EPTeven though... i seriously doubt you would want a case like this unless you're watercooling 4 gpu's and 2 cpu and otehr stuff i can't even think of and spending over 10k on the whole build (but i do really like the merlin ST10)
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Rachnar
France1526 Posts
even though... i seriously doubt you would want a case like this unless you're watercooling 4 gpu's and 2 cpu and otehr stuff i can't even think of and spending over 10k on the whole build (but i do really like the merlin ST10) | ||
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llIH
Norway2144 Posts
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Jason1337
United Kingdom22 Posts
Im abit of a computer noob but was wondering what motherboard and graphics cards to get for running sc2 & hots really smoothly. I've got - Screen 1920x1080 - AMD phatom quad core 3.4 ghz CPU (http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Product/42314/AMD-CPU-AM3-Phenom-II-x4-965-Quad-Core-Black) - 8 gb ram DDR3-1600 PC3-12800 4096mbx2 - Intel X25-M Sata SSD 120gb Was going to upgrade my motherboard from Asrock N68C (because its garbish) http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Product/47046/Asrock-motherboard-N68C-S-UCC-AMD-AM3-AM2--DDR3 to Gigabyte motherboard 970A-DS3 AM3 AM3+ DDR3 ATX http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Product/54193/Gigabyte-motherboard-970A-DS3-AM3-AM3--DDR3-ATX and Graphics card from ATi Radeon HD 5670 1GB GDDR5 http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Product/44828/Sapphire-ATi-Radeon-HD-5670-1GB-GDDR5-PCI-E-2-1 to NVIDIA - GeForce GTX 550 Ti 1GB GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 Graphics Card Just wondering if the people that know about this stuff can see any problems with this, before i buy. Thank you very much!! | ||
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Wabbit
United States1028 Posts
On January 23 2013 17:19 skyR wrote: + Show Spoiler + There's still a few more months until the GTX 700 series so not sure why you're waiting on this and not Haswell as well. You also need to be specific when you are seeking purchasing advice as there's more than a dozen Asrock LGA 1155 boards, Corsair Vengeance, and so on. Otherwise, our advice sort of doesn't matter. You're spending $300 on a case, $400 on the GPU, paying premium for Corsair Vengeance, and a 840 Pro. Surely, you can spare $1000 on a good monitor. A monitor is much more significant than a case so If you can't then maybe you need to reconsider your priorities and reallocate your budget properly? As for the monitor, the Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM, U2711, U2410, and ASUS P248Q would be some options to consider. What is wrong with his choice of the XL2420T that you think he should reconsider it? Maybe the guy wants 120Hz. Even so, for anyone not needing wide gamut (if you have to ask, you don't and it's bad for you) I don't see why the U2711 or U2410 would be worth considering at all. There are better 27 inchers (U2713HM as you said, Asus PB278Q, Viewsonic vp2770-led) and better 24 inchers (Asus PA248Q as you said, and the U2412M) | ||
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baoluvboa
743 Posts
On January 24 2013 02:00 Jason1337 wrote: Hi guy Im abit of a computer noob but was wondering what motherboard and graphics cards to get for running sc2 & hots really smoothly. I've got - Screen 1920x1080 - AMD phatom quad core 3.4 ghz CPU (http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Product/42314/AMD-CPU-AM3-Phenom-II-x4-965-Quad-Core-Black) - 8 gb ram DDR3-1600 PC3-12800 4096mbx2 - Intel X25-M Sata SSD 120gb Was going to upgrade my motherboard from Asrock N68C (because its garbish) http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Product/47046/Asrock-motherboard-N68C-S-UCC-AMD-AM3-AM2--DDR3 to Gigabyte motherboard 970A-DS3 AM3 AM3+ DDR3 ATX http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Product/54193/Gigabyte-motherboard-970A-DS3-AM3-AM3--DDR3-ATX and Graphics card from ATi Radeon HD 5670 1GB GDDR5 http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Product/44828/Sapphire-ATi-Radeon-HD-5670-1GB-GDDR5-PCI-E-2-1 to NVIDIA - GeForce GTX 550 Ti 1GB GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 Graphics Card Just wondering if the people that know about this stuff can see any problems with this, before i buy. Thank you very much!! I think most people here would recommend that if you are going to get a new motherboard, might as well get an intel based system for future proofing. The i5-3570k is amazing compared to any AMD based cpu and since sc2 is very cpu heavy, you can afford not to buy a new gpu. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On January 24 2013 02:28 Wabbit wrote: What is wrong with his choice of the XL2420T that you think he should reconsider it? Maybe the guy wants 120Hz. Even so, for anyone not needing wide gamut (if you have to ask, you don't and it's bad for you) I don't see why the U2711 or U2410 would be worth considering at all. There are better 27 inchers (U2713HM as you said, Asus PB278Q, Viewsonic vp2770-led) and better 24 inchers (Asus PA248Q as you said, and the U2412M) I never said anything about reconsider a XL2420T ... he was asking for a second monitor was he not? -_- | ||
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Wabbit
United States1028 Posts
On January 24 2013 03:56 skyR wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 24 2013 02:28 Wabbit wrote: What is wrong with his choice of the XL2420T that you think he should reconsider it? Maybe the guy wants 120Hz. Even so, for anyone not needing wide gamut (if you have to ask, you don't and it's bad for you) I don't see why the U2711 or U2410 would be worth considering at all. There are better 27 inchers (U2713HM as you said, Asus PB278Q, Viewsonic vp2770-led) and better 24 inchers (Asus PA248Q as you said, and the U2412M) I never said anything about reconsider a XL2420T ... he was asking for a second monitor was he not? -_- Sorry, missed that, even though I read that post like 3 times trying to make sense of it all. | ||
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Craton
United States17274 Posts
On January 24 2013 01:35 KAB00000000M wrote: Caselabs are extreme overkill if you want a pc for SC2. I don't play SC2  .On January 24 2013 00:37 Rachnar wrote: for huge cases, you might wanna look here : http://caselabs-store.com/ even though... i seriously doubt you would want a case like this unless you're watercooling 4 gpu's and 2 cpu and otehr stuff i can't even think of and spending over 10k on the whole build (but i do really like the merlin ST10) I dunno where you're pulling 10k from. You can do a quad card with dual radiator watercooling for ~3k. The high end monitors could bring it up to 4k, maybe 5k if you're getting several of them (at like $750 a monitor, though I don't know why you'd need several of them). What would you do with the other 5k? I guess you could do quad $1000+ cards if you REALLY wanted to. I'm just doing a two card build if you were curious. | ||
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Rachnar
France1526 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Certainly water cooling is one of the only ways to get a high-end multi-GPU setup to be moderate in volume at load. If it's about performance, a slight overclocking edge is probably not at all worth the money and effort required. For benchmarks, you'd be outdone by subzero cooling anyway; an arbitrary water-cooling only category is not that much different than air-cooling only IMHO, but I don't really follow these things. If you're out to do something involved for the sake of doing something involved rather than just as a means to an ends, modding a smaller case or better planning / layout may be more interesting or rewarding than stuffing a rad or two in a Cosmos II. Similar for bragging rights. CPU + 2 GPU shouldn't require radiators out of the ordinary. It's not like you'd need a 480 and extra 240 radiators put together, or something even more than that. | ||
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Coil1
128 Posts
Is the second just plain better and is therefore more expensive? | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
For most people, the second one is not worth the extra money. You said you weren't overclocking earlier, so go with the i5-3470. | ||
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-bambi-
Canada11 Posts
My parents' computer recently died, so they are looking to get a new one right away. This computer would be used a lot, but not for anything incredibly graphics intensive. I've built a PC before so I have a general idea of what I need, but I'm not completely sure what's necessary and would like the price to be as low as possible. Answers to question in the OP are: -Budget: $600-800 -Resolution: 1080p -Usage: Family computer, not much gaming at all. Some video editing/transcoding -Upgrade Cycle: Fairly long, 4 years? -Building it ASAP -Overclocking if budget allows it -Already have OS -No SLI -Buying parts from NCIX I'd really like to include an SSD if possible. My current PC has one and it makes a world of difference. As mentioned above, the only CPU or graphics intensive thing being done would be video editing. Right now I'm mainly debating between an i3 and i5. I imagine the i5 is significantly better for video editing/transcoding but I'm not sure how much. Any suggestions/help would be great! | ||
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SoulWager
United States464 Posts
On January 24 2013 10:22 -bambi- wrote: Here's a matx build, I didn't include a video card because integrated graphics sounds powerful enough for what you're doing, but if you want to game on it you can add one later. Hey Everyone, My parents' computer recently died, so they are looking to get a new one right away. This computer would be used a lot, but not for anything incredibly graphics intensive. I've built a PC before so I have a general idea of what I need, but I'm not completely sure what's necessary and would like the price to be as low as possible. Answers to question in the OP are: -Budget: $600-800 -Resolution: 1080p -Usage: Family computer, not much gaming at all. Some video editing/transcoding -Upgrade Cycle: Fairly long, 4 years? -Building it ASAP -Overclocking if budget allows it -Already have OS -No SLI -Buying parts from NCIX I'd really like to include an SSD if possible. My current PC has one and it makes a world of difference. As mentioned above, the only CPU or graphics intensive thing being done would be video editing. Right now I'm mainly debating between an i3 and i5. I imagine the i5 is significantly better for video editing/transcoding but I'm not sure how much. Any suggestions/help would be great! PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter) CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.98 @ Amazon) Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Pro4-M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($109.99 @ Amazon) Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($38.50 @ NCIX US) Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ NCIX US) Storage: Samsung 830 Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($112.98 @ Newegg) Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($39.99 @ NCIX US) Power Supply: Antec 450W ATX12V Power Supply ($30.95 @ NCIX US) Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ Newegg) Total: $628.36 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.) (Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-23 21:32 EST-0500) | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
But anyway, if you really want to go with something like the above, Hyper 212 doesn't fit in a Core 1000. Check out Thermalright Macho 120, Thermalright True Spirit 120M, Cooler Master Hyper T4, etc. Wouldn't be surprised if these are unlisted on pcpartpicker. Also, what's with the price on the Z77 Pro4-M and them always listing MC in-store CPU prices? Also, spending that much, even without a graphics card, and getting Antec VP450. Should be okay, but... | ||
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
On January 24 2013 11:38 SoulWager wrote: Here's a matx build, I didn't include a video card because integrated graphics sounds powerful enough for what you're doing, but if you want to game on it you can add one later. PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter) CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.98 @ Amazon) Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Pro4-M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($109.99 @ Amazon) Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($38.50 @ NCIX US) Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ NCIX US) Storage: Samsung 830 Series 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($112.98 @ Newegg) Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($39.99 @ NCIX US) Power Supply: Antec 450W ATX12V Power Supply ($30.95 @ NCIX US) Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224BB DVD/CD Writer ($15.99 @ Newegg) Total: $628.36 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.) (Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-01-23 21:32 EST-0500) Edit: Ninja'd  Bambi, You mentioned overclocking if budget allows it, but do your parents know enough about computers to overclock? If not, an i5-3570 + B75 motherboard is probably enough. Also, isn't the Z77 Pro3 a better generic choice? A hyper 212+ won't fit in a fractal design core 1000. I believe 92mm fan towers are the max height. Either way, I wouldn't overclock in one; it's a pretty small case (source me; I have one). Plenty of cases have been discussed in the past page though. + Show Spoiler + And a Samsung 840 is cheaper and better than the 830 (which has been discontinued anyways). And get a different power supply I think? I think Antec Neo Eco 400W is 1) better and 2) 30$ with free shipping on newegg (link) and 3) more than enough, especially because there isn't a GPU. Double edit: Oops. You're in canada. I spoilered out my irrelevant advice, although the 840 is still better than an 830, and probably cheaper? The advice is still relevant if you can still find the parts from ncix though I guess. | ||
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SoulWager
United States464 Posts
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
On January 24 2013 12:13 SoulWager wrote: Ooh, i missed that he was in canada, i think pcpartpicker lets you change location. Also, 840 pro > 830 > 840 I don't think the 840 is worse than the 830...? The 840 is the consumer replacement to a consumer 830, the 840 Pro is in a performance category of its own. I mean I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I read skyr saying that a few pages back, plus anandtech's review. Edit: here is Anandtech's review. 840 trades with 830, but if you take out the "heavy workload" thing that I doubt his parents would do anyways, the 840 usually wins, and usually by a larger margin than the 830 wins (I think). Take a look if you'd like. | ||
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CygnusAres
Singapore893 Posts
On January 24 2013 12:02 Alryk wrote: Edit: Ninja'd Bambi, You mentioned overclocking if budget allows it, but do your parents know enough about computers to overclock? If not, an i5-3570 + B75 motherboard is probably enough. Also, isn't the Z77 Pro3 a better generic choice? A hyper 212+ won't fit in a fractal design core 1000. I believe 92mm fan towers are the max height. Either way, I wouldn't overclock in one; it's a pretty small case (source me; I have one). Plenty of cases have been discussed in the past page though. + Show Spoiler + And a Samsung 840 is cheaper and better than the 830 (which has been discontinued anyways). And get a different power supply I think? I think Antec Neo Eco 400W is 1) better and 2) 30$ with free shipping on newegg (link) and 3) more than enough, especially because there isn't a GPU. Double edit: Oops. You're in canada. I spoilered out my irrelevant advice, although the 840 is still better than an 830, and probably cheaper? The advice is still relevant if you can still find the parts from ncix though I guess. Newbie here. Do I need to buy wi-fi adapter for this build? Screened through several pages, but saw none of it in the build suggestion. I'm using fiber optics broadband. | ||
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RiceAgainst
United States1849 Posts
$500-$600 1080p gaming build: NOT JUST SC2! Witcher 2, Crysis 3, etc. Will overclock, though I'll give my PC some time running on stock before OC'ing. i5 3570K $295 *$20 MIR MSI Z77A-G43 $0 (bundle) HD7850 $180 *$20 MIR Antec Earthwatts 430W 80+ Bronze $30 (or similarly priced 80+ PSU) 4GB - 8GB DDR3 RAM ~$30-$40 CM Elite 430 $45 *$10 MIR HDD, Optical Drive, OS taken care of. Total: $575-ish, $620 with tax, -$50 from rebate, $570-ish again. OC'ing stuff I will take care of later one, but I assume Hyper 212+ is good enough? | ||
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