I go sleep a little more while sensing that today will be a terrible day. I wake up a little later than usual and my morning routine delays me longer.

I take a cab and the driver totally messes my order. I kinda realize but fail to drive him on the right way; it seems he doesn't know where I want to get or how to get there, although there are only a couple of quite straight routes. But I don't react in time to let him know and he takes a way longer route. I explain him again then I see him going on the band on the right which means turn right when I need left but fail to tell him in time. I'm so late for work.

I'm already behind schedule with the project and I need to make a patch today. I make it rather fast and it looks good. Then the project manager comes along and throws a couple more tasks on me, which is ok. But then I see an email I missed; some more things to put in the patch and I realize a design issue will prevent me from having the flexibility noted in this email. I work like a dog for hours; only the mint tea warms my heart.

I buy a sandwich for the afternoon meal. I eat it and it's so good I immediately regret I didn't buy the bigger one.

It's close to leaving home so I call my girlfriend. She doesn't answer. Call her again when I leave work. We cannot see each other today. I'm thinking tomorrow and Sunday I will be on a stupid trip to visit some relatives. I love them but that village is stuck in the Stone Age.

I have my new computer home, brought there in the morning at 2 am when I finished work yesterday. Newly installed, ready to plug in into my monitor and keyboard and mouse and headset. Then play SC and other games. It's my only consolation to a hard day.

But the display is not properly recognized and I go through 4 hours of restarts and installs and desperation.

The only consolation at the end is freshly backed bread with seeds eaten with mortadella, gorgonzolla and ice cold green tea. Then a couple of kinder maxi king. And Liquid`Ret and chillin'...

And thank you, skyR, for your hard work and tireless advice!
(even if today it may not be enough, or it may be too late)
Born free, as free as the wind blows...
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 15 2011 22:56 GMT
#4338
When you feel like tackling the problem again, you can try this: http://nookkin.com/content/allowing-any-screen-resolution-on-vista.php
Anjuu
Profile Joined August 2010
United States57 Posts
April 15 2011 22:58 GMT
#4339
For monitors I've found I definitely like the colors better in the LED backlit LCDs over normal LCDs. I'm noticing most in my price range are 5ms. There are some that are higher than I want to pay at 2ms. Will I notice this? Does this impact SC2 much/at all?
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 15 2011 23:01 GMT
#4340
Refresh rate on modern monitors should not be a problem. You'll going to have a hard time telling the difference between 2ms and 5ms.
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